All lives matter BOOED! Only black lives matter.

[fskimospy]

What a moron. Why do people want to expose themselves as idiots in such a public way??

He's making fun of your arguments, and it's pretty spot on.

Although I guess it's not surprising that people don't react well to being mocked.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I ask the same question to myself regarding some of the people on this forum. I think it's a lack of any sense of self-objectivity and they feel insulated in some way.

You could use your real name and pic as your av.
You probably won't feel so insulated

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh, they aren't excluding anyone?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/31/black-lives-matter-excludes-whites-from-forum-on-a/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...lack-lives-matter-tl-0312-20150306-story.html

Plenty of other similar occurrences. What do you call it when people are prevented from attending or participating in events by organizers strictly based on the color of their skin?

Can't say I blame them. Who would want a bunch of do gooder SJW's mucking up the discussion?

 

[Jaskalas]

What a moron. Why do people want to expose themselves as idiots in such a public way??

I ask the same question to myself regarding some of the people on this forum. I think it's a lack of any sense of self-objectivity and they feel insulated in some way.

Exposed how? Marching to the drumbeat of a party's political agenda means you've got half the nation supporting you. These days Dems are all about trashing Dr. King and the struggle for equality. Of being exclusionary and divisive instead of inclusive and equal. Theirs is a fight for segregation.

It's the victim mentality fostered by the Dems. Only women can be victims. Only blacks can be victims. That's why they got to protest #alllivesmatter, because they are fighting for some people and not all people. A call for unity is their worst nightmare. Gotta keep people divided and hating each other.

Dylan Roof would be thrilled to learn not #allivesmatter because that means people are still polarized and divided, and ready to jump at each other just as he acted on. In a united world he'd be the worthless !@#$ !@#$% he is, and the country would be united in the condemnation of him and his message. That'd be the end of it. Instead, we've got people pitted against each other, ripping apart their history and their symbols, trying to destroy one another. That's a world in which Dylan Roofs thrive and violence is ensured.

To reject #alllivesmatter is to reject Dr. King, it is to reject unity, and it is to reject peace.
A divided world is one in which no lives matter.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You could use your real name and pic as your av.
You probably won't feel so insulated

Nice back-handed insult! By the way, you feeling OK healthwise? Haven't seen you around for a while.

 

[PokerGuy]

He's making fun of your arguments, and it's pretty spot on.

Although I guess it's not surprising that people don't react well to being mocked.

He's showing his stupidity. Every single one of his items "mocking" arguments are absolutely idiotic. In fact, the lion he's using for his "mockery" appears to be much more intelligent than he is, the analogy he's trying to use to mock is moronic.

 

[Moonbeam]

Your exact experiences. And that the corollary is true, had you lived my life you would currently have my thinking or anyone else's had you their experiences. That's my point in a nutshell, I tend to be too verbose and long winded to make the kind of succinct and direct posts that others make.

And if you can accept this all that anger and derision and contempt you have for those with differing opinions will disappear. Next time you start replying to someone with the intention of telling them all about their brain defect realize that you would have those world views and politics had you been switched at birth with them, and they have yours.

No, I am asking you imagine what you would have to experience to lead you to see as I do.

You are as you are because you have to be. You had to be as you are to protect yourself from the violence of your programming. You were forced to hate who you were to conform because you could not have survived fully conscious, continuously, of your pain. You had to separate and repress your true self and hide your pain behind the protection of ego. You are asleep and have been that way almost all of your life. There is nobody to blame for this, there is no guilt. You had to acquire the defect of ego to survive. You are focused on the past, the fact that experiences made us who we are. I am telling you that we made a prison for ourselves and for every prison there is a key. The key to freedom lies in the death of ego. The ego is there to protect you from what you feel. The ego dies when you feel what you feel/

It takes no great intellect to see that the reason psychotherapy exists is because human misery is based on self hate, that the hate of oneself for feeling feelings that we were taught were evil are not evil at all when we allow them to surface to the light. The fact that people can be more or less mentally healthy may suggest to a seeker there is a real state of mental health. Because I have had experiences that have caused me to feel what I feel, I know something of what I speak.

