All you Clinton Haters

[Muse]

Private email server??

Benghazi??

$600k from speaking engagements??

Come on, show me something.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What do you want to see? My....ummmm... You know?

 

[Moonbeam]

About the only thing that matters is that Clinton says she will address the issue of money is speech in her first 30 days. So we will learn much soon if she wins.

 

[DrPizza]

21 Senate hearings on Benghazi; for comparison, 9/11 had 22 hearings. How many hearings were there when other embassies were attacked? 7 separate investigations into Hillary's actions. Every one of the partisan investigations came to the same conclusion: no wrongdoing. And, those investigations revealed (if you paid attention) that most of the commonly spread nonsense about Hillary's actions were false.

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

 

[DrPizza]

Whoa. She got a lot of money to give speeches to audiences of people who wanted to listen to her speak. Why don't you hire Aziz Ansari, comedian. He did the same thing, and made $46 million in one year. Hell, if for $100, I could have her over for dinner and listen to her ideas, I'd book a couple of nights immediately. Unfortunately for me, other people are willing to pay a lot more money.

 

[woolfe9998]

21 Senate hearings on Benghazi; for comparison, 9/11 had 22 hearings. How many hearings were there when other embassies were attacked? 7 separate investigations into Hillary's actions. Every one of the partisan investigations came to the same conclusion: no wrongdoing. And, those investigations revealed (if you paid attention) that most of the commonly spread nonsense about Hillary's actions were false.

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

After the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing which resulted in the deaths of 241 marines, the democrats, who controlled the House at the time, held one investigation. There were some allegations that base security had been inadequate. But the Congressional response was muted compared to Benghazi.

 

[Jhhnn]

21 Senate hearings on Benghazi; for comparison, 9/11 had 22 hearings. How many hearings were there when other embassies were attacked? 7 separate investigations into Hillary's actions. Every one of the partisan investigations came to the same conclusion: no wrongdoing. And, those investigations revealed (if you paid attention) that most of the commonly spread nonsense about Hillary's actions were false.

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

It's been hate week for Hillary for at least 24 years.

They don't know why they hate her. They don't care. They just do. They hate the cartoon.

 

[PliotronX]

"I don't know about that post calling out opponents of Hillary. I never saw any classified humor."

 

[rudder]

Whoa. She got a lot of money to give speeches to audiences of people who wanted to listen to her speak. Why don't you hire Aziz Ansari, comedian. He did the same thing, and made $46 million in one year. Hell, if for $100, I could have her over for dinner and listen to her ideas, I'd book a couple of nights immediately. Unfortunately for me, other people are willing to pay a lot more money.

So you have no issue with her accepting money to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State? Or her husband going to Russia to earn $500,000 for a speaking engagement.... Followed by a large donation to the Clinton Foundation.... Followed by state department approval for a Russain company purchasing 20% of the U.S. Uranium production capacity?

Sure people pay money to listen to Aziz Ansari. But he was never in a position to approve $168 billion in weapons sales to some Middle East countries with less than stellar human rights records. Need weapons... Well make a Clinton Foundation donation and we will see what the state department can do for you.

None of that concerns you? We would probably know a lot more shit if her legal team did not forensically sanitize her personal server.

And no I don't want trump to be president but this country won't survive 4 years of Clinton.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you have no issue with her accepting money to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State? Or her husband going to Russia to earn $500,000 for a speaking engagement.... Followed by a large donation to the Clinton Foundation.... Followed by state department approval for a Russain company purchasing 20% of the U.S. Uranium production capacity?

Sure people pay money to listen to Aziz Ansari. But he was never in a position to approve $168 billion in weapons sales to some Middle East countries with less than stellar human rights records. Need weapons... Well make a Clinton Foundation donation and we will see what the state department can do for you.

None of that concerns you? We would probably know a lot more shit if her legal team did not forensically sanitize her personal server.

And no I don't want trump to be president but this country won't survive 4 years of Clinton.

A multiplicity of federal agencies too numerous to name approved the uranium deal & the arms sales. It's always been that way. Clinton was one voice among many.

The Clinton Foundation does good work all over the world. Attacks on its integrity are w/o merit at this point. Only people who were already Clinton haters are slinging the FUD about it.

Won't survive 4 years of Clinton? We've survived the greatest Repub policy induced financial crisis since the Great Depression & the squandering of untold billions in the invasion of Iraq, a crime against humanity. We've endured nearly 8 years of obstructionism by congressional repubs. We've seen the blossoming of utter wretchedness in the Repub party with the nomination of Trump.

