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Dude, can you stop with your anti-AMD stuff that you are always posting. Yes, cross-fire was not great. But I have never heard of anybody (but you) have any BSOD's or crashes. I got my 7950 at launch and it never once crashed. Nor have I (or anybody else that I have seen) had single card stuttering. frame pacing is fine with a single card.

its obvious you hate AMD, but do you have to post the same (almost word for word) text in every single AMD post?

He has/had a legitimate complaint as an eyefinity user. It wasn't properly functioning with the launch drivers.

I think the 7970 is a great product , but for the first 2-3 months AMD made some mistakes. I think the main point to be made here is that for a successful product launch with R-9XXX, AMD cannot do that again.

Really, the proof should be in the fact that the launch beta driver released in Jan 2011 and the later fixed drivers had something like a 20-30% performance difference. That is ridiculous - the launch driver should have been that good out of the gate. The software team was asleep at the wheel for the 7970 launch, and yes I bought two of them at launch. I thought they were great cards. But - the point here - they can't make these mistakes again. Software is equally as important as hardware, and I think AMD understands that fully now. They're aware of this and making great progress in fixing those mistakes. I'm confident they will, in fact, have a good launch this time.
 
I can also point you at a series of articles, its not just me who had these problems, it was recorded in the history of all the technical news sites over 2 years. Mine is an abridged version of history, its not a matter of opinion its a matter of recorded fact.

As long as we're throwing anecdotal evidence out there, my experience with Tahiti has been great. Bought one card on launch day and two more last summer.

Single card was one of the best buys I've made (didn't like the price but Bitcoins helped ease that pain). My first card gamed all day at 1225/1550 on air and 1325/1550 on water. Coming from a pair of unlocked 6950's it offered performance on par in DX9 games and I saw big increases in DX10/DX11 games. No stuttering, BSODs, or major driver issues.

Dual and triple cards worked great for me. There was some stutter in a game or two but a framelimiter fixed that. I also had to take some time figuring out how to overvolt with Crossfire enabled but got it sorted and have no issues now. Again no BSODs or major driver issues.

IMO the Tahiti launch wasn't the best in the world but it certainly wasn't as bad as you're portraying it. The overclockability more than made up for the lack of WHQL drivers for me.
 
For DX11 games, HD 7970 was always a generational jump even at start. BF3 was the one which needed improvement and that came with 12.11 never settle drivers.

Imho.

It was more-so evolutionary and incremental price performance on a substantial and significant node and arch. It did take revisions and mature drivers to see the potential over-all from launch products and drivers!
 
My experience has also been very positive with my 7950. Got it in April last year and its been flawless. Never tried XFire though so can't comment on that.
 
Funny thing is the 6970 provides decent framerates at 1080p for all the games at those high settings. A 7850 which can be had for $160, with a slight overclock can offer the same performance. And we are talking here about the most demanding games up to date.
If a Titan would have been available last year in the shape of a 780 for $500 and the current 780 as the 770 for 350$ then yes but now it's too late and in these two cases, much too expensive. HD9970 will probably bring GK110 - GTX780 level of performance for something between $500 and $600, again too little too late. Until maybe one year from now when truly next gen games developed for the Xbone and PS4 will be available for PC and maybe will require some serious power I can't see a reason to upgrade from 6970/570/580 if one is playing at 1080p. By then Maxwell and whatever Islands AMD will have probably and hopefully will bring truly better performance for an affordable price.
 
I don't even need to read BrightCandle's post to know that he crying about Crossfire in a thread that has nothing to do with Crossfire.

My experience with the 7970 has been great, I mean it gives me good performance for gaming and it OCs pretty well so I can't complain.
 
I don't even need to read BrightCandle's post to know that he crying about Crossfire in a thread that has nothing to do with Crossfire.

My experience with the 7970 has been great, I mean it gives me good performance for gaming and it OCs pretty well so I can't complain.

You must have missed the bit where I talked about stuttering on SINGLE cards and on crashing drivers in the initial release and poor performance up until October. Sure crossfire has been a problem for longer but its not like the drivers for the 7000 series were good enough until relatively recently. When did you get your 7970, was it in the January of release or did you wait 2-3 months and get it more like in April when the drivers had finally settled? By February the stability had improved dramatically but it still had problems with power control and various other different issues but it wasn't crashing in games. When you got the card really changes your perspective on how good it was. I remember when the 680 kicked my 7970's arse totally, which was before they fixed the performance in October. None of this has anything to do with crossfire, it was the quality of the cards drivers.