You are at the stage where you want to protect your ego and do not want to know what you feel. That can change. The ego is a suit of armor to protect you from fears that happened long ago. Denial is a state in which truth can not approach. I give you facts you can't get just anywhere. It's what I do as best I am able. You probably think I hate you but in fact you are one of my favorite posters. We are all the same.

 

[Moonbeam]

What a moron. Why do people want to expose themselves as idiots in such a public way??

You mean like you just did? Those posts were excellent mirrors. You seem offended by what you saw.

 

[Moonbeam]

I ask the same question to myself regarding some of the people on this forum. I think it's a lack of any sense of self-objectivity and they feel insulated in some way.

Always look to what you see in others for clues to who you are. We can only see in others what we have experienced in ourselves. I have seen that about myself.

 

[Rustler]

exposed how? Marching to the drumbeat of a party's political agenda means you've got half the nation supporting you. These days dems are all about trashing dr. King and the struggle for equality. Of being exclusionary and divisive instead of inclusive and equal. Theirs is a fight for segregation.

It's the victim mentality fostered by the dems. Only women can be victims. Only blacks can be victims. That's why they got to protest #alllivesmatter, because they are fighting for some people and not all people. A call for unity is their worst nightmare. Gotta keep people divided and hating each other.

Dylan roof would be thrilled to learn not #allivesmatter because that means people are still polarized and divided, and ready to jump at each other just as he acted on. In a united world he'd be the worthless !@#$ !@#$% he is, and the country would be united in the condemnation of him and his message. That'd be the end of it. Instead, we've got people pitted against each other, ripping apart their history and their symbols, trying to destroy one another. That's a world in which dylan roofs thrive and violence is ensured.

To reject #alllivesmatter is to reject dr. King, it is to reject unity, and it is to reject peace.
A divided world is one in which no lives matter.

well said...........and spot on

 

[cubby1223]

Always look to what you see in others for clues to who you are. We can only see in others what we have experienced in ourselves. I have seen that about myself.

Probably the wisest thing I've ever seen on this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[davmat787]

No, I am asking you imagine what you would have to experience to lead you to see as I do.

I don't need to imagine or give specific examples, the answer is your exact life experiences. Were those the entirety of mine, I can accept I would have your world view.

Now I ask if you can accept the corollary to be true: That if the entirety of my lifes experiences were instead experienced by you, can you accept the premise that you might have my viewpoints?

You are as you are because you have to be. You had to be as you are to protect yourself from the violence of your programming. You were forced to hate who you were to conform because you could not have survived fully conscious, continuously, of your pain. You had to separate and repress your true self and hide your pain behind the protection of ego. You are asleep and have been that way almost all of your life. There is nobody to blame for this, there is no guilt. You had to acquire the defect of ego to survive. You are focused on the past, the fact that experiences made us who we are. I am telling you that we made a prison for ourselves and for every prison there is a key. The key to freedom lies in the death of ego. The ego is there to protect you from what you feel. The ego dies when you feel what you feel/

It takes no great intellect to see that the reason psychotherapy exists is because human misery is based on self hate, that the hate of oneself for feeling feelings that we were taught were evil are not evil at all when we allow them to surface to the light. The fact that people can be more or less mentally healthy may suggest to a seeker there is a real state of mental health. Because I have had experiences that have caused me to feel what I feel, I know something of what I speak.

You are at the stage where you want to protect your ego and do not want to know what you feel. That can change. The ego is a suit of armor to protect you from fears that happened long ago. Denial is a state in which truth can not approach. I give you facts you can't get just anywhere. It's what I do as best I am able. You probably think I hate you but in fact you are one of my favorite posters. We are all

I guarantee that you are in no way qualified to make such baseless and blanket claims. I could probably make you cry with real life personal and familial tragedies but this isn't the place, I'm not interested in doing so, nor are you the proper audience.

Any personal ego issues you allude to are simply meaningless on the scale I refer too. The fears from long ago you mention and their supposed influence today are laughable, they are relatively joyous daydreams in comparison. Events force one to not live in the past as the alternative is simply unbearable.

In short your psycho analysis doesn't apply, I couldn't be here if it did.

 

[realibrad]

Probably the wisest thing I've ever seen on this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.

So, you should look at other people to learn about yourself, and you can only see in others things that you have already experienced.

That is not very deep, but to each their own a guess.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Always look to what you see in others for clues to who you are.

