Discussion Alder Lake - Builders Thread

[AdamK47]

This thread is for those of us that own or are looking to get an Alder Lake CPU.

Bought mine on release day. 12900K. Memory selection was limited to only Crucial DDR5 4800 at the Micro Center I went to. Bought two 2 x 8GB kits. Motherboard is a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master. I did buy a 360mm Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO. Ended up returning it since the Lian Li Socket 1700 backplate that I bought separately worked well with my NZXT Kraken X73.

 

[igor_kavinski]

CPU warranty gets voided once you push the CPU mem controller past 3200MT/s, no matter the voltages.

Crazy! You are right. I had no idea that even enabling XMP voids warranty! So THAT'S why it's disabled by default. Intel is so sneaky and maliciously clever to design this deceptive way of absolving themselves of warranty claims.

 

[Markfw]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-alder-lake-stock-heatsink-tested

It may look cheap but still a big improvement over their past stock heatsinks.

3100 loud fan !!!! Still crap

 

[igor_kavinski]

3100 loud fan !!!! Still crap

By the way, are you sure that the 12700F is not throttling itself down due to the tiny stock heatsink? Intel expects this heatsink to be sufficient for normal use but DC work is anything but normal. If you asked Intel, they would probably tell you to buy one of their workstation Xeon CPUs for 24/7 use.

 

[Markfw]

By the way, are you sure that the 12700F is not throttling itself down due to the tiny stock heatsink? Intel expects this heatsink to be sufficient for normal use but DC work is anything but normal. If you asked Intel, they would probably tell you to buy one of their workstation Xeon CPUs for 24/7 use.

I have a $45 heating. When I get home from er I should take pic

 

[DrMrLordX]

@DrMrLordX . There is a TINY box on the quick bios that says X.M.P. and it was disabled. I changed it to enabled, and booted, and its running ! Maybe I should reboot my windows partiton and check it out, as linux has no easy way that I know of to check all this.

Glad you got it working. I think you can make a custom memtest86 boot USB if you want:

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Download your free copy of MemTest86 here for USB.

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MemTest86 - Creating a MemTest86 bootable USB Flash drive in Linux/Mac

 

[AdamK47]

My build experience with Alder Lake was positive. Granted, I bought better components and use Windows instead of Linux.

 

[Markfw]

My build experience with Alder Lake was positive. Granted, I bought better components and use Windows instead of Linux.

Better components ? I got a z690 motherboard and ddr4 4000 cl18 memory and my CPU current is yours minus 4 e-cores. That is pretty high quality stuff. And a 850 gold psu and a PCIE4 piece nvme. The bios is an odd Asus thing. The usb2 only boot would happen on yours too. The cheap hsf is Intel. So saying you got better components is pretty conceded.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Did you manage to get into Windows to check CPU-Z for the XMP profile that your RAM is running at now? Geekbench 5 run would be nice.

 

[Markfw]

Did you manage to get into Windows to check CPU-Z for the XMP profile that your RAM is running at now? Geekbench 5 run would be nice.

When I get out of the hospital , yes I will

 

[igor_kavinski]

When I get out of the hospital , yes I will

Again? Man, this is getting serious. OK, I know this is off topic, but please look into Neprinol. Take a maintenance dose of it daily (3 capsules a day). Use one bottle and see if that helps. It's a natural enzyme formulation that cleans out the crud in the arteries.

 

[Markfw]

Did you manage to get into Windows to check CPU-Z for the XMP profile that your RAM is running at now? Geekbench 5 run would be nice.

Yes, its running 2000 in cpuz, meaning 4000 total !

 

[Markfw]

OK, most of my boxes are linux, but I don't know anything to speak of about linux, except it works great with DC.

OK, don't hold me to this, very preliminary results, and no power usage (I forgot to put in the kill-a-watt)

BUT, On the positive side, it looks like this 12700F is doing 2:45 (h:mm) and a 5950x is doing 2:50 in primegrid ! But 20 for the 12700F and 31 for the 5950x.

Let me shut down the 12700F and get a meter on it.

OH, so its doing 245 watts from the wall on CPU vs a 5950 (minus the 400 watt 3080TI) at 245 watts. So power is the same, but the 5950x is doing 50% more threads of work at the almost same time.

So not bad, but for sustained CPU multi-threaded work, the 5950x still wins.

My reservations and shortcomings on the Intel setup still hold, but its not bad. Mind you I KNOW IT WINS IN GAMES, SO DISCOUNT THAT. This finding is purely for multi-threaded heavy apps.