I also remember having these same arguments back over a year ago where I was pointing at these problems and saying the drivers were kind of flaky and having the same denial. At the time everyone was denying also there was any problem with crossfire and I couldn't believe they had used it and were still thinking that. So far I have been completely vindicated.

I don't get attached to these products, if they release a decent card in the future I will be the fastest card at the cheapest price I don't hold this against AMD and will happily get one of their cards. What I dislike it when people try to rewrite history, a history that I lived and saw reported repeatedly in the technical press. AMDs cards had issues, so did Nvidia's but lets not deny it ever happened because that doesn't get us anyway and it frustrates me how many on these forums do it. The 7970 was a botched release, it had dreadful drivers for about the first 12 months of its release, it had blue screens, it had power management issues, poor performance and a host of other problems including the crossfire issue. I can't say otherwise because I saw them all. I didn't buy a pair of 680's because I like burning money, it was one of the hardest decisions I made, it was very expensive to change but I felt I had no choice as AMD would not fix the bugs I was reporting.

Its funny I now have a bug with my 680's where a second monitor causes severe problems in Windows with performance. Having seen the 7970's have finally been fixed at least partially it is kind of tempted to buy some second hand and see if they really do now work better, because Nvidia isn't fixing a bug that is impacting me quite a lot right now. This is the way I see it, if a product is broken I ask them to fix it and I have to determine how bad the failure is. The 7970 failures early on were really bad and they got in the way so often I largely didn't game for much of that period because it wasn't possible for the games I was playing. So I am glad its fixed and I might very well change cards again soon if AMD releases a good card, but you can be sure I'll wait for the reviews to test it for microstutter and power management issues.
 
You must have missed the bit where I talked about stuttering on SINGLE cards and on crashing drivers in the initial release and poor performance up until October. Sure crossfire has been a problem for longer but its not like the drivers for the 7000 series were good enough until relatively recently. When did you get your 7970, was it in the January of release or did you wait 2-3 months and get it more like in April when the drivers had finally settled? By February the stability had improved dramatically but it still had problems with power control and various other different issues but it wasn't crashing in games. When you got the card really changes your perspective on how good it was. I remember when the 680 kicked my 7970's arse totally, which was before they fixed the performance in October. None of this has anything to do with crossfire, it was the quality of the cards drivers.

I also remember having these same arguments back over a year ago where I was pointing at these problems and saying the drivers were kind of flaky and having the same denial. At the time everyone was denying also there was any problem with crossfire and I couldn't believe they had used it and were still thinking that. So far I have been completely vindicated.

I don't get attached to these products, if they release a decent card in the future I will be the fastest card at the cheapest price I don't hold this against AMD and will happily get one of their cards. What I dislike it when people try to rewrite history, a history that I lived and saw reported repeatedly in the technical press. AMDs cards had issues, so did Nvidia's but lets not deny it ever happened because that doesn't get us anyway and it frustrates me how many on these forums do it. The 7970 was a botched release, it had dreadful drivers for about the first 12 months of its release, it had blue screens, it had power management issues, poor performance and a host of other problems including the crossfire issue. I can't say otherwise because I saw them all. I didn't buy a pair of 680's because I like burning money, it was one of the hardest decisions I made, it was very expensive to change but I felt I had no choice as AMD would not fix the bugs I was reporting.

Its funny I now have a bug with my 680's where a second monitor causes severe problems in Windows with performance. Having seen the 7970's have finally been fixed at least partially it is kind of tempted to buy some second hand and see if they really do now work better, because Nvidia isn't fixing a bug that is impacting me quite a lot right now. This is the way I see it, if a product is broken I ask them to fix it and I have to determine how bad the failure is. The 7970 failures early on were really bad and they got in the way so often I largely didn't game for much of that period because it wasn't possible for the games I was playing. So I am glad its fixed and I might very well change cards again soon if AMD releases a good card, but you can be sure I'll wait for the reviews to test it for microstutter and power management issues.
Funny you should mention that.

I actually got my card in January, I was actually one of the earliest adopters of the 7970. A fellow member, nanaki333, bought 3 7970s and then decided to keep 2 and sell me the other one for $500 shipped which I gladly accepted. I still have his PM he sent me when the card arrived to my house dated 1-19-2012.

So, like I said before I have had this card for a long time and it has never given me a problem and runs everything I have thrown at it without a problem.
 
