I think everyone has gotten spoiled with being able to build sub-$1000 systems. Honestly, there are people are are willing to invest $2000+ into a high-end system. An additional $400-$500 for a second video card is not that far out of line. An AMD 64/3500+ with 1GB of mem, 250GB HDD, DVD-RW, nice mobo, and a pair of 6800s is still cheaper than a Mac.
I think everyone has gotten spoiled with being able to build sub-$1000 systems. Honestly, there are people are are willing to invest $2000+ into a high-end system. An additional $400-$500 for a second video card is not that far out of line. An AMD 64/3500+ with 1GB of mem, 250GB HDD, DVD-RW, nice mobo, and a pair of 6800s is still cheaper than a Mac.
apoppin
Lifer
Quote something more CREDIBLE than another forum discussion.
:roll:
you are grasping at straws.
edit: any "default" to nv30 codepaths is because of an UNoptimized code for nv40 . . . keep goin', you're proving MY point.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Its not that I ignored them. I just didn't think they were worth acknowledgment. And I would like to ask you at this time that instead of me showing you market studies and references, I would ask that you show all of us what your talking about. Your always asking to be shown something for "proof?" if you will. I think its time you show us something concrete for a change.
Thsi way, when you post something you think is proof, it can then be torn apart which is a very easy thing to do for anyone. Dont ask me for proof of something that you only intend to pick apart letter by letter.
Best Regards,
Keys
history has shown that it's never been more of a niche market.. it was certainly cool, and a few besides myself has dual voodoo's, but we were the minority...
wicked had sli technology ready and working, but never made it to market...
those are basis in fact which i am referring to. your only response has been "the market has changed", but that's hardly based in anything other than your personal opinion - which is why i asked for something valid to support your opinion.
i don't see why that's so unreasonable...
apoppin
Lifer
What YOU are forgetting that nVidia's "niche" - already overwhelming in Pro 3d Workstationa - is now LOCKED down by SLI.Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Its not that I ignored them. I just didn't think they were worth acknowledgment. And I would like to ask you at this time that instead of me showing you market studies and references, I would ask that you show all of us what your talking about. Your always asking to be shown something for "proof?" if you will. I think its time you show us something concrete for a change.
Thsi way, when you post something you think is proof, it can then be torn apart which is a very easy thing to do for anyone. Dont ask me for proof of something that you only intend to pick apart letter by letter.
Best Regards,
Keys
history has shown that it's never been more of a niche market.. it was certainly cool, and a few besides myself has dual voodoo's, but we were the minority...
wicked had sli technology ready and working, but never made it to market...
those are basis in fact which i am referring to. your only response has been "the market has changed", but that's hardly based in anything other than your personal opinion - which is why i asked for something valid to support your opinion.
i don't see why that's so unreasonable...
And the highest end gamers - while not a huge market (yet) - has big bucks to spend. it is also growing.
BUT that is NOT the POINT. With this simple stroke, nVidia CONVINCINGLY Regains the performance crown. Unless ATI answers with their own MAXX-type soultion, their HIGHEST-END solution gets EATEN ALIVE by nVidia's.
NvIdia's Marketing can confidently state: "The FASTEST graphics solution (period)"
Ati will fall to 2nd best.
That is ultimately worth BIG BUX to thei bottom lines.
:roll:
Think BIGGer!
thanks nitro...
i'm not trying to knock nvidia at all. again, i think SLI is quite interesting, and am impressed with nvidia for a bit of innovation - the gfx card market has been rather ho hum in terms of something different.
i just find it funny how everyone is saying "ati needs to respond", "this will kill ati", and so on and so forth.. and predicting SLI will have an impact of significance.
i truly think this will be good for gfx workstation, but i really don't see a huge impact in gaming - we like coolness, but we like it cheap. why do you think overclocking cpus/gpus/memory is so damn popular? the majority of the market simply doesn't have the kind of disposible income to invest in high cost/high maintenacne solutions - we want it cheap, and we want it simple. SLI offers neither.
apoppin
Lifer
You sure IGNORED my post.
SLI will kill ati UNLESS ati responds with their OWN maxx-type solution
With this simple stroke of Genius, nVidia CONVINCINGLy takes the Performance Crown AWAY from ati.
It is GONE . . . so gone
and UNLESS ati responds - nVidia ADDS to their botom line while ati loses.
Get it yet?
Originally posted by: apoppin
even 2-3% IS significant.
nVidia has a WINNER and you FANatiC guys are sick they they have to FOLLOW nVidia's LEAD (this time).
:roll:
not hardly.. you're talking to someone who loved his nv35 (even tho i had a 9800p and a 9700p).
if a dual 6800 setup makes sense, i'd certainly get it. i could afford an XT or ULTRA right now, but for me (i have a PRO i picked up for $350; i'd have preordered the $299 BB deal if it was avail. for more than a few hours) it just doesn't make sense to pay over MSRP.. i'll wait till prices are reasonable, or at least the benefits justify the cost.