Although clearly not immune to its wiles, I understand projection and how we routinely deceive ourselves. Please know that I am vigilant.

 

[Moonbeam]

M: I believe you and I believe I have explained why you feel that way. I am sorry. I used to believe I had no malice but discovered I was filled to the brim with it. Just imagine for a second that you discovered you're a monster. Which would be better for the people around you, to know that you are or to be one and deny it?

c: Why are you a monster? Is it because you actually are a monster? Or because it is the collective opinions of everyone around you that make you believe you are a monster?

M: There were times when I was told I was a bad boy and my parents didn't like evil. They said that evil was monstrous so I realized that I was a monster because they told me I was bad. This happened in lots of different ways and got connected to lots of different events. I was taught to hate monsters and self preservation caused me to see monsters out there. I'm a good boy now. I have a nice shiny ego, or had
===========

M: I know I hate myself and that I project my hate onto the world so that when I feel hated I know I am having delusions.

c: You may be able to tell the difference, how does someone else know when you speak truth and when you project hate? If I read a paragraph of yours and I agree with what you wrote, is it because we currently are sharing a moment of enlightened understanding, or are we sharing a moment of hatred?

M: I do the best I can. How others react doesn't matter then.

===============

M: I believe this is what I described, a focus on group dynamics and group cohesion over dedication to true justice. I am interested in WHAT is right and WHAT is wrong and you are interested in WHO is right and WHO is wrong because you see a threat there. I am interested in the truth, not what I feel about it. I see myself as a conservative who died of suffering because the truth was not interested in my ego and I used to be.

c: You have a lot of grand ideas but you choose not to apply them to the situations. I would like to see you to take your recap of the eskimospy vs. werepossum back & forth, and replace all the general terms, such as "opinion", "group", "truth", etc., and put in their place the actual details of the situation as you see them fitting. The situation is a group saying "Black Lives Matter", O'Malley responding saying "All Lives Matter", and the group booing O'Malley.

M: I have to go to a movie in a few. That would take a lot of time.

c: What does "All Lives Matter" mean? What does "Black Lives Matter" mean? If different people disagree on the meaning, how do we reconcile that? What if both have supportive evidence for their claims? How do we choose which evidence is important and why? How do we decide which is actual right and actual wrong?

M: Understand that to be unconscious is to have feelings you do not know you have but which color your assumptions, are the color of your assumptions.
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M: I conclude there is a difference if your frame of references.

c: Exactly. But we all need a baseline to compare to and understand each other. Your provided explanation is too open to subjective interpretation. Without the context added in, we sit at the exact same problem as when we started.

(and I know some others will jump on me with a generic attack like "It's obvious to everyone who isn't stupid like you" let's find out the truth of everyone's views. Provide your understanding of the Moonbeams recap with the specifics belonging to this situation, and if you do so, then I will also get in on the mix)

M: Time and effort not available at the moment.

c: If you dig deep enough, every truth, every fact, is based on an assumption we cannot explain, we just accept to be true in order to make sense of the world. Take any fact you believe to be true and ask yourself why is it true? Then take your explanation and ask yourself why is that true? Then ask why that is true? Start with anything, you will always either loop around in a circle, or arrive at a point where you have no explanation for why it is true. Moonbeam, you are interested in facts only, truth only. But you cannot escape the reality that your understanding will always be based on assumptions. Truth is and always will be subjective. We all rely on groups to develop understanding of what is true and what is not. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you something.

M: I disagree with this. My search for the truth led me to the conclusion that all my assumptions were wrong. I could not prove a single one of them. Truth is not subjective. There is no truth. I am a nobody. I stand on nothing. I am empty. I rely on nobody to tell me anything because everybody is just like me. They just don't know they don't know anything.

 

[Moonbeam]

Although clearly not immune to its wiles, I understand projection and how we routinely deceive ourselves. Please know that I am vigilant.

I do know. I love you and feel pain when you despair of the ignorance of others. Nobody is guilty for being who they are. We are exactly as we have to be until we see we don't have to be, that what we believe are lies.

 

[HomerJS]

Exposed how? Marching to the drumbeat of a party's political agenda means you've got half the nation supporting you. These days Dems are all about trashing Dr. King and the struggle for equality. Of being exclusionary and divisive instead of inclusive and equal. Theirs is a fight for segregation.

