repoman0
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Said every old fuck generation about every new generation ever. How original
Said every old fuck generation about every new generation ever. How original
ultimatebob
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Funny... I thought that Obama actually got a good youth vote turnout (mostly because they were naive enough to buy into the "hopey changey" stuff he was promising), and Trump wins in several swing states was caused by those same voters not showing up in 2016.
Of course, my opinion might be biased based on what I saw in 2016. All of the retirees in my neighborhood had Trump signs in their yards, which was shocking considering that Connecticut is a Democratic stronghold.
Of course, my opinion might be biased based on what I saw in 2016. All of the retirees in my neighborhood had Trump signs in their yards, which was shocking considering that Connecticut is a Democratic stronghold.
ImpulsE69
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That isn't the issue at all...are you clueless? That isn't the issue at all (repeated because wtf are you going on about). It is the over sensative 'i'm special' culture that is ruining comedy. They can't get through their acts w/o someone starting a protest because of a 'joke'.
Sonikku
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Other things Millenials are responsible for;
-The great recession
-The great depression
-The Titanic
-WW2
-The burning of the library of Alexandria
-The Star Wars Special edition edits
-Everything else
Bull shit. The crux of the issue is they're mad that they're not able to make as much money booking campus gigs. Like I said, if it was really about them not being able to do their routine, pretty goddamn sure they could get a permit and do their routines for free and have zero fucking problem on campuses. Plus, its like they don't realize the fucking internet exists, or that what, college kids might be outspoken? Holy shit, we better grind all of society to a halt over that incredibly profound discovery by Seinfeld and these other hack ass comedians that haven't been relevant for two fucking decades. They can't handle hecklers? When did they become such snowflakes whining about losing their safe spaces? Fuck these fucking clowns and their fucking incessant goddamn whining. Seriously when did comedians become such pathetic crybabies?
That's what pisses me off is the near total lack of self awareness of fucking millionaires like Seinfeld bitching that they can't do a standup routine without someone saying something these days. So its fine for them to bitch and moan but anyone else does it and they act like its ending society? Get the fuck out of here you fucking hypocrite. Your stand up sucked back when you were relevant because Larry David made you a star, and it sucks even more now. Eat bag of dicks, STFU, and just be thankful people don't constantly bring up when you were 39 and dating a fucking 17 year old you sick fuck.
Also, Bee Movie was so fucking terrible it should be considered a crime against humanity.
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Jon-T
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New York Times ran a piece yesterday that seems relevant here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/opinion/columbia-nimesh-patel-comedian-kicked-offstage.html
ImpulsE69
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You are out of your mind. The majority of comedians are not rich for one. Secondly, comedy in general has only gained more popularity in the last...10 years or so (in that more comedians are getting famous). Still that being said, the majority are NOT millionaires like Seinfeld. So you hate comedians, sounds like you've been offended or think you are too good and above it all. Good for you. Now go back to your basement. Comedy generally is about pushing buttons. Everyone gets offended by something. A mature adult rolls with it, not starts a movement. Our generation, and our offspring generation made a bunch of whiny, woah is me, the world is offensive crybabies. And don't come back with "but but no, I like..so and so they're funny. Fuck that. It's impacting all of them - and who you like is ONLY personal, it doesn't mean they ARE any better than others. There are many interviews with a whole variety of comedians who've talked about it. Get a clue before you act all high and mighty (I am assuming you aren't some 18 year old getting offended).
Some good stuff in the OP including
Church
Cork screws - I hate corks. Nothing wrong with twist off caps.
Home ownership is way over rated. Most people can't take care of their house and should have someone else do it.
Church
Cork screws - I hate corks. Nothing wrong with twist off caps.
Home ownership is way over rated. Most people can't take care of their house and should have someone else do it.
ImpulsE69
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Yea, I personally don't understand the majority of 'blame'. Things change over time. I do think due to the instant access to everything (online) that things are way more fad oriented in younger generations and those fads don't last as long because of the immediacy.
The ones bitching about this issue in this manner by and large are ones that have already made it. These are people that also have little relevance to college kids. Hell Seinfeld doesn't even do college gigs so he doesn't even fucking know what he's talking about. That doesn't stop him from insulting college kids and saying they don't know what they're talking about. Gee why would that piss anyone off?
The thing is, college kids actually did know what they were talking about. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have society in general going, what the fuck, why have we been tolerating so much racist and sexist shit? Seinfeld can eat a bag of dicks because this "too PC" mentality outed disgusting pieces of shit like Cosby, Louis CK, Weinstein, and others. Like I said, Seinfeld should be thankful that he's not just remembered for being kinda fucking disgusting himself. And its been helping out rampant everyday racism that a lot of people acted like didn't exist.