Optimised code would simply be the R300 codepath, but it doesn't use it or anything similar to it
How will it kill Ati, do you have any specifics of how it will go about doing this, or do you just think everybody is going to stop what their doing and save up to get an SLI machine with dual 6800's before it even comes out and before it's even on ANY other cards?
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
CaiNaM,
You make some valid points, but I'd council you to never say never
Once again Dell wouldn't be making a high-end, customizable, gaming machine if there wasn't a demand for them
but i'm not saying it "can't" or "won't" happen.. rather it's unlikely based on facts and backed up by history. there are certainly valid reasons for an SLI setup, but beyond gfx workstations, i just don't see it as having a significant impact... it's more a banner for nvidia's fanboys to wave, and they've certainly taken advantage of it
those that state "this is cool" and "i like having these options" or "i'm gonna wait for pci-e and get a 6800" won't hear an argument from me, but those that wave the banner and say "ati is going down" certainly will.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Check the LATEST benchs, yourself - the 6800u is alrady "caught up". The 6800 will pull ahead as nVidia optimizes their drivers. Unfortunately - for ati - the X800 drivers are already optimized. You'll see.
:roll:
actually that's an erroneous statement. ati's drivers are only about 70% efficient with the new memory architecture - a subsystem which for some reason many overlook as providing a large impact on overall performance. i'm sure there are other things they can work on as well.
hardly. the other 99% would be considered significant
i've already stated several times this is where i think it makes some sense and see the most benefit....
This is a BIG deal . . . ati will have to follow with their own solution if they want to stay competitive.
not if we're talking about the overall gaming market (the other 99% you somehow overlook).
apoppin
Lifer
You have it EXACTLY backwards.Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: apoppin
Check the LATEST benchs, yourself - the 6800u is alrady "caught up". The 6800 will pull ahead as nVidia optimizes their drivers. Unfortunately - for ati - the X800 drivers are already optimized. You'll see.
:roll:
actually that's an erroneous statement. ati's drivers are only about 70% efficient with the new memory architecture - a subsystem which for some reason many overlook as providing a large impact on overall performance. i'm sure there are other things they can work on as well.
:roll:
and i'll try AGAIN:
What YOU are forgetting that nVidia's "niche" - already overwhelming in Pro 3d Workstationa - is now LOCKED down by SLI.
And the highest end gamers - while not a huge market (yet) - has big bucks to spend. it is also growing.
BUT that is NOT the POINT. With this simple stroke, nVidia CONVINCINGLY Regains the performance crown. Unless ATI answers with their own MAXX-type soultion, their HIGHEST-END solution gets EATEN ALIVE by nVidia's.
NvIdia's Marketing can confidently state: "The FASTEST graphics solution (period)"
Ati will fall to 2nd best.
That is ultimately worth BIG BUX to thei bottom lines.
:roll:
R.S.V.P.
Originally posted by: apoppin
What YOU are forgetting that nVidia's "niche" - already overwhelming in Pro 3d Workstationa - is now LOCKED down by SLI.
no, what you are lacking is reading comprehension. i'll mention (again) that i see this has benefits in the gfx workstation market.
based on what? the SFF and mobile market are the biggest growth markets, neither of which is conducive to an SLI configuration.
[/quote]BUT that is NOT the POINT. With this simple stroke, nVidia CONVINCINGLY Regains the performance crown. Unless ATI answers with their own MAXX-type soultion, their HIGHEST-END solution gets EATEN ALIVE by nVidia's.[/quote]
regains what? where are the benchmarks? where are the cards?
no they can't. they may be able to when/if the solution to make it to market (which at this point they're having trouble just getting nv40 to market) - the analogy here is like blowing your wad before you get tho home plate
if that happens, they will simply be where they were before r300. so what? kudos to nvidia for climbing back out of the hole they dug for themselves. to me, that's a good thing. frankly, unlike you it makes no difference to me who is #1. i actually have a life
That is ultimately worth BIG BUX to thei bottom lines.
it may or may not.. time will tell.
it only has to do with the first part. "think".... you should try that
Originally posted by: apoppin
You sure IGNORED my post.
SLI will kill ati UNLESS ati responds with their OWN maxx-type solution
With this simple stroke of Genius, nVidia CONVINCINGLy takes the Performance Crown AWAY from ati.
It is GONE . . . so gone
and UNLESS ati responds - nVidia ADDS to their botom line while ati loses.
Get it yet?
do i get your fanboy rubbish? i certainly do... while you certainly play a good part in the cheering section, you haven't impressed with any logical thought process. get it?
