All you PC Gaming Pessimists can go sh0ve it.

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Dman877
What's really funny is people spending 600$ on a 7800GTX to play games, to me anyway.

You could spend $100 on an ATI 9600XT and play games just the same as the 7800GTX. No one said you need a high end card to play.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: minofifa

Originally posted by: albumleaf

Originally posted by: Ryan711
uhh you guys will eat up anything in favor of pc's being more powerful without even thinking about it. There are many things that prove that this article is garbage, but I will only list one. The x360 will emulate xbox games, do you know how much cpu power that will require. Do you know any pc that will perfectly emulate xbox, or for even that matter ps2 games. No, because you can't. Just think about that for a little while, how would a cpu that is only twice as powerful as a celeron733 emulate an xbox game, Hell who needs to buy a modded xbox to play xbox backups when I can play them on my p3 1.4Ghz machine. Right....Right....pathetic.

Right.. and we're going to listen to the uninformed ramblings of a twelve year old who really, really ought to revisit grade school to learn english properly. Get used to the fact that consoles will ALWAYS be less powerful than the PC. Even now the xbox only has to render at 320x240 on most tvs, or now 640x480 which is simply paltry. My years old tnt 2 could render any xbox game at those resolution seamlessly, not to mention how modern videocards would rip apart any Xbox 360 game.

Finally, try playing an RTS or a FPS properly on a console... not going to happen. I'll give you my rig for free when I see the (random FPS/RTS of the week) world champion (if there was such a thing) using a game controller instead of a keyboard/mouse.

I could go on, but unlike work-ineligible minors like yourself, I have work tomorrow. I imagine this is rather irrelevant as your mommy has already tucked you into bed.

your arguement is a mouse and keyboard?

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/xbox/

 

[mettleh3d]

PC games are way too easily hacked/cracked. Piraters work nonstop to get the newest games and crack them (assuming the demographic doesnt care for a multiplayer experience, and the single is good; case in point: GTA games)
Pc games are vulnerable while consoles are harder to pirate with.

 

[Sonikku]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I can't stand the idea of just throwing a box on top of my TV and using it to game for 5 years. My computer isn't just a gaming system, it's an ongoing project.

With ongoing expenses no doubt. How much would you say you invest over the course of 5 years on that PC?

I'm not really sure where everyone is being told that PC's are obsolete, but it's a little ridiculous. Consoles AND PC's have their place in gaming. Deal with it. You would have to be a fool to think consoles would be superior to the technology going into a PC with the cost of an entire Next Gen console is 300$, yet many claim you should spend $300 on a quality video card alone. (IE X800XL or what not...) There are even those willing to spend twice the entire cost of an Xbox 360 on just their video card. (Nividia 7800 for instance) I've been building a gaming PC for myself and it's taking me about $1000 just to get a system playing the games out right now in decent quality settings.

All that for a PC that is going to be outdated in two years. 🙁 Let's face it. The majority of PC gamers don't just pay a one time cost for their PC and never touch the interal parts again for 5 or so years before paying for upgrades. I love PC's for the edge in graphics over consoles. I think it's great to have if you can afford it. It just isn't for everyone. (as game sales have proven) Why can't we just accept that both platforms have their place in this market?

The 360 certainly won't be a PC killer, but I still think it offers a pretty good value for 299$ (you could probably spend $220 alone on a copy of Windows XP P. Edition) All 360 games for instace must support 720p (1280x720) High Definition as a bare minimum. Many other titles both now and next year when the PS3 is released with offer 1080i and 1080p. (1920x1080) It won't make Next gen games look better then PC's, but it does at least offset the terrible disadvantages consoles have had with only ever being in 640x480 or less when most PC games are running in 1024x768 alone. (and high end games even running in 1600x1200) It's a welcome addition, indeed.

