Am I being too harsh? *edited a bit*

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

I can't believe you'd waste money of paper and stamps! Speech is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

 

[xospec1alk]

i think the celebration made quite a sum of money...

is dancer in the dark considered a dogme film? i heard a couple people aruge over that once, but with the music score and all that i guess its not really a dogme film.

anyhoo. italian for beginners did pretty well also i think so two dogme films that did semi-decent...

 

[Jzero]

My understanding of FreedomsBeat's project just from what I have read here is simply a way for a bunch of aspiring film makers and actors to get together and practice. It's not for money, or fame or anything, just experience.

 

[bigalt]

If you changed all the multiple periods to single ones and the v in fvck to a u, I think it's a completely reasonable letter to send out as is.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: pulse8
No one will ever judge you on the process of making a film, but ONLY the final product.

If you're doing it for production experience, work on a professional production. This whole idea of zero-budget filmmaking is silly. It doesn't force you to be creative, it only causes bad production value.

Also, have you heard of El Mariachi, The Blairwitch Project, and Clerks? These three were all mediocre to good movies that were made famous more for the WAY (the process) that they were made than the actual films themselve.. Dogme95, neorealism, cinema verite.. All movements based on the process and not just the finished product..

Pi?

And how much money do the Dogme95 and such movies make? Do you plan on doing this for a living or for fun?

You mention those 4 movies (including Pi) and out of the millions of filmmakers and films in this country that get made there are only a handful that actually make it to that level. Most just live in obscurity. I'm not trying to put you down or say that you can't make it, I just get the impression that your approach is a little unrealistic.

There are always exceptions to every rule, but what you need to seriously ask yourself is if you're one of those exceptions. It's not impossible, but it is a huge longshot and I wish you the best of luck.

My creative output so far? 6 short films in the can, 9 in production in 7 months... Of course, there's a balance to be had...

But it's quality, not quantity and you've said yourself you don't plan on showing those to anyone. I can make 6 films this week if I really wanted to.

Dogmen95 movies have HUGE budget to income ratios.. Pi lead the director to getting to direct Requiem for a Dream - a brilliant movie that was a huge success.. I'm sure he'll move on to much bigger and better projects. My concern as a film maker is not to make millions.. It's to make films.. I'd rather be a Jim Jarmusch than a Steven Spielberg... I see where you're coming from, but I believe that my approach is to deliver quality films for pennies..

Watch a good drama.. How much money is on the screen? NOTHING.. A few grand, if that.. Actors want big bucks, catering costs hundreds of grands, film is expensive, locations cost money.. My idea is to side step all of that.. it's not revolutionary but it's important to me..

 

[slackerinabox]

[QBut it's quality, not quantity and you've said yourself you don't plan on showing those to anyone. I can make 6 films this week if I really wanted to. [/quote]

I'd like to see them.. Post them up - I post my terrible short films (scripts and all) online, can I see yours? As I stated, I'm crawling now and am only in it to learn.. ONCE I have the skills my focus will be on quality and not quantity and many people will see the finished products (i hope )

 

[pulse8]

but I believe that my approach is to deliver quality films for pennies..

Then that's fine. If it's really what you want to do, then go for it and I wish you the best of luck.

I'm just saying that if you want to make a living off of it, that sort of mentality will hinder you.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
[QBut it's quality, not quantity and you've said yourself you don't plan on showing those to anyone. I can make 6 films this week if I really wanted to.

I'd like to see them.. Post them up - I post my terrible short films (scripts and all) online, can I see yours? As I stated, I'm crawling now and am only in it to learn.. ONCE I have the skills my focus will be on quality and not quantity and many people will see the finished products (i hope )[/quote]

I said I could make them, I didn't say they'd be good if I only did them in a week.

I don't normally work on short films, I've mostly been doing music videos, commercials and few promotional pieces. I don't direct, however, I edit them.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: pulse8

but I believe that my approach is to deliver quality films for pennies..

Then that's fine. If it's really what you want to do, then go for it and I wish you the best of luck.

I'm just saying that if you want to make a living off of it, that sort of mentality will hinder you.