Funny you should mention that.

I actually got my card in January, I was actually one of the earliest adopters of the 7970. A fellow member, nanaki333, bought 3 7970s and then decided to keep 2 and sell me the other one for $500 shipped which I gladly accepted. I still have his PM he sent me when the card arrived to my house dated 1-19-2012.

So, like I said before I have had this card for a long time and it has never given me a problem and runs everything I have thrown at it without a problem.

Same here. Got my HD7950 in early February of 2012 (They were announced on Jan 29th). Overclocked it the day I got it and its run solid ever since. Never had any stuttering in any game, never BSOD'ed, or anything related to crashing.

And while performance is better today than it was then, it still ran every game I through at it. Which at the time was mostly BF3.
 
I personally have found a pair of 680's to be the first set of cards I've really liked in a long time. I had 5870's, and while I convinced myself I liked them, I was always trying to fix bugs and get the performance I wanted. I had the same problem with 6950's, which lead me to get rid of those for 470's (in part for 3D Vision). The 470's worked well, but the noise levels were very unpleasant. The 680's have been the first set of cards that have good noise levels, and require almost no fiddling to get good performance. 3D Vision has also given me a lot of enjoyment.

While I might like a touch more performance, and if I look at benchmarks, I might feel a little disappointed, the reality is, the cards work with little effort or noise. It had been a long time since I've felt satisfied with a video card setup.
 
Thank you sir. Hope others sitting on 40nm GPUs along the lines of GTX570/6950 unlocked find this info useful in helping them with their future upgrade path. :thumbsup:

I did it in june which you know since you posted in my thread 🙂

and I must say been loving the huge increase in performance.

thanks for taking the time to post this.
 
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7970 at launch was less good, for sure. Not only was there driver optimizations to be made, but the GE added a bunch of clock speed too.

I've been pretty happy with the 20nm AMD card performance. I'm a little lower on the totem pole, with a 7850 OCed to ~match/beat a GTX 580 for way cheaper than it was selling at the time. However, you can't argue with the driver issues. Crossfire issues, microstutter issues, still has Crossfire idle power issues. The older AMD drivers had flash hardware acceleration issues for like a year or so... I have to admit that AMD has had more than it's share of issues with the software side.

I may need a sidegrade card so I can hand down a card for a new build and the "little things" are starting to nag at me, and I'm pretty sure I'll try a comparable nVidia card this time around (last nVidia card owned was 7850GT)
 
You must have missed the bit where I talked about stuttering on SINGLE cards and on crashing drivers in the initial release and poor performance up until October.

Because 99% of gamers never had issues you had. I bought my card way early in 2012 and I had 0 BSOD and no driver crashes that's the card's fault. The only time I had driver recovery in the Start Bar, which is how AMD now resets the driver from a bad overclock, is when I pushed my card to 1250mhz+.

Regarding the stuttering, you again keep using selective memory. When HD7970GE came out, it beat after-market pre-overclocked GTX680s in frame rate times delivery. That was June 22, 2012.

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At TPU, 7970GE was already faster than GTX680 as of June too:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/28.html

Your claim that HD7970 had poor performance for nearly 1 year up to October is bullocks when HD7970GE beat GTX680 as of June 22nd on most review sites and continued to have that lead. The stuttering was actually in very few games, while 90% of games exhibited no such issues. The key game that left 25%+ performance on the table was BF3 and that was fixed around November. Everyone was aware of that.

If you want to roll that way, you ignored all the games that used DirectCompute where GTX680 got destroyed, when Shogun 2 performance on GTX680 was very poor for months after it launched and when NV's cards exhibited issues in Shogun 2 until late 2012, when it took NV until end of October 2012 to fix LOD IQ issues when you enabled SSAA on their cards. While Skyrim stuttered on HD7970 at times, NV's IQ in Skyrim was horrendous with SSAA, while with ENB graphical mods, GTX680 trailed 20-28% to 7970GE in Skyrim! NV only fixed Skyrim performance for 680 early this year. I heard none of that from you while you brought up everything under the sun for HD7970 series. You made it sound as if your 680s were nearly flawless in IQ and performance. Why is that?

Your comment on poor DX9 performance with HD7970 is also out of thin air. What DX9 games had awful performance on 7970 exactly? Why don't we look at DX9 games performance to see if your claims are valid:

Payday 2 - HD7970GE is 26% faster than GTX680
Divinity Dragon Commander - HD7970GE is 24% faster than GTX680
Castlevania: LoS - HD7970GE is 10% faster than 680
HL Black Mesa DX9 mod - HD7970GE is 29% faster than GTX680

DX9 games is where 7970GE is beating 680 even more than in DX11 games.....

