ALIENWARE REACTS- DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SLI AND VIDEO ARRAY,... BUT WHERE´S ATI?

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: apoppin
insult myself by repeating kindly for some who has no attention span and faulty comprehension? i don't think so.

i repeat? . . . Wow! Mr Pot calls Mr Kettle "black"

:roll:

lol.. show me once where i copied and pasted a previous statement - err.. an entire post, as you did. nope, seems you're the pot AND the kettle...

as i said b4, i am outta here. Time will prove sli IS a "big deal" . . . i won't waste anymore of mine with U since you clearly do not understand this discussion.

As to "Ati's performance crown making a difference to their bottom line" - It DID. You arre uninformed, reever

aloha

edit; Sorry i couldn't provide more entertainment for you, CaiNaM; you're pretty entertaining yourself - in a juvenile way.

well, i for one am glad you have something else to do, but it's sad, really.. that you provide such a lack of challenge that's it's simply too boring for me to continue replying to you. it's not very sporting to beat up on the defenseless, so I must stop....

perhaps you can come back when you are armed, and we can partake in a more challenging dialog, but it's likely i must simply admit some weapons simply aren't available to you. for that, you have my pity.

 

[reever]

i won't waste anymore of mine with U since you clearly do not understand this discussion.

to me there is no discussion, just *some* people rabidly posting over an opinion not based on any facts, trends, and with no advance knowledge of the future

If you want a timeline of when SLI will come just look at this chart http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0630/kaigai02l.gif

I would hold your undebatable opinion until atleast Q2 of 2005

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You sure IGNORED my post.

SLI will kill ati UNLESS ati responds with their OWN maxx-type solution

With this simple stroke of Genius, nVidia CONVINCINGLy takes the Performance Crown AWAY from ati.

It is GONE . . . so gone

and UNLESS ati responds - nVidia ADDS to their botom line while ati loses.

Get it yet?

I get, I understand it, but I disagree...

In the pro market it will help, and SLI rocks for those that can afford it. I might even get a rig like this myself if they are still doing it next gen - I have already pre-orderd a BFG 6800 Ultra OC (AGP) from an online price gouger, and that is what I will be sticking with fior now. My point is not so much that SLI isn't cool, but more that most people (home users) won't buy it. It is pricey in itself and requires expensive hardware to support it. Aside from that, I have no idea what segment of the market uses the pro cards and how many of these will go for SLI, but I imagine quite a few. Buzzwords like "upgradable" and "scalability" go really far in the business sector.

Also, in regards to awarding the performance crown, one could argue that by pairing two cards together nVidiia is cheating since it doesn't mean that their gpu is the fastest... Or you could look at the fact that the total performance is awesome and call it a day. I think either argument has merit, and the customer will ultimately have to decide what suits their needs.

I said in my very first post on this subject was that I'm on the fence about SLI. Maybe this is because my first vid card was a TNT2, and I never really lived through the 3Dfx glory days. No, I'm not that young, I just built my first PC myself (I've never owned anyhting from an OEM) when I was 24, so I got into the hardware end of it later than some.

Anyone calling me a fanATIc because I'm not on the rooftops screaming that SLI is here, so everyone should prepare for the rapture needs to ask me how much I coughed up for the 6800U I have on pre-order. (hint: it's over MSRP)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: apoppin
insult myself by repeating kindly for some who has no attention span and faulty comprehension? i don't think so.

i repeat? . . . Wow! Mr Pot calls Mr Kettle "black"

:roll:

lol.. show me once where i copied and pasted a previous statement - err.. an entire post, as you did. nope, seems you're the pot AND the kettle...

as i said b4, i am outta here. Time will prove sli IS a "big deal" . . . i won't waste anymore of mine with U since you clearly do not understand this discussion.

