Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Okay? You buy Oriental Rugs, Oriental Art and people come from ASIA~~~!!~~!~!~~! The Orient refers to things not a place!!! If you are of ASIAN decent from ASIA, then you are ASIAN. The idea that you can refer to yourself as oriental boggless my mind.. GAHHH!!!
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
then by all means, do so. what's stopping you?Originally posted by: SampSon
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
The race card is a moot point.
Ok, so what is the problem then?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
then by all means, do so. what's stopping you?Originally posted by: SampSon
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
The race card is a moot point.
as for the race card, i agree it's used unnecessarily often but sometimes there's just no denying the fact that alot of people will always have a problem with race.
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
You guys just dont understand it! Of course it refers to the People and the Countries, but you aren't from the ORIENT. Its like saying "Hi, i'm Western Hemispherean"
Which would be correct, no?
It would be correct, but you look like a moron by saying so. It seems that it would be more appropriate to say, I'm North American, or American, etc.
problem is, some people just can't accept changes.Originally posted by: SampSon
Ok, so what is the problem then?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
then by all means, do so. what's stopping you?Originally posted by: SampSon
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
The race card is a moot point.
as for the race card, i agree it's used unnecessarily often but sometimes there's just no denying the fact that alot of people will always have a problem with race.
What are the changes? Racism has always existed, and will always exist.Originally posted by: sleepmachine
problem is, some people just can't accept changes.Originally posted by: SampSon
Ok, so what is the problem then?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
then by all means, do so. what's stopping you?Originally posted by: SampSon
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
The race card is a moot point.
as for the race card, i agree it's used unnecessarily often but sometimes there's just no denying the fact that alot of people will always have a problem with race.
i always saw changes in the terms representing a culture moving on and making strides in becoming socially accepted by the general public. moving from oriental to asian or asian american helps people rid the perpetual foreigner tag and just be part of the population.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
Because they do it over and over and over and eventually, you run out of words... and the respect of common folks.
Look at the amount of ridicule the term "African-American" gets.
How many words are Asians going to go through before they reach that point? Who knows. The point is, words can only hurt you if you let them.
that doesn't mean we shouldn't give up fighting against it.Originally posted by: SampSon
What are the changes? Racism has always existed, and will always exist.Originally posted by: sleepmachine
problem is, some people just can't accept changes.Originally posted by: SampSon
Ok, so what is the problem then?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
then by all means, do so. what's stopping you?Originally posted by: SampSon
What if I want to separate myself from the negative connotations of any derogatory words?Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
The race card is a moot point.
as for the race card, i agree it's used unnecessarily often but sometimes there's just no denying the fact that alot of people will always have a problem with race.
That's right, you should fight against it. Trying to get people to stop using a word IS NOT FIGHTING AGAINST RACISM. Instead it probably furthers racism by creating more ammo of words that will offend the opposite group. No if you want to fight racism, education and experiences are the keys.Originally posted by: sleepmachine
that doesn't mean we shouldn't give up fighting against it.
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
i always saw changes in the terms representing a culture moving on and making strides in becoming socially accepted by the general public. moving from oriental to asian or asian american helps people rid the perpetual foreigner tag and just be part of the population.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
If people want to separate themselves from a term with negative connotations and derogatory meanings, why is it so hard to respect that?Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Calling someone oriental is like calling someone a great person. The word oriental is associated with many of the old stereotypes found in america's perception of asians in the late 19th-mid 20th century.
Crap.
The n word was bad, so people used negro. That was bad so we switched to colored. Then that was negative, so we switched to black. Now that's bad and we switched to afro-american... but wait, that's bad to so only african-american will do.
Allowing your perception of words to be set by the TINY minority who will use whatever word you choose in an negative manner will only mean you'll sooner or later run out of words.
Because they do it over and over and over and eventually, you run out of words... and the respect of common folks.
Look at the amount of ridicule the term "African-American" gets.
How many words are Asians going to go through before they reach that point? Who knows. The point is, words can only hurt you if you let them.
Educating people about what a word means, its connotations in history, and understanding why people move on from it helps.Originally posted by: dullard
That's right, you should fight against it. Trying to get people to stop using a word IS NOT FIGHTING AGAINST RACISM. Instead it probably furthers racism by creating more ammo of words that will offend the opposite group. No if you want to fight racism, education and experiences are the keys.Originally posted by: sleepmachine
that doesn't mean we shouldn't give up fighting against it.