It's the victim mentality fostered by the Dems. Only women can be victims. Only blacks can be victims. That's why they got to protest #alllivesmatter, because they are fighting for some people and not all people. A call for unity is their worst nightmare. Gotta keep people divided and hating each other.

Dylan Roof would be thrilled to learn not #allivesmatter because that means people are still polarized and divided, and ready to jump at each other just as he acted on. In a united world he'd be the worthless !@#$ !@#$% he is, and the country would be united in the condemnation of him and his message. That'd be the end of it. Instead, we've got people pitted against each other, ripping apart their history and their symbols, trying to destroy one another. That's a world in which Dylan Roofs thrive and violence is ensured.

To reject #alllivesmatter is to reject Dr. King, it is to reject unity, and it is to reject peace.
A divided world is one in which no lives matter.

Oh I don't know. When was the last time you heard someone advocate for all diseases research? One person advocates for AIDS research. Another person advocates for cancer research.

Advocating the recognition for the worth of black lives does not preclude the other. Its a push for equality. #alllivesmatter is the end result when #blacklivesmatter is attained.

 

[werepossum]

I made the following remarks in another thread earlier today, similar to what I just quoted.

I asked someone else if it was possible that their world view and politics would be completely different of they were born and had the same life experiences as the ideologically opposed person he was debating.

That is to say that both peoples life experiences have led to both of them having rationally and logically arrived at their current world views and politics, and had they been switched at birth they would each hold the others current views.

I like to think so, and believing so removes one from taking things personally, getting caught up in the "I'm right and you're wrong" game, regional stereotyping, and many other roadblocks to understanding and honest discourse.

Also while I think you aren't really interested in changing minds or real understanding in favor of belittling others with your tired CBD shtick. I honestly think your body of work is evidence of one who must feed a feeling of false superiority rather than wanting to share and understand differing views or even try to enlighten others to your views in hopes of changing opinion. That is the satisfaction of belittling and trolling is paramount to all that.

I say all this with absolutely no malice and fully admit I could be wrong but I believe the entirety of your postings supports this.

Do you think if you had all the life experiences of a hated conservative that you might just also arrive at that world view? I can fully accept that same premise would be true for me.

Awesome post, but unfortunately totally wasted. To a proggie/SJW, there is generally one very narrow correct position on every issue. All valid points exist within that very narrow correct position, and anything less than total adherence to that very narrow correct position makes one an idiot or evil. Eskimospy will simply tell you that you are an idiot or a liar and Moonie will tell you that you have a brain defect.

 

[werepossum]

Exposed how? Marching to the drumbeat of a party's political agenda means you've got half the nation supporting you. These days Dems are all about trashing Dr. King and the struggle for equality. Of being exclusionary and divisive instead of inclusive and equal. Theirs is a fight for segregation.

It's the victim mentality fostered by the Dems. Only women can be victims. Only blacks can be victims. That's why they got to protest #alllivesmatter, because they are fighting for some people and not all people. A call for unity is their worst nightmare. Gotta keep people divided and hating each other.

Dylan Roof would be thrilled to learn not #allivesmatter because that means people are still polarized and divided, and ready to jump at each other just as he acted on. In a united world he'd be the worthless !@#$ !@#$% he is, and the country would be united in the condemnation of him and his message. That'd be the end of it. Instead, we've got people pitted against each other, ripping apart their history and their symbols, trying to destroy one another. That's a world in which Dylan Roofs thrive and violence is ensured.

To reject #alllivesmatter is to reject Dr. King, it is to reject unity, and it is to reject peace.
A divided world is one in which no lives matter.

I don't think that's quite fair. I believe it's not so much these black people rejecting #allivesmatter as believing that when movements have been based on Dr. King's principles of equality, somehow they still end up with the short end of the stick. They are concerned with pushing #blacklivesmatter not (or at least not only) because of selfishness and racism but because they fear concentrating on #allivesmatter will make things a little better for everyone, but still relatively worse for themselves, whereas concentrating on #blacklivesmatter might not help anyone but black people but will still leave non-black people at least as well off as are black people.