Edit @CuriousMike , here is a few preliminary results.

OK, that was a 5950x in windows fully loaded vs a 12700F in linux fully loaded. Linux is always better. Look at this , with a partually loaded 5950s at 1/5th the completion time, 30 to 40 minutes ! !
View attachment 58391

New complete stats. Results in the DC forum, I will only add the conclusion here:
OK, a full loaded 5950x, then a fully loaded 12700F, both at stock. It appears to be that the 5950x for 20 tasks, averages 5525 seconds. The same data for a 12700F shows average of 8677 seconds, both with the same average credit, here are the last tasks. So the 12700F does 64% of the work of the 5950x per core(5950x takes 64% OF THE TIME), but also for 2/3rds of the daily ppd(21 vs 31 tasks at a time). Can someone look at my facts and tell me what I might be missing ? Or 224k vs 91.5k ppd

 

[Markfw]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-alder-lake-stock-heatsink-tested

It may look cheap but still a big improvement over their past stock heatsinks.

While I won't argue the conclusion, twice a turd is still a turd. AMD is not much better for factory HSF's.

 

[Kaloi48]

Yes, its running 2000 in cpuz, meaning 4000 total !

What is your memory controller frequency? Some motherboards will automatically apply Gear 2 mode with non-K CPU when memory is above 3600MT/s.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I have a $45 heating. When I get home from er I should take pic

Did you check?

 

[Markfw]

Did you check?

Sorry, I have been to ER 3 times this week.. Problems. Anyway, its not throttling, and it was supposed to read a $45 heatsink it looks and installs like a BeQuiet recommended by someone here.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Looks like a pretty decent heatsink. What temps are you getting in HWinfo while all cores are busy?

 

[Markfw]

Looks like a pretty decent heatsink. What temps are you getting in HWinfo while all cores are busy?

It runs linux 99.9% of the time. Right now doing primegrid for the Ukraine team (no political comments allowed)

 

[igor_kavinski]

It runs linux 99.9% of the time. Right now doing primegrid for the Ukraine team (no political comments allowed)

Are you gonna update your signature or still not sure if you want to keep 12700F?

 

[Markfw]

Are you gonna update your signature or still not sure if you want to keep 12700F?

Fixed. I have to keep testing all aspects of it. I have to be an ADL owner to be able to comment on it without getting called out.

 

[Markfw]

Picture of the completed beastie !

 

[DrMrLordX]

Gotta admit, that's a nice HSF for $45. At least by appearances.

 

[Markfw]

Gotta admit, that's a nice HSF for $45. At least by appearances.

Here you the product

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDXJV3M?ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details&th=1

 

[Tech Junky]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDXJV3M?ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details&th=1

That's the one I have/mentioned. Works great and it's 50% of the price of most other options including cheap AIO options.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just spent several hours building and debugging a "simple" ASRock H610-HVS ($80) and an ADL Pentium Gold G7400.

Couldn't get it to boot, no matter what I did. Stripped it down to just a PSU with EPS12V and 24-pin ATX modular cables connected, mobo, CPU, and either 2x8GB silicon power ddr4-3200, or no RAM at all. No CPU fan movement, no beeps through speaker, nothing.

Unmounted stock heatsink, checked for bent pins and reseated (nothing bent), still nothing.

Never had an out-of-the-box Stone-cold dead mobo or CPU before.

Do these brand-new boards need a bios update to run the G7400?

ASRock H610M-HVS

Supports 14th, 13th & 12th Gen Intel Core™ Processors (LGA1700); 5 Phase Power Design; Supports DDR4 3200MHz; 1 PCIe 4.0 x16, 1 PCIe 3.0 x1; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, D-Sub; Realtek ALC887/897 7.1 CH HD Audio Codec; 4 SATA3; 4 USB 3.2 Gen1 (2 Rear, 2 Front), 6 USB 2.0 (4 Rear, 2 Front)...

www.asrock.com

Supported since initial BIOS 2.01, color me confused.

Edit: Tried my other BNIB Pentium Gold G7400, no sign of life with that installed, either. No beeps when removing all RAM, no "twitch" of the CPU fan, nothing.

This is with two different PSUs, also. An EVGA White 600W, and a Seasonic Gold 450 or 500W. First PSU that I tried, the EVGA, spun up the PSU fan when tested with the seasonic's PSU tester jumper.