The interesting part is this review has nothing to do with Cross-fire performance and it compares the generational leap someone would experience from a GTX480/570/6950 unlocked/6970 if they stepped up to GTX770/7970GE in recent months with up-to-date drivers. Instead of focusing on today's excellent performance of 28nm chips from both camps, you derailed the thread into problems HD7970 had 1.5 years ago to justify why your 680s are better. No one denies that GTX680 SLI > HD7970GE CF and it was the better choice all these months. We are talking about single GPU performance in this thread and for most of 2012 and for all of 2013, HD7970GE beat out GTX680 and it now matches with GTX770 for a fraction of the cost. Everyone is aware that HD7970 had a poor launch for the first 3 months that required driver releases and driver updates and price drops. However as of June 2012, the card was rock solid in most games. Unless all you did was play SKYRIM or Borderlands 2, then sure, you were probably very unhappy but you said you sold your cards way before BL2 came out. So in which games you had stutter exactly?
 
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Only issue I've had with single card 7950 was the driver revision that caused snowy artifacting in some games with AA. I'm still wary of crossfire though even with the recent beta driver. I will want to see how crossfire does in the first wave of next gen console games before considering a second 7950.

As for single card stuttering, if it was truly an issue for most people why did we not hear complaints prior to this generation of cards?

Also, why would we expect a reset in driver quality with the 9000 series? It's not a new architecture like launch Fermi and launch GCN.
 
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You must have missed the bit where I talked about stuttering on SINGLE cards and on crashing drivers in the initial release and poor performance up until October.

Performance was fine in the games I played and I didn't experience any stuttering with my 7950. 😕

But then I've never personally experienced any single card stuttering either with ATI nor nVidia, at least none that I noticed. So maybe I'm just not sensitive enough to it.
 
I also got my 7970 at launch and never experienced a single BSOD, stutter issue or anything else, despite installing effectively all drivers to have come out since then (including Betas). To be sure, the improvements to frames/second that came with driver updates over the course of 2012 were WELCOME - especially when it put the 7970 back on par with the 680 - but this is NOT the same thing as saying that the 7970's performance at launch was in any way disappointing or problematic (for me)

EDIT: I will also say that I frequent a number of internet fora and have seen plenty of reports by other 7xxx owners who had problems. In many, many MANY cases the reaction of these people and others on said forums was to curse "those horrible ATI (sic) drivers)," and in MANY of those cases the issue in question turned out to be HARDWARE-related rather than driver related. I.e., people got a defective card and eventually got an RMA, but only after wasting weeks and even months trying to solve the problem through software...and all because of the lingering stigma about ATI/AMD drivers.
 
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It is funny how the massive increase from 6970 to 7970 is a surprise to people. For those who have paid attention, there have been several unusually large driver improvements since the 7970 was launched and it makes perfect sense that this is where we're at right now.

However, hardware sites tend to never go back and do thorough reviews later on, or at least never advertise it. This is even despite the fact that a review 2 or 6 or 12 months into a product's lifetime is a LOT more useful and accurate than the reviews conduced before the NDA lifts with beta drivers.
 
However, hardware sites tend to never go back and do thorough reviews later on, or at least never advertise it. This is even despite the fact that a review 2 or 6 or 12 months into a product's lifetime is a LOT more useful and accurate than the reviews conduced before the NDA lifts with beta drivers.

Good point. It's a huge disservice to the gaming community when we know GPU nodes now last 2 years and review sites do not review cards every 6 months on modern drivers. For example on AT Test Bench, they had the same scores for more than a year before updating them. As a result, almost all comparisons between AMD GCN and Kepler parts were irrelevant. The other major omission this generation at AT was that they tested almost no after-market 7950/7970 cards but plenty of other sites like HWC, TPU, Xbitlabs did. As a result, we got extremely biased comparisons of after-market NV cards going against reference 7950/7970 cards for more than 12 months.

This is why I like sites like GameGPU and PCGamesHardware and Computerbase. They constantly test new games and update their benches with new drivers.
 