I was wrong about colleges not being big money gigs, they are. But I've seen several comics that outright said they're mad because their jokes/bits aren't liked by college kids so they can't get those gigs as much (so they lose out on that money). Or like the Gilbert Gottfried situation where he lost his deal with AFLAC, and similar.
Like you said there's tons of standup comics. Just like in all the other media (isn't it funny how musicians have kinda been trying to bitch in a similar manner, while refusing to accept how things have changed?), there's so many of them and so many avenues to get your standup fix that they refuse to accept that maybe that has something to do with it? Instead of going, oh, society is changing, maybe I should change too if I want to stay relevant? Nah, just do exactly what you're complaining about and just bitch and moan and refuse to hear what people are saying. Oh no, you might face consequences for saying something fucked up? You poor persecuted snowflakes.
Fuck you, you don't get to be arbiter for how I feel or what I get to say. I don't hate comics or standup. I don't know that I have any favorites, but I've watched a bunch of the Netflix specials, used to watch Comedy Central ones, watched a bunch of the older ones, watched a bunch of shows that comics made/write for/are on. I've watched plenty that I was pretty sure I wouldn't like, just to see if maybe they offer something more. So sorry, I'm going to keep having opinions about standup comics and the shit they say. I might like some of their stuff, but there's plenty from even the great ones that I don't find all that funny (or even outright think it sucks). Even though I probably would've laughed my ass off and quoted it when I was like 12, now I full on cringe at Eddie Murphy's Raw (or was it the follow up one) where he's talking about his girlfriend going out with "f****ts". People and society change. You know what? Comedians say fucking shitty things sometimes. Comedy and the reactions to it reflect on the society (I'm actually someone that would be supportive of comics criticisms of shit in the 80s where evangelical groups tried to get politicians to pass laws over this shit, which is not at all the same as people complaining about some of the fucked up stuff comedians are saying). Sorry, but people give a shit about a lot of issues these days. If you can't deal with that you shouldn't be a fucking standup comic, or you should try to become a better one that can tell a joke that makes people laugh, think, and not just go "that's fucked up".
I absolutely believe you can joke about anything. But I fully support other people being able to say it sucked and that you're a fucking dickhead for saying it. If you're worth a damn as a comic you can take it just as much as you can dish it out. That you can't see its absurd for comedians to be whining like this. Some are in agreement with the general argument about things being too PC, but they're not saying stupid shit like Seinfeld, which I'm fine with them and I'm not saying they're whiners, its these assholes like Seinfeld and others that tried to bitch when called out for some of their antics/comments that I'm taking issue with.
So, I do hate whiny ass bitch ones that are doing exactly what they're fucking bitching about. They're not standing up for these comics trying to make it, they're trying to get their own safe space and to be free of consequences when they fuckup. If they really wanted to help struggling comics, they would, instead of bitching about society and other stupid bullshit that dickheads like Seinfeld seem more interested in these days. They could even make money off of it by helping produce stuff and sponsor them. Some do (probably even Seinfeld some, although his stupid cars and coffee one is basically just chockful of people that have already made it), and that's laudable. Great. More of that. Less fucking whining because you get called out for saying shit that people find fucked up. Stop being so sensitive yourselves, doubly so if you just want to run around saying other people are too sensitive.
I'm not even saying that there aren't instances where it has gone too far, and I certainly don't agree with all of that (I wouldn't probably ever make a fuss about it at the time - one of the great things about watching content non-live-in-person is that if I don't like it I can just turn it off and watch something else), but I'm also not going to just let people like Seinfeld spout bullshit without question. I think both sides could learn from each other, but I also know that comedians have a habit of being massive fucking hypocrites. They love being able to say things without repercussion and getting lauded when people agree with it, but if people don't then there's a ton of comics that have fucking meltdowns (Michael Richards says hi) and start blaming shit instead of accepting responsibility. If they can't handle bombing or hecklers, then they're shitty comics. If you decide to make your job literally be commenting about shit, then you should be able to accept that people are going to respond, and its not just going to be "oh awesome, great job!" all the time. Hell there's a bunch of comics that got started because they were just assholes that ran their mouths in response to other people (often on social media these days). So it seems odd for them to be taking such issue with it when they're on the other side. You'd think these champions of free speech would realize other people are exercising theirs. Nope, its the doom of society! Reminds me of all these old assholes bitching about the media "smearing" them for revealing what pieces of shit they are.