I think booing "All Lives Matter" was tactically foolish, but not evil. To twist Homer's example, it would be stupid to boo "We need to end diseases like AIDS and cancer" at an AIDS rally, but it would also be foolish to change your banners from "Find a cure for AIDS" to "Find a cure for all diseases". It's a tactical issue, not necessarily a morality issue even though to those excluded it will certainly seem like a morality issue (which is why it was tactically foolish.)

 

[fskimospy]

Awesome post, but unfortunately totally wasted. To a proggie/SJW, there is generally one very narrow correct position on every issue. All valid points exist within that very narrow correct position, and anything less than total adherence to that very narrow correct position makes one an idiot or evil. Eskimospy will simply tell you that you are an idiot or a liar and Moonie will tell you that you have a brain defect.

Funny, I don't think I've ever called him an idiot or a liar. If you simply look in this thread you'll see that realibrad and I completely disagree on this issue but I've never once questioned his intellect or his integrity. Have you wondered why that is?

You have to remember that your proud ignorance and your dishonesty are your fault, not the fault of those who point it out to you. You really should stop trying to blame other people for your failures.

 

[PokerGuy]

Awesome post, but unfortunately totally wasted. To a proggie/SJW, there is generally one very narrow correct position on every issue. All valid points exist within that very narrow correct position, and anything less than total adherence to that very narrow correct position makes one an idiot or evil. Eskimospy will simply tell you that you are an idiot or a liar and Moonie will tell you that you have a brain defect.

Only a fool would question our resident expert on everything, of course he's right and you're wrong. After all, he's an expert. On everything. Duh!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Funny, I don't think I've ever called him an idiot or a liar. If you simply look in this thread you'll see that realibrad and I completely disagree on this issue but I've never once questioned his intellect or his integrity. Have you wondered why that is?

You have to remember that your proud ignorance and your dishonesty are your fault, not the fault of those who point it out to you. You really should stop trying to blame other people for your failures.

I should take a lesson or two, or three, from your approach. You debate the issue honestly and with integrity. For that, my hat is off to you.

 

[realibrad]

Oh I don't know. When was the last time you heard someone advocate for all diseases research? One person advocates for AIDS research. Another person advocates for cancer research.

Advocating the recognition for the worth of black lives does not preclude the other. Its a push for equality. #alllivesmatter is the end result when #blacklivesmatter is attained.

This is just going to get thrown out there again and again I see.

Racism is not the same as disease. Both have multiple symptoms. Racism has 1 cause, disease has almost countless causes. If all disease came from one cause, then you should absolutely treat the single cause and that would mean that you are treating all the causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

If you want to treat cancer, you have to devote resources to it, which means resources cannot be used for other things.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

And just so I am clear.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

 

[dank69]

This is just going to get thrown out there again and again I see.

Racism is not the same as disease. Both have multiple symptoms. Racism has 1 cause, disease has almost countless causes. If all disease came from one cause, then you should absolutely treat the single cause and that would mean that you are treating all the causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

If you want to treat cancer, you have to devote resources to it, which means resources cannot be used for other things.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

And just so I am clear.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

Racism has 1 cause.
Disease has multiple causes.

What is this one cause of racism?

 

[Venix]

He's making fun of your arguments, and it's pretty spot on.

Although I guess it's not surprising that people don't react well to being mocked.

Eh. Most of the analogies are pretty shitty, as analogies usually are. "Listened to the hunters" doesn't even make sense, and the comment about poachers is true. Poachers are a much more serious threat to African wildlife than trophy hunters.

Regarding police shootings, the validity of the arguments he's trying to parody depends on the situation. Sometimes they're accurate, and sometimes they're thinly veiled police state apologetics or racial bias. I was disgusted by people claiming that John Crawford and Tamir Rice deserved to die, but Michael Brown deserves heavy criticism. Eric Garner's death is a tragedy, but it was accidental and could have been avoided had he not resisted arrest.

There are significant differences between a trigger-happy racist cop murdering in cold blood, an arrest spiraling out of control, and a violent felon being shot in self-defense, and I think the Black Lives Matter people are making a serious mistake by lumping together all police killings under the "evil cop kills saintly victim" banner. Ignoring the uncomfortable realities of some of the victims simply drives people away from the important objective of reducing police violence and bias.