Good point. It's a huge disservice to the gaming community when we know GPU nodes now last 2 years and review sites do not review cards every 6 months on modern drivers. For example on AT Test Bench, they had the same scores for more than a year before updating them. As a result, almost all comparisons between AMD GCN and Kepler parts were irrelevant. The other major omission this generation at AT was that they tested almost no after-market 7950/7970 cards but plenty of other sites like HWC, TPU, Xbitlabs did. As a result, we got extremely biased comparisons of after-market NV cards going against reference 7950/7970 cards for more than 12 months.

This is why I like sites like GameGPU and PCGamesHardware and Computerbase. They constantly test new games and update their benches with new drivers.

Honestly, I blame AMD's marketing division for the lack of reviews. How many GTX-7** reviews have been published? Heaps and heaps... Getting new cards out to the media partners is very important. It's so cheap too. Send out 10 cards around to the sites to keep your name on the front page. Costs less than an advertisement in a local newspaper.
 
The other issue is that, EVEN when review sites come back to cards after 6-12 months of driver improvement, that card is very often not the focus.

Illustrative example: A site reviews the 780. The 780 is the focus and so includes numbers of that card overclocked. Even though it compares the card to the 7970 on latest Catalyst drivers, the 7970 is not the focus of the review and so is not also overclocked like it was back in early 2012 when the 7970 was the focus of reviews.

(this is not always the case, to be sure, but tends to be given that reviewers have limited amounts of time)
 
When we go back to the orignal Anandtech review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review) we can see the 7970 was only really about 28% faster on average than the 6970, it peaked around 45% but there were cases where it was as low as 18% faster than the previous generation. To quote Ryan:

At the same time the 7970 is not the 5870. The 5870 relative to both NVIDIA and AMD’s previous generation video cards was faster on a percentage basis. It was more clearly a next-generation card, and DX11 only helped to seal the deal. Meanwhile if you look at straight averages the 7970 is only around 15-25% faster than the GTX 580 in our tests, with its advantage being highly game dependent. It always wins at 2560 and 1920, but there are some cases where it’s not much of a win. The 7970’s domination of the 6970 is more absolute, but then again the 6970 is a good $200 cheaper at this point in time.

Then along comes the GeForce 680 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review). Again quote Ryan:

To that extent this is a very different launch – the GTX 680 is faster, less power hungry, and quieter than the Radeon HD 7970. NVIDIA has landed the technical trifecta, and to top it off they’ve priced it comfortably below the competition.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think ultimately we still haven’t moved very far on the price/performance curve compared to where we’ve gone in past generations, and on that basis this is one of the smaller generational jumps we've seen for a GTX x80 product....

By the time the 690 was released (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/...-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast) its May and the 7970 drivers are now in a much better state, its competing with the 680 and trading blows.

Then we have the 12.10 drivers that starts a 3 month period of beta testing for that release and its performance enhancements. Eventually AMD gets the 13.1 driver out but techreport finds a problem when reviewing a 7950 on the 11th December (http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8). It starts a chain of events that has AMD fixing its drivers and the 12.1 drivers do repair the problem. AMD admits the fault (statements on techreport) and then FCAT happens.

So I do consider its been a rocky release road from a performance standpoint for the 7970, throughout that first year it didn't look good at various moments. At every point a driver fix was all that was necessary to get it working properly, the hardware was always fundamentally good. Now the card looks like a good generational jump, on release it wasn't all that impressive, performance wise. I think it is important to do these roundups where we compare performance because in reality these cards sometimes gain a lot of performance over their lifetime as optimisations happen or bugs are fixed.

Here is a link to the 12.1 release notes from AMDs driver team http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion121.aspx and some choice bug fixes are:

Enemy Territory – Quake Ware - intermittent crashes when in a 3 monitor Eyefinity configuration.
Dirt 2 - stuttering when run in DirectX® 9 mode
Crysis 2 in Crossfire mode- random graphics corruption and game instability
Lost Planet 2 in Crossfire mode - crashes after game launch
Lost Planet 2 and Tom Clancy HAWX2 - random game hangs/black screens when run at high in game settings
“Rage” in Crossfire mode - intermittent hangs.

Then in the known issues:
Civilization V may experience random game crashes.
Call of Duty – Black Ops may experience a crash when run in Crossfire mode.
Battlefield 3 may crash when run at ultra settings.
Launching Rage with Crossfire enabled may cause the application to hang.
Random flickering may be observed while playing Battlefield- Bad Company 2. (this one really bugged me at the time)
Saints Row III may hang randomly during gameplay.