Sorry, this is not dooming standup comedy. Its doing better than ever, and its easier than ever to do it, and there's a more varied and probably more talented overall pool of comedians than in all of previous human history. I'll point back to the aforementioned glut of comedians (and other forms of entertainment), and ways of accessing comedy as maybe a much bigger reason for why that market is changing in ways that some of these olders ones don't like. We're no longer stuck having to deal with milquetoast hacks (and a bunch of the other shitass 80s comics; its like people forget how many shitty comedians there always are, they just look back and go "Carlin/Pryor/etc") like Seinfeld just because that's all we can get.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-stand-up-comics-hate-free-speech/
https://www.thewrap.com/comedians-avoiding-campus-when-did-universities-lose-their-sense-of-humor/
There were some other good articles/opinions (many from other comics) that called out this bullshit "colleges are too PC now" argument, but my Google skills aren't what they were and I honestly don't give a shit enough about this to put more effort in. I read up on a bunch of it, and it was mostly out of touch people or comics like Seinfeld that literally didn't know what they were talking about because they don't even do college gigs that were making the big fuss about "PC" shit. If I remember right even some of the ones that originally were in agreement have changed (I want to say Sara Silverman agreed about things getting too PC, but also said she thought about it more and started changing her comedy because of the feedback - might be wrong but I know I've seen some say that). And we've seen outright how bullshit Seinfeld's comments are after society at large has started to take those things more seriously because they're actually serious problems that we were dismissing and joking about. Weird that he wants like a moment of silence for Michael Richards losing his shit like a fucking psycho, but people who have actually experienced rape and sexual assault taking issue with rape jokes, nah that's too fucking PC for him. Fuck him. That's not a joke. A joke would be people going to Seinfeld's comedy act and then laughing. You get it? Its funny because its ironic, because people wouldn't be laughing at his comedy.
Cliff notes: Fuck Seinfeld
VirtualLarry
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Well, for the "rest of us" (not over-sensitive PC types that seem to be triggered by this stuff), sometimes... rape jokes CAN be funny. Yeah, I know, bad thing to say THESE DAYS.
If rappers can "sing" (and I use that term VERY loosely here) about murder, and drug overdoses, then what's wrong with the occasional comedic "rape joke".
Some people get their panties in a bunch, over the dumbest things.
Btw, laughing at a "rape joke", doesn't make rape alright, nor does it make those that experienced it personally feel better. But, "fuck the feels". Freedom of Speech trumps "feels" anyday.
Edit: It's kind of like, taking offense at "Skydiver FAIL" jokes, just because someone might be a "Skydive FAIL survivor" in the audience. FUCK THAT.
Edit: Or taking offense at all FPS video games, because "killing virtual avatars", is "like MURDER". That's the same point that "rape joke haters" are making, essentially.
Hands off the entertainment of others!
Edit: Do you play FPS shooter games? If I got offended by the killing in those games, should I start a movement to ban them? Would that make YOU happy?
In fact, if "rape jokes" desensitize people to rape, then sure, FPS video games desensitize kids these days to murder, and should be likewise banned. Right? Is that your point?
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IronWing
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That they do and a lot of the blaming millennials is just people complaining about things changing, same as the generation before them blamed their generation, and so on. The worst part is how many old people I see are guilty of the stuff they complain about millennials for.
I somewhat agree but also don't. Millenials didn't start fad culture. I think the internet just pushes people towards the next big thing too much. Like after Gangnam Style was a phenomenon and then some people tried pushing that stupid ass "what does the fox say" song saying its like that (which it wasn't at all). So in the past the fads would take awhile to run their course (disco...), and would have more staying power, but society/people just are into fads. That's not entirely bad, but there definitely can be downsides. I feel for parents trying to raise kids these days, where its like they want everything all new all the time. My niece went from Shopkins to LOL and I forget all the others (think there was like 2 years between Shopkins and LOL). And because so many of them watch all these unboxing videos, not knowing that hey they're unboxing like thousands of dollars worth of toys every year (that they were often given for free), that the kids want that stuff. But my parents went through the same thing. TMNT to X-Men for me (and I'm sure others went He-Man to Transformers). And Legos of course (which now, you've got so much cross promotion, so every popular thing there's Legos of it as well). I want to go back and tell them "nooo, don't buy all those fucking pogs!".
My one nephew has been playing Fortnite on Xbox One (that's literally like all he plays). He wanted a PS4 for X-mas so he could play it with mouse and keyboard. I had to tell family not to get him a PS4 because they added mouse and keyboard to the Xbox One (and all his friends I think play on Xbox, so he'd lose all his Fortnite stuff, all his games on Xbox, and his friends wouldn't be on there). And then all of a sudden he wants a gaming PC instead.
VirtualLarry
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Well said.
PM me if interested, I've got a few to "pass along".
PS. I wasn't serious about banning FPS, I think that they do a lot of good, training mind/brain/body reflexes, among other things. I think e-sports can be as healthy as regular sports, in the right amounts and the right contexts. Edit: Just like a little comedic relief in the right amounts can do wonders. People are just plain WAY too uptight, stressed, and touchy these days.