I figure we'll do just fine with Clinton. Yes we can.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Whoa. She got a lot of money to give speeches to audiences of people who wanted to listen to her speak. Why don't you hire Aziz Ansari, comedian. He did the same thing, and made $46 million in one year. Hell, if for $100, I could have her over for dinner and listen to her ideas, I'd book a couple of nights immediately. Unfortunately for me, other people are willing to pay a lot more money.

People with money, such as Goldman Sachs, etc... aren't fools with their money.

They know the investment that they are making when they pay for speeches, donate to campaigns, etc...

 

[guachi]

Private email server??

Benghazi??

$600k from speaking engagements??

Come on, show me something.

Benghazi? You mean that under Obama/Clinton attacks and deaths at embassies and other diplomatic facilities dropped 90% from George Bush?

You say "Benghazi" like it's a bad thing.

$600k from speaking engagements? She earned over $10 million from speaking to all sorts of people. You think she's now in hock to Big Tent, Big Jew and Big Canada?

How about this:

All of these things happened today but one. One of these statements isn’t true:


Donald Trump kicked a crying baby out of his rally.


Trump joked that all members of ISIS started as babies, so you can never be too sure and that’s why he had to kick the baby out.


Trump surrogate suggested parents should have left baby in their hot car.


Trump repeatedly mispronounced the name of German Chancellor Angela Merkel by pronouncing the “G” with a “J” sound and not a hard “G”.


Trump campaign blamed Obama’s Iraq strategy for Humayun Khan’s death. Obama was elected in 2008. Captain Khan died in 2004.


Trump claimed he would raise tax revenue by getting American companies to relocate overseas and then hitting them with 35% tariffs.


Trump is so insane, it's hard to pick out the untrue thing.

 

[Jhhnn]

People with money, such as Goldman Sachs, etc... aren't fools with their money.

They know the investment that they are making when they pay for speeches, donate to campaigns, etc...

$250K is chickenfeed to Goldman Sachs. In a lousy quarter, they set aside $2.66B in their bonus fund, 10,000x what they paid Clinton for a speech. If you believe they thought they'd get much for their money you're out of your mind.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/goldman-sachs-earnings/

 

[DrPizza]

So you have no issue with her accepting money to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State? Or her husband going to Russia to earn $500,000 for a speaking engagement.... Followed by a large donation to the Clinton Foundation.... Followed by state department approval for a Russain company purchasing 20% of the U.S. Uranium production capacity?

Sure people pay money to listen to Aziz Ansari. But he was never in a position to approve $168 billion in weapons sales to some Middle East countries with less than stellar human rights records. Need weapons... Well make a Clinton Foundation donation and we will see what the state department can do for you.

None of that concerns you? We would probably know a lot more shit if her legal team did not forensically sanitize her personal server.

And no I don't want trump to be president but this country won't survive 4 years of Clinton.

That's a huge exaggeration. How many different agencies had to sign off? Was it 7 or 8? And, the Uranium can't be exported anyway? For a low information voter who only sees a biased headline, this is an issue. For anyone actually paying attention, it's a complete non-issue.

 

[Muse]

What do you want to see? My....ummmm... You know?

Why, your credential of sanity, of course. Otherwise, your opinion may be suspect.

 

[Muse]

21 Senate hearings on Benghazi; for comparison, 9/11 had 22 hearings. How many hearings were there when other embassies were attacked? 7 separate investigations into Hillary's actions. Every one of the partisan investigations came to the same conclusion: no wrongdoing. And, those investigations revealed (if you paid attention) that most of the commonly spread nonsense about Hillary's actions were false.

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

Yes, this is my impression of what was going on, and truthfully I think it not dissimilar to the raking over the coals that Bill Clinton got over his tryst with Monika Lewinsky. The man lied about infidelity to his wife. Give him a break. What do expect? So, they decide to impeach the POTUS for lying (I presume under oath) about being unfaithful to his wife. I felt great indignation, anger and disrespect for the Republican establishment for this smoke screen excuse for governance, a shabby bunch they were in supposed public service. And look where the Republicans are now. Yes, they have the House. And the Senate for the time being. But in terms of purporting to lead the executive branch, they are pathetic.

 

[Muse]

So you have no issue with her accepting money to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State? Or her husband going to Russia to earn $500,000 for a speaking engagement.... Followed by a large donation to the Clinton Foundation.... Followed by state department approval for a Russain company purchasing 20% of the U.S. Uranium production capacity?

Sure people pay money to listen to Aziz Ansari. But he was never in a position to approve $168 billion in weapons sales to some Middle East countries with less than stellar human rights records. Need weapons... Well make a Clinton Foundation donation and we will see what the state department can do for you.

None of that concerns you? We would probably know a lot more shit if her legal team did not forensically sanitize her personal server.

And no I don't want trump to be president but this country won't survive 4 years of Clinton.