Microsoft will also now be including a basic online gaming component with the 360 that will take the Xbox Live concept to a new level. It won't beat the great online gaming community that PC's enjoy, but it's a nice cheap alternative. One would have to be a fool to take consoles are more powerful the PCs. I wish I knew where that statement came from as it's not the slightest big logical. But looking at what consoles can provide a gamer that doesn't enjoy spending hundreads of dollars a year keeping his PC up to date, they are a nice alternative.

What's that you say? You have all the money and technical skills to get everything out of a PC? Well that's great. No one is holding a guy to your head, forcing you to buy a console. But I do at least ask you all to accept the console as a option that works better for some people then PC's.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: mettleh3d
PC games are way too easily hacked/cracked. Piraters work nonstop to get the newest games and crack them (assuming the demographic doesnt care for a multiplayer experience, and the single is good; case in point: GTA games)
Pc games are vulnerable while consoles are harder to pirate with.

Isn't that an advantage? 😉

 

[Sonikku]

It is if you intend to cheat developers out of their money. 😀

 

[kitkat22]

The article makes you rethink where Nintendo stands in the whole picture. I recall many others touting the demise of the Revolution based the processors placed in them. Turns out the revolution should hold it's own against Xbox and Playstation.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I need to frame this discussion and display your ignorance real quick-

Oh while you're at it, take the actual legendary FPS's, like Doom, Heretic, Duke Nukem, all PC-only titles.

Doom on the N64
Doom on the Playstation
Doom on the Sega Saturn
Doom on the Super Nintendo
How about Doom on the GameBoyAdvance!

All of the Duke Nukem ports. I won't bother listing them all out again, but Duke even made it to the GameBoyColor

Let's see, vastly improved graphics

Higher resolution graphics- what else exactly? As I stated, please be explicit. I own them all for both PC and the consoles(have GTA3 and VC for the XBox/PS2 and PC).

And again, lack of popularity certainly doesn't translate to "sucking at handling genres." Take Half-Life for example. Take Far Cry.

I'm wondering if your post is meant to be comical with comments like this- how are FarCry and HL not in the exact same genre as all the other games you are talking about?

And yet with all this money all they can come up with is titles derivative of already-existing PC games. Ah, well.

Have you ever seen a console? What exactly is God of War derivative of in the PC space...?

 

[Aisengard]

What are you even trying to say here, Ben?

I said Doom and Heretic are PC-only titles because that's primarily what they're played on, and what they're thought of as. The "ports" to the consoles were so terrible, and did so terrible on the market, that they may as well be PC-only titles. The only real way to play those games is on the PC. And by god if they aren't better than any FPS on a console I've played.

Half Life and Far Cry have not sold as many copies as the Madden genre, that's probably true. Console sales far outweigh PC game sales. But sales do not denote quality. Half Life and Far Cry are far and away better than any FPS on any console, save maybe Halo, but that is played mostly for its multiplayer properties anyway. Consoles may be funner in multiplayer, but that's all they're really good for today. Legendary consoles like the NES, SNES, Genesis, even N64, were all excellent for the titles they provided. That is what consoles should be. Now, they're just trying to get closer and closer to their PC counterparts. Which is really too bad.

Face it - consoles are simply very proprietary dumbed-down versions of PCs. Morrowind on the XBox may have sold more than the PC version, but the PC version was far better than what the XBox could ever offer. Same with something like Serious Sam. I would like to own an N64, or an SNES, but all these "next-gen" consoles can suck it. I already have a computer, why do I need another, far more proprietary one? Consoles have their place in the world with Mario and Sonic and Metroid. They are leaving when they try and take on PC games into their interface, and pretty soon will become ubiquitous. You may think that's a good thing, but trust me, once that happens, consoles will have lost it. Most innovation remains on the PC, and seeing how things are going today, that's where it will stay.

 

[Oyeve]

I have Doom for the 3DO. 🙂

 

[Continuity27]

Originally posted by: mettleh3d
PC games are way too easily hacked/cracked. Piraters work nonstop to get the newest games and crack them (assuming the demographic doesnt care for a multiplayer experience, and the single is good; case in point: GTA games)
Pc games are vulnerable while consoles are harder to pirate with.

