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dank69

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I am a big fan of inappropriate and offensive humor - that's why George Carlin is the GOAT in my opinion.

But what's the joke here? Genuine question. As far as I can tell the joke is 'I hope you are killed'.
Technically the joke was "I hope you are not killed," which conservatives will hide behind because it has plausible deniability. People should be more focusing on the actual implications of his "joke" that supporters of Palestinians are "terrorists."
 
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akugami

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Always ready to confirm what an adorable deplorable you are

As a note, Greenman probably won't see your comment. He probably has you on ignore. At the very least, he had me on ignore, because I've called him out on his outright deplorable opinions. If he has you on ignore, in his little mind, he can pretend no one is calling him out on his crappy stances. He's not looking for a debate, he's just here to push an agenda.
 

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They don't get it. They can't tell the difference between racism and racist jokes. You can make jokes that are racist and funny. Colin Jost and Michael Che do it all the time on SNL and they are very funny. Look it up on YouTube.

There is a time and place for jokes. Politicians are not comedians and they have no place telling racist jokes, in the context of a contested campaign. George Lopez told a Hispanic joke where the premise was this is what they say about us. What was said at the Trump rally? Puerto Ricans are garbage. There were also non comedians that said racist shit and all of it was vetted by the Trump campaign.

They keep crying people shouldn't get so offended. Remember the Al Smith dinner that Harris turned down? What if she did attend and said the following...

I'm so glad to be at this dinner to prove we can all take a joke. I brought a guest with me the porn star Rocco Siffredi (turn towards Malania) you know, Melania in case you wanted to get a little payback.

Question: Would not conservatives have the biggest meltdown in history?

Agreed.

Russell Peters tells racist jokes. He's a professional comedian. He's Indian. Some of his earlier shows had racist stereotypes of Indians and Chinese. Some of my Chinese friends took offense at it, but I never did. It's comedy.

However, if Kamala Harris said some of the things Russell Peters did, that would be extremely out of place.


Regarding the debate, Ryan Girdusky is just a racist asshole. That was a completely uncalled for comment. He clearly was saying Mehdi Hasan should have died. Even if you want to try to spin it as comedy, it was a damn political talk show, not comedy night at a Vegas strip club. There was no damn place for that comment.

I don't always agree with Mehdi Hasan, but I find him to be highly intelligent, and his pieces and commentary are well thought out. And like him, I support Palestinians because I feel they are an oppressed people. That doesn't make me a terrorist. It doesn't mean I deserve to die. And by no means is Hasan pro-terrorist. He's spoken out against Saudi Arabian actions on different occasions. Again, I do not agree with everything said by Hasan, but he is not a terrorist. He does not deserve to die. To even suggest that is abhorrent.


In fairness to Abby Phillips and CNN, she has stated that they did ask Hasan to return to the show, but he declined.
 
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VashHT

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Agreed.

Russell Peters tells racist jokes. He's a professional comedian. He's Indian. Some of his earlier shows had racist stereotypes of Indians and Chinese. Some of my Chinese friends took offense at it, but I never did. It's comedy.

However, if Kamala Harris said some of the things Russell Peters did, that would be extremely out of place.
I saw Russell Peters last Friday in Chicago, he still makes a lot of jokes about people's race and you're right it would have no place at a political rally. Sadly, he also went into politics a bit and claimed both Kamala and Trump are dumb and it doesn't matter who wins, so that was really disappointing.
 
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HomerJS

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Agreed.

Russell Peters tells racist jokes. He's a professional comedian. He's Indian. Some of his earlier shows had racist stereotypes of Indians and Chinese. Some of my Chinese friends took offense at it, but I never did. It's comedy.

However, if Kamala Harris said some of the things Russell Peters did, that would be extremely out of place.


Regarding the debate, Ryan Girdusky is just a racist asshole. That was a completely uncalled for comment. He clearly was saying Mehdi Hasan should have died. Even if you want to try to spin it as comedy, it was a damn political talk show, not comedy night at a Vegas strip club. There was no damn place for that comment.

I don't always agree with Mehdi Hasan, but I find him to be highly intelligent, and his pieces and commentary are well thought out. And like him, I support Palestinians because I feel they are an oppressed people. That doesn't make me a terrorist. It doesn't mean I deserve to die. And by no means is Hasan pro-terrorist. He's spoken out against Saudi Arabian actions on different occasions. Again, I do not agree with everything said by Hasan, but he is not a terrorist. He does not deserve to die. To even suggest that is abhorrent.