Oh, so you think maybe Trump's dealings with Russia would be pristine? Check this:

How Paul Manafort Wielded Power in Ukraine Before Advising Donald Trump

US won't survive 4 years of Clinton? Don't be silly.

 

[trenchfoot]

Given that the Repubs are obliged to vote for Trump out of party loyalty, I can see that they have no other recourse than to attempt to make Hillary look even worse than their guy, seeing as if their guy is, by their own admission, a stinker of biblical proportions to begin with.

In this regard, Hillary provides a wealth of issues for the Repubs to pick from simply because of the decades of time she has been in public service. A pile of shit in the outhouse will inevitably grow higher over a longer period of time. Given this and the uncanny ability of the Repubs to alchemize and fling doodies from that pile that stick like cyanoacrylate, I'd say their battle plan is the best that they can hope for and a pretty good fight it has been up to this point.

But IMO, with the likes of the Repub Convention still fresh in my mind, I can't see things any other way than the Trump presidential campaign being a direct reflection of that convention, sorry to say.

 

[Muse]

It's been hate week for Hillary for at least 24 years.

They don't know why they hate her. They don't care. They just do. They hate the cartoon.

Methinks they hate her because she's what stands between them and owning the White House. It's just about that simple.

 

[sportage]

It is the woman thing, lets all face it.
There are people that despise an uppity president whether black, a woman, and for future reference, they might be gay.
And that is it, in a nutshell.

If Michelle Obama decided to run for president, she would be attacked as well. More so because for many voters Michelle breaks two of the most sacred rules.
I need not explain the two.

It is so obvious that Hillary is held to a much higher standard.
As a college student, Hillary was a very active young woman and a strong woman.
Hillary preferred fighting for causes rather than preparing for the role of little house wife.
Hillary is the same today as she was back then. She is a very strong and stable woman knowing her head and always staying on track with her goals.

The attacks against Hillary are unfounded, absolutely.
One could easily point out much worse concerning a George Bush or Mitt Romany.
GW had quite shady dealings financial, as well as his entire family.
Their financial dealings in oil, relations with the Saudi government, the source of their family wealth.
As president, GW engaged in torture, lied about security and briefings, and GW should have served time for his treasonous acts against the US constitution, but naturally no one seemed to care.
Still today, no one seems to care.
Certainly not to the point of holding to accountability, or holding hearings in the senate, or calling on witnesses.

But Hillary?
The higher standard...

Emails and servers, nothing more than poor judgment. If even that.
Benghazi, nothing more than what can happen to the best of people in todays dangerous world.

To listen to republicans accuse Hillary over Benghazi, one would think Hillary was part of the assailants herself caring an AK-47 storming the compound.
And to hear republicans accuse Hillary over emails and servers, one would think she was sitting hand in hand with Putin in some dark room over in the Kremlin basement figuring out ways to deceive the American government.

The accusations from republicans are totally ridiculous.
But then again one has to realize, this is a woman they are attacking, and a strong woman that just could become the next president.

Women, blacks, and most all minorities have forever been held to higher standards.
The simple reason, they are not deemed fit for such high public office.
And what gets me.... I know a lot of women that also feel his way.
I know many women that have both careers and families, but they strongly believe only a man should be in charge.
And I have known blacks that believe a black man better know his place rather than rock the boat.

But Hillary is no pushover.
She is on her way to becoming president. And I know for a fact once in that job, people will realize all their unfounded fear and distrust was grossly exaggerated.
What I look forward to is Hillary's re-election come 2020.
When both republicans and democrats will easily hand Hillary her second term.
Hillary will be on her way as one of the most highest regarded and capable president in American History.

If we knew we would love Hillary come 2020 and overwhelmingly re-elect her as president, then why not give her a break and vote for Hillary Clinton this time around?
After all, as I often point out, the Clinton history is rocky the first time around, but the second time they are well loved and ALWAYS re-elected in high numbers.
So... ignore all the republican fear and hysteria over Hilary Clinton as president.
Instead, simply let that proven magical Clinton history be your guide.
You WILL absolutely love Hillary, trust me.
She will be the best.

 

[lopri]

Clinton hate is surprisingly vapid. I do have my own theory but for now I will let an answer from movement conservative to speak about Clinton's alleged flaws.

‘Why do people hate Hillary Clinton so much?” a reporter from the Canadian Broadcasting Company asked me this week. I responded that the pitiless rancor of American politics today is out of all proportion to our real challenges — but it’s worth recalling how Hillary Clinton earned her miserable reputation. It was the flagrant and prodigious lies. She has arguably abused power, enriched herself and her family with blatant influence selling, and betrayed an arrogant disregard for the normal rules.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437345/hillary-clinton-lies-make-her-unpopular

Even if you take everything as true, they are still so petty and vacuous that one would be forgiven for asking for more. A prominent sin of Clinton was firing a driver over a petty drama with the Bush's? Most other sins are changes of positions on issues. How dare she change her views..