Even AMD was saying they both fixed and still had a lot of crashing bugs. This unfortunately wasn't the full extent, there were others that they weren't accepting, I am sure if you go through the anandtech forums at the time you'll find plenty of crashing reports, you can see it on the techreport as it lists out the new driver releases right the way through January, people are reporting in the comments crashing.

I am not trying to derail the thread, I am trying to say the card has come a long way and that now it is a generational jump, but it wasn't on release for a variety of reasons, and it took nearly a year for it to reach most of its potential and nearly 20 months to reach some of its potential in crossfire. It went from not recommended to the best option for single cards in that period, and I suspect in the next few months it will be the recommendation again for crossfire once they fix DX9 support and eyefinity. But please lets not continue to deny the existence of early issues where actually it wasn't the product it is today, it came a very long way.
 
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When we go back to the orignal Anandtech review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review) we can see the 7970 was only really about 28% faster on average than the 6970, it peaked around 45% but there were cases where it was as low as 18% faster than the previous generation.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/49646-amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review-25.html

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970/10/

HD 7970 was roughly 35 - 40% faster on average over HD 6970. HD 7970 had 200 - 250 mhz of average OC headroom and HD 6970 had 75 Mhz of avg OC headroom. HD 6970 scaled poorly so the perf gap at average OC was closer to 50 - 55%. at max OC it was closer to 65 - 70%. the 6970 used to top out at 1 Ghz and the 7970 at 1.3 Ghz.

so people who claim that HD 7970 was not a significant jump at launch are just kidding. With improved drivers HD 7970 Ghz took the GPU crown and today matches a stock GTX 770. Moreover the perf gap in DX11 games was always big wrt HD 6970 to HD 7970. the only DX11 game which needed a push was BF3 which came in Oct with 12.11 never settle drivers.

The problem for AMD was Nvidia won the first round of reviews and that made a huge first impression and sales impact. The momentun was too big for AMD to overcome. AMD just could not recover as most users looked at the old reviews and thought GTX 680 was still faster, which was not true.
 
This is why I like sites like GameGPU and PCGamesHardware and Computerbase. They constantly test new games and update their benches with new drivers.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-im-test/4/

HD 7970 49 percent faster than a HD 6970 1080p with x 4 AA

HD 7970 33 percent faster than a HD 6970 1080p with x 8 AA

HD 7970 initial drivers:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970/10/

HD 7970 36 percent faster than a HD 6970 1080p with x 4 AA

HD 7970 26 percent faster than a HD 6970 1080p with x8 AA
 

Yup, that's why if you notice I keep linking to newer reviews when I can for both camps. The point of this thread was not to revisit how HD7970 performed at launch but how it 680/770/7970GE perform now relative to last gen high end card like 6970. I see that this thread has completely gotten derailed into broken CF, stuttering and driver issues from years ago that have nothing to do with performance of these cards today.

It's even more amusing hen BrightCandle brings out DX9 performance from 1.5 years ago when HD7970GE beats GTX770 in the last 5 major DX9 games that have been tested on GameGPU, including the latest Bureau XCOM Declassified.

If he was so unhappy about 7970 series DX9 performance then, why is he not bitching about piss poor DX9 performance of 680/770 now? It's not as if NV doesn't release regular drivers that improve performance in games or fix issues. Both companies do it which shows that they strive to improve performance for us gamers. The double standard is he universally only points out issues with AMD cards and never admits that NV cards have performance, stuttering or driver related issues.

Again, I could sit here and point you to a ComputerBase review where a reference 780 is only 16-17% faster on launch against a 7970GE. The point of this thread is not to make 7970GE's performance larger than it is. It reflects current performance of all the cards in question, including an after-market 780 card.

Out of all the people you should have also noticed the 7970 card in the review is a 1050mhz version not a 925mhz one. Therefore, bringing out benchmarks of 7970 in reference to the Alt+Esc review is completely irrelevant.
 
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Yup, that's why if you notice I keep linking to newer reviews when I can for both camps. The point of this thread was not to revisit how HD7970 performed at launch but how it 680/770/7970GE perform now relative to last gen high end card like 6970. I see that this thread has completely gotten derailed into broken CF, stuttering and driver issues from years ago that have nothing to do with performance of these cards today.

Your stated point (1) is about the generational jump and how it was claimed this generation was lacklustre. I think I have made clear why that point of view existed, because for quite a while it was true and it was mentioned in reviews on prominent sites. Its not a derail its a direct discussion of the point you made.
 
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