In fairness to Abby Phillips and CNN, she has stated that they did ask Hasan to return to the show, but he declined.
Thx for clarification
 

fskimospy

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I saw Russell Peters last Friday in Chicago, he still makes a lot of jokes about people's race and you're right it would have no place at a political rally. Sadly, he also went into politics a bit and claimed both Kamala and Trump are dumb and it doesn't matter who wins, so that was really disappointing.
'Both sides are the same so it doesn't matter' has done more damage to America in the last 25 years than almost any other political idea.

I thought GWB killed that off then he turned the whole 2000 'both sides are the same' shit into the worst terrorist attack in US history, followed by two ruinous wars, followed by the greatest economic collapse in our lifetimes. Apparently not.
 

ch33zw1z

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As a note, Greenman probably won't see your comment. He probably has you on ignore. At the very least, he had me on ignore, because I've called him out on his outright deplorable opinions. If he has you on ignore, in his little mind, he can pretend no one is calling him out on his crappy stances. He's not looking for a debate, he's just here to push an agenda.
Yep, he can keep me out of his safe space, the snowflake he is.
 

Moonbeam

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No idea who Girdusky is, but that was an epic line. I was laughing before I even watched the clip.

Let the righteous indignation flow!

No, I think the line was a great shot though.
I think the reason I can't embrace liberalism is because I can't give up my sense of humor.

Like I said, no sense of humor at all. You fellows traded it for outrage and got the short end of the stick.
In fskimospy's, in my opinion brilliantly insightful post 42 of this thread noting that no joke was actually made, he also mentioned the transgressive nature of humor. I want to add my take on that:

Humor, to me is like enlightenment, a sudden shift from one emotional state one habituated attitude to another state, unanticipated and forbidden in our ordinary consciousness. In my opinion then, to experience humor is to experience the release of tension created by the usual requirement to suppress a taboo emotional state. In short humor occurs when suppressed emotions and in particular hostile rage are allowed to manifest safely sanitized by the sudden shift of of attitude. The the tension toward the taboo is suddenly shifted and releases as a new way of seeing the situation appears.

The situation is hopeless but not serious. Life's a bitch and then you die. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all.

How do humans tolerate the inevitably of suffering and the foreknowledge of our deaths.

To be, or not to be, that is the question:

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause—there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.
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Isn't the great task in life the inner realization of equanimity in in the face of death made possible only by surrender to fate, itself made possible by the death of the sense of self as separate from everything else that can only be transcended by the enlightened experience that one's self and everything else is a hallucination and deeply implanted misconception of reality, accompanied inevitably by rage at the circumstances by which our sense of ego, the feeling of separation was instilled.

So I suggest to you that your honest statement, 'let the righteous indignation flow' is part and parcel of that suppressed unconscious rage, that your satisfaction in the flow of indignation is just more of the same from you, that you too are full of suppressed righteous indignation and hate that fact so much in others you won't allow yourself to see it unless expressed in a form you can see as humorous and thus have that need. How did you come to imagine yourself different than everyone else, that like them you will not see your own self hate projected out there like we all do?

Righteous indignation is the result of egotistical pride, and that demands ignorance of one's condition. You can't condemn others to the short end of the stick without feeling that need, the need to condemn what would be you if you were able to look in the mirror.

We are what we hate or there would be no contempt at all. But the realization that you and everything else is one and the same changes everything. You haven't yet gotten the joke. Here's one I like:

“Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee
And I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.”

― Robert Frost
 

Moonbeam

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It's funny because it shows how we claim to hate death and destruction yet we can't watch or read enough about it. . no joke there.
There is a current Jordan Peterson thread in which one of his posts is offered up for comment. In it he describes the anthropologically based observation that chimps will glue onto observing snakes closely and intently if they come to their attention. He attributes this to a millions of years old battle between reptiles and mammals. It is also a scientifically verified fact that conservatives more than liberals are more magnetized by and will focus more on images of negative things, liberals preferring to view beauty more generally. I do think some of us more than others have brains that are attuned that way. It can easily be tied to genetics, but I think it more likely to more or less threat exposure in childhood. Once bitten twice shy.
 

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There is a current Jordan Peterson thread in which one of his posts is offered up for comment. In it he describes the anthropologically based observation that chimps will glue onto observing snakes closely and intently if they come to their attention. He attributes this to a millions of years old battle between reptiles and mammals. It is also a scientifically verified fact that conservatives more than liberals are more magnetized by and will focus more on images of negative things, liberals preferring to view beauty more generally. I do think some of us more than others have brains that are attuned that way. It can easily be tied to genetics, but I think it more likely to more or less threat exposure in childhood. Once bitten twice shy.
I think our genetics (correctly, from an evolutionary perspective) make us respond to threats and negativity far more than positive ones. After all when it’s life and death one mistake is the end of it.