Again, you dont' see my point (and I disagree with yours)... Once a suit offers me $100,000,000 to make a movie then, yes, I'll deliver that movie for said price and deliver the best movie for that budget that I can.... Look at lord of the rings, peter jackson practiced making these low budget films and ended up making 3 incredible movies for only $300,000,000... If he was a director like spielberg (an old school hollywood kid who's used to having huge budgets at his disposal) the movies could have cost significantly more...

 

[pulse8]

A promotional video and part of a DVD I did a few months back.

I hope it doesn't kill my bandwidth. It's fairly high quality.

And I see your point, but mine is that those are a handful of guys out of millions of filmmakers.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: pulse8
A promotional video and part of a DVD I did a few months back.

I hope it doesn't kill my bandwidth. It's fairly high quality.

And I see your point, but mine is that those are a handful of guys out of millions of filmmakers.

Well, lots of the established filmmakers in the hollywood system got their gigs due to connections.. Since my last name isn't copolla I have to find my own niche.. Hopefully I'll get the talent to stand apart form the other million filmmakers...

P.S. Nice job editing that - what did you use?

 

[pulse8]

Final Cut Pro

And thanks.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: pulse8
Final Cut Pro

Cool, I'm trying to learn Avid xpress right now but it's not as intuitive as FCP4... Luckily I have an avid geek on hand to help us out... Do you prefer FCP over Avid?

 

[pulse8]

Depends on what I'm cutting. If it's a large project and one that I don't have to do a lot of FX stuff for, then I'll chose Avid any day of the week.

FCP is kind of a jack of all trades, but a master at none. It gets crippled pretty fast if your project gets large. Avid is a different beast, but the concepts are all the same. Just different locations and names for the same buttons.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: pulse8
Depends on what I'm cutting. If it's a large project and one that I don't have to do a lot of FX stuff for, then I'll chose Avid any day of the week.

FCP is kind of a jack of all trades, but a master at none. It gets crippled pretty fast if your project gets large. Avid is a different beast, but the concepts are all the same. Just different locations and names for the same buttons.

I'll lose street cred for this but I really like Vegas Video 4.0... I think it's far more responsive than most other packages.

 

[pulse8]

It's not a bad program, but it's a bit clunky and it's not as bad as Premiere.

Avid is usually my top choice, though. They seem to understand the editing process better than others, but they are just more expensive.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: pulse8
It's not a bad program, but it's a bit clunky and it's not as bad as Premiere.

Avid is usually my top choice, though. They seem to understand the editing process better than others, but they are just more expensive.

What's wrong with Premier? I like it better than Final Cut Pro.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: pulse8
It's not a bad program, but it's a bit clunky and it's not as bad as Premiere.

Avid is usually my top choice, though. They seem to understand the editing process better than others, but they are just more expensive.

What's wrong with Premier? I like it better than Final Cut Pro.

For cutting basic videos or as a nicer virtualdub type program it's fine, but if you ever try to edit anything with a lot of footage Premiere can be a pain in the ass. Not to mention it doesn't spit out good EDLs or audio files for use in Pro Tools.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: pulse8
It's not a bad program, but it's a bit clunky and it's not as bad as Premiere.

Avid is usually my top choice, though. They seem to understand the editing process better than others, but they are just more expensive.

What's wrong with Premier? I like it better than Final Cut Pro.

For once I'll agree with pulse8... Premier is great for small projects.. It's media management is pretty rough though AND it's a bit crash happy ... I use premiere a lot since I don't like havint to boot up my mac for a quick edit.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: pulse8
It's not a bad program, but it's a bit clunky and it's not as bad as Premiere.

Avid is usually my top choice, though. They seem to understand the editing process better than others, but they are just more expensive.

What's wrong with Premier? I like it better than Final Cut Pro.

For once I'll agree with pulse8... Premier is great for small projects.. It's media management is pretty rough though AND it's a bit crash happy ... I use premiere a lot since I don't like havint to boot up my mac for a quick edit.

One thing that bugs me about the Avid Xpress DV software is that it needs to create it's own software. Every other program out there uses the files it gives you, but Avid wants to convert them to OMF files.

Xpress Pro is supposed to change that a bit, I think.