Harder, but still incredibly easy.

 

[JDCentral]

Originally posted by: AwesomeJay
the best thing with consoles is sitting on the couch with some buddies playing 4 - 8 player sports games on the 52" widescreen tv.

Agreed.

Except for, of course... 8-16 buddies all sitting around playing Counter Strike 🙂

 

[JDCentral]

Actually - aren't console games EASIER to crack?

I mean... just get a mod-chip and burn the game, and it works.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: mettleh3d
PC games are way too easily hacked/cracked. Piraters work nonstop to get the newest games and crack them (assuming the demographic doesnt care for a multiplayer experience, and the single is good; case in point: GTA games)
Pc games are vulnerable while consoles are harder to pirate with.

Current XBOX games aren't hard for people to pirate..

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Sonikku

With ongoing expenses no doubt. How much would you say you invest over the course of 5 years on that PC?

More than I'd like to think about at the moment but I do believe it's worth it.

Ahh, you're probably right though. I'm sure that despite my strong words of opposition, I'll be diverting some of my PC cash to a next gen console eventually.

 

[mwmorph]

look im going to throw out an analogy.

PCs and Consloes are like a Porsche GT Carerra and a Toyota Carolla.
Both will do what you need it to do, but PCs are obviously, like the Porsche, for power users that demand all the latese and greatest(higher resolutions[We reached 720p like resolutions long ago], better sound(EAX, A3D), Better customisability(have you ever tried to define a custom control layout on the console?), etc). While the consoles will do the basics of what you need it to do.

Now if you are happy with a console, fine, but there will always be a market of us that are willing to pay a premium to play with better gfx/sound/more settings. There will always be a market for the sports cars/high powered rifles/luxury goods just like there will always be a market for PC games.

 

[piasabird]

The problem is that many gaming console manufacturers do not let you store games on a hard drive. They make their hardware from the point of mistrust. They consider all gamers to be criminals.

I have gaming consoles and really like them (PS2/XBox). I like computers also.

 

[Lucius]

Oh while you're at it, take the actual legendary FPS's, like Doom, Heretic, Duke Nukem, all PC-only titles. Oh, did I burst your popularity bubble?

Every single one of those games were released with multiple versions on different consoles. Good try though.

Anyway, I'm not trying to debate anything here, nor is it likely I will read this thread again.

It just seems to me there are too many PC or Console Fanboys being stupid here. Yes the PCs are almost going to have more power. Everyone knows that. However for the average gamer its easier to spend $300-400 on a system, controllers, etc. then $1000+ on a computer. Not to mention you throw a console game in and it works, right off the bat, the way it should. There is fiddling to be done with PC games.

I'm not on either side. I like gaming on both consoles and PCs. They both have pros and cons.

In the end it's about the games. That's why PS1 and PS2 are more popular than their competition despite having inferior hardware. There are just more and/or better games on those systems than n64/xbox/gamecube have.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Aisendgard-

I said Doom and Heretic are PC-only titles because that's primarily what they're played on, and what they're thought of as.

So what you have been trying to say all along is that PC gaming sucks and consoles are going to kill them off? Don't say something that is completely the opposite of what you are trying to say and you may avoid confusion. BTW- The PC version of Doom was far from a runaway sales success- I would wager that the consoles outsold the full version of Doom on the PC by a decent margin. Heretic wasn't even marginal in sales,

But sales do not denote quality. Half Life and Far Cry are far and away better than any FPS on any console, save maybe Halo, but that is played mostly for its multiplayer properties anyway.

If you are talking about the original HL then I can agree it is better then any of the console FPSs(the console ports of it sucked)- but HL2 was a rather sad joke in comparison to the original. Both it and FarCry are headed to the consoles also.