I think liberalism faces an uphill battle because people are fundamentally distrustful of the idea that life can ever be better despite ample evidence to the contrary.
 
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Moonbeam

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PS: now that I think about it, it might account for liberal focus of Trump, and his viper's nest.

Edit, not that liberals believe the worst but that they too can get magnetized by dangerous things especially objectively dangerous things.
 
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HomerJS

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I saw Russell Peters last Friday in Chicago, he still makes a lot of jokes about people's race and you're right it would have no place at a political rally. Sadly, he also went into politics a bit and claimed both Kamala and Trump are dumb and it doesn't matter who wins, so that was really disappointing.
Jokes are usually based in some truth. Despite supporting Harris I haven’t seen anything she’s said or done considered “ dumb” other than Trump calling her low IQ

Maybe someone can clue me in
 

BoomerD

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I see this differently than most of you do. What the guy said wasn't that funny...and was highly inappropriate, but wasn't wishing death on the other guy.
 

eelw

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Jokes are usually based in some truth. Despite supporting Harris I haven’t seen anything she’s said or done considered “ dumb” other than Trump calling her low IQ

Maybe someone can clue me in
Yup if greenie wants us to respect his opinion, he needs to list how she’s worse than the orange monkey.
 

Moonbeam

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PS: now that I think about it, it might account for liberal focus of Trump, and his viper's nest
I attribute that to the a deeply repressed feeling we don't deserve it, using the left brain's capacity, using language to note difference, to analyze, dissect, divide, and categorize, coupled with magical thinking, that our personal acquired sense of evil is responsible for everything, a feeling so consciously painful it has to be suppressed in order long ago to survive. It's easy to be told you deserve to get even for your personal suffering, not so easy to know you were never evil in the first place. My take on it.

At a more rudimentary level, it is easy to observe how people with self esteem issues manifest self defeating behaviors, something most people can see absent any curiosity about who else might feel that way.

When I experienced existential angst as a young man and sought the very thing that could make people trust life was good I lost all faith that any such truth exists. The realization I came to was that the universe is totally indifferent to human aspirations that are created by the desire to find love. The hopelessness that resulted shut the door for me on that path. In the very moment I surrendered to nihilism I had a realization that everything I had lost owing to the indifference of the universe was still meaningful to me. I saw in a flash that everything I had thought I had lost was always there within me. The heart with which I thought God loved me was the same heart with which I loved Him. There is only love.
 

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The vast majority of the best comedians are not conservative, in fact the opposite. Conservatives really only enjoy the most racist, bigoted and sexist humor, because they are shitstains on society, like @Greenman shows us constantly. They are defective humans that simply can't evolve past the worst instincts of human beings - they are rotten to the core and all belong in Siberia, with their true countrymen.

Folks like @Greenman love trump because he is so shitty. it's who they are. the more horrible Trump is, the more they love him. they are, as history has shown, just the routine monsters that are the stains on history books time and time again.
 

Moonbeam

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Jokes are usually based in some truth. Despite supporting Harris I haven’t seen anything she’s said or done considered “ dumb” other than Trump calling her low IQ

Maybe someone can clue me in
It is natural to assume Trump support with stupidity. But highly intelligent people can be as ego driven as anybody else and are mentally endowed with a capacity to spin elaborate and self convincing rationalizations to support such thinking. For example Jordan Peterson in the link provided in a contemporary thread about him, he suggests there is no correlation between IQ and morality and while it is obvious to me he possesses a high IQ in other videos he lays out all manner of reasons why if he were an American voter he would vote for Trump. What this demonstrates in spades to me is there is no correlation between IQ and rational thinking. His reasoning, so convincing to him, is to my way of seeing a profoundly absurd. Notice this does not make him wrong also about no link between IQ and morality. It affirms it.
 

Moonbeam

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The vast majority of the best comedians are not conservative, in fact the opposite. Conservatives really only enjoy the most racist, bigoted and sexist humor, because they are shitstains on society, like @Greenman shows us constantly. They are defective humans that simply can't evolve past the worst instincts of human beings - they are rotten to the core and all belong in Siberia, with their true countrymen.

Folks like @Greenman love trump because he is so shitty. it's who they are. the more horrible Trump is, the more they love him. they are, as history has shown, just the routine monsters that are the stains on history books time and time again.
Yup they are full of the innate instincts that helped us survive for millions of years without having to think. You would not be here without them. Good thing a donkey can't kick itself in the teeth. Probably a poor choice as a mascot for liberals. You sometimes remind me of the archetypal description of people who can't punch their way our of a paper bag. I like to scream curses at my shadow when it scares me. Very self fulfilling.