 

[ivwshane]

Clinton hate is surprisingly vapid. I do have my own theory but for now I will let an answer from movement conservative to speak about Clinton's alleged flaws.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437345/hillary-clinton-lies-make-her-unpopular

Even if you take everything as true, they are still so petty and vacuous that one would be forgiven for asking for more. A prominent sin of Clinton was firing a driver over a petty drama with the Bush's? Most other sins are changes of positions on issues. How dare she change her views..

That ignores the fact that the right has been hating Hillary since she was first lady trying to push universal health care.


The dumb bitch doesn't know her role, is how I remember it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Private email server??

Benghazi??

$600k from speaking engagements??

Come on, show me something.

I'll bite. Is she history's greatest monster or the worst politician to ever run for or hold office. Of course not. But the Clintons are a team, and there is fallout and residue in their handling of situations throughout their joint career.

On foreign policy, despite her credentials as holding office as SoS, demonstated the similarly misguided semi-hawkish tendencies as her husband.

Economically, she is a neo-liberal in bed with corporate interests.

She only champions progressive causes when it is politically convenient to do so.

She voted for the war in Iraq because she, like most Democrats at the time, lacked the political will or courage to challenge W.

I find it ironic that we are celebrating her historic nomination as the first woman President, yet she got there riding her husband's career. That she would allow serial infidelity to further her own political ambitions is telling.

Senator of NY? carpet bagger. SoS? Concession Obama had to make for stealing "her turn".

The allegations and controversies and witch hunts may all be double standards, but they are made worst by her capacity for double speak and inability to answer very simple questions with honest and direct responses.

Is she preferred to Trump. Yes. Do I find Clinton inspiring. No.

 

[Double Trouble]

I'll bite. Is she history's greatest monster or the worst politician to ever run for or hold office. Of course not. But the Clintons are a team, and there is fallout and residue in their handling of situations throughout their joint career.

On foreign policy, despite her credentials as holding office as SoS, demonstated the similarly misguided semi-hawkish tendencies as her husband.

Economically, she is a neo-liberal in bed with corporate interests.

She only champions progressive causes when it is politically convenient to do so.

She voted for the war in Iraq because she, like most Democrats at the time, lacked the political will or courage to challenge W.

I find it ironic that we are celebrating her historic nomination as the first woman President, yet she got there riding her husband's career. That she would allow serial infidelity to further her own political ambitions is telling.

Senator of NY? carpet bagger. SoS? Concession Obama had to make for stealing "her turn".

The allegations and controversies and witch hunts may all be double standards, but they are made worst by her capacity for double speak and inability to answer very simple questions with honest and direct responses.

Is she preferred to Trump. Yes. Do I find Clinton inspiring. No.

Good post, that sums it up pretty well.

The worst part about Hillary is that she stands for nothing other than her own benefit, and lying/scheming are so ingrained in her that she simply can't help it anymore. She can't answer the simplest questions with a straight answer.

She'll tell you women who say they were victimized must be believed, but when a series of women accuse her husband of things and threaten to derail the Clinton machine, she does everything in her power to destroy them.

The email debacle is Hillary in a nutshell. Was what she did so horrible and unforgivable? No. Most would agree what she did was not unforgivable. It's the subsequent arrogance, defiance, lies, scheming that is detestable and shows she's not someone to be trusted with more power.

With her, there simply isn't one giant glaring issue that makes her unfit to lead. Instead, it's a long stream of lies, position changes, shady deals, utter contempt for the rules, and lack of any significant accomplishments.

 

[boomerang]

We know that psychologically, people think that if someone's in court, they must be guilty of something, otherwise they wouldn't be there. By keeping Hillary constantly in the public eye this way, the Republicans knew that it would destroy her reputation.

Can you give any good reasons why Republicans shouldn't play by the same rules as Democrats?

Politics is a game of escalation. I'm not saying that's a good thing, it just is what it is. I would very much like to see it changed because I know that maintaining the status quo will lead to more of the same, more escalation. But until or if the system is changed, fire must be fought with fire.

So, Alinsky Rules for Radicals rule number 4 across the board. Make them play by their own rules.

Hillary is a huge devotee of Alinsky. If you want to beat her, you play by her rules.

To help prove my point, who said this in regards to politics? “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

The man who said this has shaped our current political climate. He has intensified the divisions among us along political as well as racial lines. If you guessed Barack Obama said that you'd be correct.