Now, they're just trying to get closer and closer to their PC counterparts.

How do you figure that? They aren't trying to limit themselves to a couple genres nor are they trying to significantly reduce sales for their platforms either.

Morrowind on the XBox may have sold more than the PC version, but the PC version was far better than what the XBox could ever offer.

Bethesda was utterly inept of their porting of Morrowind to the XBox. If it wasn't for the fact that the game would hard lock the console every few minutes under certain circumstances(like whenever you travel to Vivec later in the game) the overall gaming experience was quite comparable. I own and have played through both multiple times.

Consoles have their place in the world with Mario and Sonic and Metroid.

And GranTurisimo, Forza, ResidentEvil, MetalGearSolid, Final Fantasy, Madden, DevilMayCry and hundreds of other titles that will NEVER appear on the PC(in terms of their current versions).

If you were into gaming in general and not just a single genre you would realize that PCs are very far behind consoles where it counts the most- games. They dominate two genres(only one of which you seem to bring up) and are dominated in all others.

Most innovation remains on the PC,

Name some. Name some innovations in gaming on the PC in the last say five years to keep it to the current generation.

better sound(EAX, A3D)

EAX and A3D both suck compared to real time DolbyDigital and DTS. PCs come up well short on the sound end(mainly due to CreativeLabs holding down the industry).

Now if you are happy with a console, fine, but there will always be a market of us that are willing to pay a premium to play with better gfx/sound/more settings.

If you care that much about PC gaming why are you running a POS 17" LCD for your gaming rig? A GF2Ultra....? I haven't run anything that slow in several years. It's nice that you can talk the talk- unlike you it appears that I actually do spend quite a bit more on PC gaming hardware then consoles and I don't make the kind of staggering compromises you do in terms of gaming on my PC(a freakin LCD for gaming... you should pick yourself up a 2070/2141 and dump that crap).

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
look im going to throw out an analogy.

PCs and Consloes are like a Porsche GT Carerra and a Toyota Carolla.
Both will do what you need it to do, but PCs are obviously, like the Porsche, for power users that demand all the latese and greatest(higher resolutions[We reached 720p like resolutions long ago], better sound(EAX, A3D), Better customisability(have you ever tried to define a custom control layout on the console?), etc). While the consoles will do the basics of what you need it to do.

Now if you are happy with a console, fine, but there will always be a market of us that are willing to pay a premium to play with better gfx/sound/more settings. There will always be a market for the sports cars/high powered rifles/luxury goods just like there will always be a market for PC games.

:thumbsup:good anaolgy...well put...

each belongs on the road, both work, both get the job done, but one does it better, nut one is cheaper

 

[BenSkywalker]

PCs and Consloes are like a Porsche GT Carerra and a Toyota Carolla.

The problem with the analogy is that it totally ignores gaming. If you look at high end SGI viz solutions you would see that in theory they could obliterate even the best gaming PC two years from now(talking about current SGI versus future PCs). Problem is lack of games. PCs have this same problem.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: mwmorph
look im going to throw out an analogy.

PCs and Consloes are like a Porsche GT Carerra and a Toyota Carolla.
Both will do what you need it to do, but PCs are obviously, like the Porsche, for power users that demand all the latese and greatest(higher resolutions[We reached 720p like resolutions long ago], better sound(EAX, A3D), Better customisability(have you ever tried to define a custom control layout on the console?), etc). While the consoles will do the basics of what you need it to do.

Now if you are happy with a console, fine, but there will always be a market of us that are willing to pay a premium to play with better gfx/sound/more settings. There will always be a market for the sports cars/high powered rifles/luxury goods just like there will always be a market for PC games.