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ImpulsE69
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Yea, what I was trying to say is fads spread and fade faster because of social media. If you are familiar with the old jokes about how the midwest started following 'new' music 2-3 years after the coasts were into them kind of thing. You don't see that as much these days because it is all there, all the time. And in the same way, it goes as fast as it comes.
Lanyap
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Millennials Strike Again: This Time We Are Killing Cash And 'Merry Christmas'
I was talking to my 19yo daughter who is home for the winter solstice break and I was joking around telling her millennials are killing everything good like napkins, tuna, can openers, Christmas, etc. and she looks at me and says, that's because we can't afford them... I told her she needed to get a job.
j/k about the job, she has one. Between her 529 plan and us, her parents, we're trying to get her out of college with little to no loan debt. She wants to be a special ed teacher (she connects with kids with issues). It's something useful that makes it easy for her to find a job, tuition is not as much as some of the higher cost degrees and she's attending a state university in Florida that has reasonable tuition and good scholarships available.
I was talking to my 19yo daughter who is home for the winter solstice break and I was joking around telling her millennials are killing everything good like napkins, tuna, can openers, Christmas, etc. and she looks at me and says, that's because we can't afford them... I told her she needed to get a job.
j/k about the job, she has one. Between her 529 plan and us, her parents, we're trying to get her out of college with little to no loan debt. She wants to be a special ed teacher (she connects with kids with issues). It's something useful that makes it easy for her to find a job, tuition is not as much as some of the higher cost degrees and she's attending a state university in Florida that has reasonable tuition and good scholarships available.
Carson Dyle
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Killing can openers? Last week I opened a can of some Campbell's Chunky soup that had one of those highly convenient pull tops. Broke the seal and then promptly broke off the tab. So I got out my 25 year old can opener, tried that, but it opened about 1/3rd of the lid and mangled the rest. So, I go out to the garage and grab a big pair of pliers. Put the can in the sink, wrestled with the lid, trying not to slice my hand open and five minutes later I'd pried it off and only spilled about half the soup.
MtnMan
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Well I am far from being a millennial, but I haven't been to any of these 'chain' restaurants in decades, either. They just don't compare to the local establishments where the people actually care what they serve, instead of just following some corporate recipe.
MagnusTheBrewer
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Corporate food operations are created for a particular niche and designed to fail over time. How many Steak and Ales or Bennigan's do you see across America? Applebee's and Buffalo Wings are merely reaching the end of their planned for life. There will be a new concept to replace them. Millennials kill food in all it's wondrous forms because they don't care about eating.
FeuerFrei
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Speaking of tail end. Why is there a common consensus of when Gen Z started (1999) but look for when millennial started and the ranges are anywhere from 1977 to 1984. I was born 1981 and I am having an identity crisis.
If it happens again, turn the can over and use the can opener on the normal can-opener-able "lid" on the bottom of the can.
Red Squirrel
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The alcohol industry, now that weed is legal they just get high instead of drunk! lol.
Can openers now are not what they used to be. My parents had one that I used A LOT as a kid and it lasted throughout my entire childhood, they probably still have it. I've been in my house for under 10 years and I already went through 3 of them. They either outright break, or they just stop cutting. All made of Chinesium now days. Oddly enough, I bought a cheapie Chinese one off Amazon and that one has lasted me the longest so far. I don't think it's so much an issue that China can't make anything good, it's that western companies are too cheap to pay them to make something good so they'll tell them to cut all the corners they can to keep the price down, and then they'll still sell it here at a premium.
Can openers now are not what they used to be. My parents had one that I used A LOT as a kid and it lasted throughout my entire childhood, they probably still have it. I've been in my house for under 10 years and I already went through 3 of them. They either outright break, or they just stop cutting. All made of Chinesium now days. Oddly enough, I bought a cheapie Chinese one off Amazon and that one has lasted me the longest so far. I don't think it's so much an issue that China can't make anything good, it's that western companies are too cheap to pay them to make something good so they'll tell them to cut all the corners they can to keep the price down, and then they'll still sell it here at a premium.
lxskllr
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Most cans don't have two "lids" anymore. They're two piece designs like beer cans. I gave up on my Swing-A-Way openers. I think the geometry changed when the cans went two piece, and they don't work right anymore. I use military openers like these(I have both sizes)...If it happens again, turn the can over and use the can opener on the normal can-opener-able "lid" on the bottom of the can.
"Easy open" cans can fuck off and die. The time you save using a pull tab is made up trying to get the food past the lip they leave, not to mention failures as CD noted. If a can opener is too difficult for someone to use, they should simply starve to death. They have nothing to offer the world, and are using up my oxygen.
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