As to "Ati's performance crown making a difference to their bottom line" - It DID. You arre uninformed, reever

aloha

edit; Sorry i couldn't provide more entertainment for you, CaiNaM; you're pretty entertaining yourself - in a juvenile way.

well, i for one am glad you have something else to do, but it's sad, really.. that you provide such a lack of challenge that's it's simply too boring for me to continue replying to you. it's not very sporting to beat up on the defenseless, so I must stop....

perhaps you can come back when you are armed, and we can partake in a more challenging dialog, but it's likely i must simply admit some weapons simply aren't available to you. for that, you have my pity.

i just had to log back in . . .. not for you since you are completely hopeless . . . but for the OTHER forum members who might be confused. From looking at your other posts, you seem to be (one of) the biggest spreader and originater of FUD and MISinformation in Video.

You have clearly posted FUD as fact. . . . i have also seen OTHERs try and refute your lies with facts but you are either purposely ignore them and dance around the topics or you rode (ride?) the Short Bus to school.

either way, i see i am wasting my time with you and will IGNORE all further posts from you.

OTOH, if ANYone else wants a REASONABLE discussion with facts and links i have been and am always available.

NOW i really gotta go.

edit: nitromullet, you say "I get, I understand it, but I disagree..." then you say "t I'm on the fence about SLI"

Clearly the only disagreement we have is in DEGREES of how important SLI will be. I am quite certain it will be a "big deal". That's all (folks)

How MUCh did you pay for your 6800u?

:Q

i'm sticking with my 9800xt.

 

[reever]

if ANYone else wants a REASONABLE discussion with facts and links i have been and am always available.

Funny you ask for this when you have shown throughout this thread that you don't have any links or facts to assert your claims that this is the be all end all of the gpu battle

Also funny how you post about patience but can't wait past 1 post before posting again with your fanboy rhetoric

 

[GeneralGrievous]

ATI had the performance crown for 2 years, yet it didn't have a huge effect simply because nvidia retains the low-end market, something SLI is not going to help

I disagree. It helped immensely. The 9700 and 9800's domination increased ATI's revenue multiple times over.

My problem with SLI is while it might be great for a short while, next generation cards will be more than 1.9x faster than your 6800 cards and shortly after than you'll end up with 2 worthless cards instead of 1. Your 6800 GT is todays ti4200, your 6800 vanilla is an utter piece of trash.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: reever

if ANYone else wants a REASONABLE discussion with facts and links i have been and am always available.

Funny you ask for this when you have shown throughout this thread that you don't have any links or facts to assert your claims that this is the be all end all of the gpu battle

Also funny how you post about patience but can't wait past 1 post before posting again with your fanboy rhetoric

i do . . . I DO . . . So what do you wanna know?



:roll:

edit: and can it WAIT until THurSdaY?

Funny, that i am NOT an nVidiot .. . i just ADMIRE this card and their 'thinking' (for a change).

You are mixing me up with someone else (CaiNaM) who posts several times in a row.

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

ATI had the performance crown for 2 years, yet it didn't have a huge effect simply because nvidia retains the low-end market, something SLI is not going to help

I disagree. It helped immensely. The 9700 and 9800's domination increased ATI's revenue multiple times over.

My problem with SLI is while it might be great for a short while, next generation cards will be more than 1.9x faster than your 6800 cards and shortly after than you'll end up with 2 worthless cards instead of 1. Your 6800 GT is todays ti4200, your 6800 vanilla is an utter piece of trash.

Don't forget, you might eventually throw the cards away, but you'll still have the MB and "setup" for your next two cards (or, one at a time per UPgrading).

 

[nitromullet]

edit: nitromullet, you say "I get, I understand it, but I disagree..." then you say "t I'm on the fence about SLI"

Clearly the only disagreement we have is in DEGREES of how important SLI will be. I am quite certain it will be a "big deal". That's all (folks)

How MUCh did you pay for your 6800u?

That would be a fair assessement. ...$580 (already deducted from my Paypal acct) and the ETA just got bumped again...
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190436
I'm not sure I would trust any other online retailer other than Newegg with this type of transaction, but I've done business with Monarch before and they are local to me so I know where to find them.

Your 6800 GT is todays ti4200, your 6800 vanilla is an utter piece of trash.