When there's a game that the XT can't play with max eye candy on perhaps this SLI thing might become actually worthwhile.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
What YOU are forgetting that nVidia's "niche" - already overwhelming in Pro 3d Workstationa - is now LOCKED down by SLI.
no, what you are lacking is reading comprehension. i'll mention (again) that i see this has benefits in the gfx workstation market.
based on what? the SFF and mobile market are the biggest growth markets, neither of which is conducive to an SLI configuration.have you no comprehension? REread my quote -slowly
[/quote]BUT that is NOT the POINT. With this simple stroke, nVidia CONVINCINGLY Regains the performance crown. Unless ATI answers with their own MAXX-type soultion, their HIGHEST-END solution gets EATEN ALIVE by nVidia's.[/quote]
regains what? where are the benchmarks? where are the cards?The PERFORMANCE CROWN; patience, topic-hopper
no they can't. they may be able to when/if the solution to make it to market (which at this point they're having trouble just getting nv40 to market) - the analogy here is like blowing your wad before you get tho home plate
nV40 IS here. OPEN youreyes; You blow your wad b4 getting to homeplate? :Q
if that happens, they will simply be where they were before r300. so what? kudos to nvidia for climbing back out of the hole they dug for themselves. to me, that's a good thing. frankly, unlike you it makes no difference to me who is #1. i actually have a life
what a LIE! you are posting HERE - you have NO life. Perhaps "good" for nVidia but BAD for ati - Believe me they WILL respond with their own MAXX
That is ultimately worth BIG BUX to thei bottom lines.
it may or may not.. time will tell. it HAS told before and history has a way or repeating itself - like you - over and over
it only has to do with the first part. "think".... you should try that
[/quote]If you could get help for your Attention Deficit Disorder, you might have coherent posts.
:roll:
i'm outta here. Got Thief III to play . . . the games AI is more interesting than some of the posts here.
You are an ati fanboy.
Originally posted by: apoppin
You have it EXACTLY backwards.Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: apoppin
Check the LATEST benchs, yourself - the 6800u is alrady "caught up". The 6800 will pull ahead as nVidia optimizes their drivers. Unfortunately - for ati - the X800 drivers are already optimized. You'll see.
:roll:
actually that's an erroneous statement. ati's drivers are only about 70% efficient with the new memory architecture - a subsystem which for some reason many overlook as providing a large impact on overall performance. i'm sure there are other things they can work on as well.
:roll:
and i'll try AGAIN:
What YOU are forgetting that nVidia's "niche" - already overwhelming in Pro 3d Workstationa - is now LOCKED down by SLI.
And the highest end gamers - while not a huge market (yet) - has big bucks to spend. it is also growing.
BUT that is NOT the POINT. With this simple stroke, nVidia CONVINCINGLY Regains the performance crown. Unless ATI answers with their own MAXX-type soultion, their HIGHEST-END solution gets EATEN ALIVE by nVidia's.
NvIdia's Marketing can confidently state: "The FASTEST graphics solution (period)"
Ati will fall to 2nd best.
That is ultimately worth BIG BUX to thei bottom lines.
:roll:
R.S.V.P.
you insult yourself by having to repeat your previous post "verbatim" and offering nothing more than reusing the same tactic over and over (akin to beating at a steel door with a wooden spoon, thinking "one more time and i'll succeed!"). this reminds me of a somewhat common saying: "stupidity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results."
What? How come 3dfx only had ONE series of cards that used SLI. If it was as successful as you claim it to be, they would have continued the trend into the future, yet they didn't, and ultimately went under
SLI is not here. Motherboards that can utilize this feature are not here. SLI connectors are not here. OEM's providing this are not here. How do you not understand that?
If you were as "patient" as you say you are you would have summed up all of your thoughts into ONE post, instead of making flame after flame over an opinion you believe you believe to be as gospel.
ATI had the performance crown for 2 years, yet it didn't have a huge effect simply because nvidia retains the low-end market, something SLI is not going to help
Originally posted by: apoppin
<snip>If you could get help for your Attention Deficit Disorder, you might have coherent posts.
:roll:
i'm outta here. Got Thief III to play . . . the games AI is more interesting than some of the posts here.
You are an ati fanboy.
i cut the majority of your post as you can't seem to figure out how to make a "quote" readable...
while i find it amusing you call me an "ati fanboy" (the ati fanboys call me an nvidia fanboy), but unfortunately, not only do you fail to provide anything resembling coherent to back up your biased fanboy rantings; sadder still, you are now even failing miserably at providing entertainment.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
insult myself by repeating kindly for some who has no attention span and faulty comprehension? i don't think so.
i repeat? . . . Wow! Mr Pot calls Mr Kettle "black"
:roll:
as i said b4, i am outta here. Time will prove sli IS a "big deal" . . . i won't waste anymore of mine with U since you clearly do not understand this discussion.
As to "Ati's performance crown making a difference to their bottom line" - It DID. You arre uninformed, reever
aloha
edit; Sorry i couldn't provide more entertainment for you, CaiNaM; you're pretty entertaining yourself - in a juvenile way.
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