:thumbsup:good anaolgy...well put...

each belongs on the road, both work, both get the job done, but one does it better, nut one is cheaper

Better is kind of subjective here. I consider ease of use better. And cheaper can be better. I can get a console for less than the cost of a video card. 😉

 

[NoMoreFakeNews]

Nintendo is still Nintendo, to me it's not a substitute product to my PC gaming. My consol fits nicely into a different tech-nich.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

It's great to see how passionate you guys get about this riveting topic of consoles vs. PC's. 😕

Anyway, I'm in agreement with those who say each has their place. Obviously consoles are to play games (though they are now attempting to become the centerpiece of the multi-media system setup in your living room). Computers are to play other types of games, as well as their many other various uses.

For example, I play all my RTS and simulation games on computers. I play all my sports and adventure games on console. I don't play FPS really (it makes me nauseous!) so can't comment on those.

With that being said, I haven't touched a console for many many months, while I use my computer almost daily (to make awe-inspiring posts like this one).

 

[Aisengard]

Ben, you seem to have some sort of idea floating around in your head that the PC gaming business is either (help me out on this one): 1) Lacking in new ideas, 2) Obsolete compared to...whatever comes out on the Playstation? or 3) Completely inept at making games fun. Hell, maybe it's all three. I don't see how your thinking could be more wrong.

How could you say something like this:

Name some. Name some innovations in gaming on the PC in the last say five years to keep it to the current generation.

And also play such games as Morrowind, or perhaps the Total War series, or maybe something like Diablo or any MMORPGs? Remember that Everquest not only debuted on the Playstation, but the PC as well (and don't forget PC games like Ultima Online that started the whole Online RPG genre). Think of actual physics in graphics engines - that's from the PC. Playstation 2 and XBox can't handle actual graphical innovation. They all come from PC games, and PC-like hardware, such as, whaddaya know, graphics cards! It seems to me that Bill Gates is trying to create his own PC hardware company. What is this? Online gaming? Hard drives? Next-gen graphics cards? Sure sounds like a mini-proprietary PC to me. From 3 years ago. When the Playstation 3 comes out next year, it'll be like having a PC from two years before. And the prices just keep going up. It'll be $400 to own one of those mini-PCs. I can buy a $400 Dell computer now and have it play next years games just fine. The true innovation comes from the PC because you don't have to have a deal with the PC makers to make games for them. There's no Sony owning the entire x86 architecture.

And then you say:

If you are talking about the original HL then I can agree it is better then any of the console FPSs(the console ports of it sucked)- but HL2 was a rather sad joke in comparison to the original. Both it and FarCry are headed to the consoles also.

So I'm assuming both HL2 and Far Cry will suck on the consoles. Have there been any GOOD PC game ports to consoles?

So what you have been trying to say all along is that PC gaming sucks and consoles are going to kill them off?

What?

How do you figure that? They aren't trying to limit themselves to a couple genres nor are they trying to significantly reduce sales for their platforms either.

Come again? How are PCs limiting themselves to a couple genres? What's this about TRYING to reduce PC game sales? I think you're a bit touched in the head, there. The consoles are really limited to a couple genres: RPGs (including adventure games) and FPS's. Honestly, what else can they do (well)?

PCs may not have Final Fantasy (oh wait a minute, yes they do), but at least they can still have RPGs. PCs may not have Fable, or whatever adventure games are on Consoles, but at least they can still have Grim Fandango and The Longest Journey. The PCs have every genre. I honestly don't know where you're coming from.

EAX and A3D both suck compared to real time DolbyDigital and DTS. PCs come up well short on the sound end(mainly due to CreativeLabs holding down the industry).

Now I assume you're not talking to me anymore, and I really can't comment on sound, as I don't really require top quality surround sound to enjoy my games.


Also don't forget that everyone (here, at least) owns a PC. And even if games didn't exist on them, they'd buy a new one every 5 years, and keep up at least marginally with the technology. So since you already have the PC, the only cost for PC gaming is --- the games. And those won't be going up to $80 like some project the consoles will. Only the really true PC-game enthusiast buys parts for their PCs. And since this is an enthusiast website, you're going to find a rather disproportionate amount of enthusaists. 🙂