This assessment is a bit off IMHO. The GT will probably be tomorrow's ti4200 (great bang/buck). Right now the 9800 Pro has that title. As far as rating the vanilla 6800, we should wait and see how ATi's $300 entry stacks up before reaching any hasty conclusions.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

This assessment is a bit off IMHO. The GT will probably be tomorrow's ti4200 (great bang/buck). Right now the 9800 Pro has that title. As far as rating the vanilla 6800, we should wait and see how ATi's $300 entry stacks up before reaching any hasty conclusions.

I am talking about 2 generations from now. When the next generation comes around, the GT is the current 9800 Pro. That's about the time you buy a second card to SLI (2 9800 pros would rock for farcry, doom 3, etc). The GT will probably be around $200 then more or less. Now, fast forward to the 2nd generation from now. The GT is now at best a budget value card (ti4200). The Ultra becomes your ti4400 of today (an overpriced garbage card). Now if you took the ti4200 of today (which is realistically a rather slow piece of hardware), and cut it down 30% (the performance gap between 6800 and gt), what do you have? Something akin to an MX or a radeon 9200. It doesn't matter what ati's $300 card is (if they make one). Anything worse than a ti4200 today is considered a nongaming card.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I am talking about 2 generations from now. When the next generation comes around, the GT is the current 9800 Pro. That's about the time you buy a second card to SLI (2 9800 pros would rock for farcry, doom 3, etc). The GT will probably be around $200 then more or less. Now, fast forward to the 2nd generation from now. The GT is now at best a budget value card (ti4200). The Ultra becomes your ti4400 of today (an overpriced garbage card). Now if you took the ti4200 of today (which is realistically a rather slow piece of hardware), and cut it down 30% (the performance gap between 6800 and gt), what do you have? Something akin to an MX or a radeon 9200. It doesn't matter what ati's $300 card is (if they make one). Anything worse than a ti4200 today is considered a nongaming card.

I would compare it more to a 9700 instead of the ti4200. The 9700 was released around August 2002 which is nearly 2 years ago. And a 9700 can still be considered a fairly powerful card. So the argument would be more like:

If PCI-E and SLI were available on a 9700 two years ago and I wanted to consider an upgrade today, would I purchase another 9700 and overclock/SLI them, or ditch it and buy a single 6800/XT800. A tough decision.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I am talking about 2 generations from now. When the next generation comes around, the GT is the current 9800 Pro. That's about the time you buy a second card to SLI (2 9800 pros would rock for farcry, doom 3, etc). The GT will probably be around $200 then more or less. Now, fast forward to the 2nd generation from now. The GT is now at best a budget value card (ti4200). The Ultra becomes your ti4400 of today (an overpriced garbage card). Now if you took the ti4200 of today (which is realistically a rather slow piece of hardware), and cut it down 30% (the performance gap between 6800 and gt), what do you have? Something akin to an MX or a radeon 9200. It doesn't matter what ati's $300 card is (if they make one). Anything worse than a ti4200 today is considered a nongaming card.

I would compare it more to a 9700 instead of the ti4200. The 9700 was released around August 2002 which is nearly 2 years ago. And a 9700 can still be considered a fairly powerful card. So the argument would be more like:

If PCI-E and SLI were available on a 9700 two years ago and I wanted to consider an upgrade today, would I purchase another 9700 and overclock/SLI them, or ditch it and buy a single 6800/XT800. A tough decision.

well, frankly taking up multiple slots shouldn't be an issue (except perhaps with the SFF fans), but it's a tuff call.. assuming you could get the same 1.8/1.9x performance nvidia claims (only in 3dmark), it's still a tossup.. cost would be similar, tho adding the second card would be much less of a hassle as you would avoid having to sell the old one and buying the new one.. but then again the single slot would be much cooler had have lower power requirements than 2 seperate cards... assuiming the price/performance being similar i would prefer the single card solution myself (cooler, likely quieter, and lower power requirements), but i can also see arguments for going the "second card" path.. of course, if the next gen offers additional feature enhancements, i'd go new gen all the way..