Alcoholism

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: zinfamous
So did rise's thread disappear into yet another mod-unapproved dimension of intolerance?

It's not even in my list of recently participated threads.

it wasn't an act of mod intolerance, it was an act of kindness.

ah
:thumbsup:

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: zinfamous
So did rise's thread disappear into yet another mod-unapproved dimension of intolerance?

It's not even in my list of recently participated threads.

it wasn't an act of mod intolerance, it was an act of kindness.

Locking it up would have served the same purpose, and allowed RISE to see what he posted later in a sober state, though. It's kind of hard for a sober alcoholic to reflect on what he did when drunk when he's been thread lobotomized.

 

[lyssword]

I'm not addicted to alcohol, I drank some beer when I was 18, then when 21, I think I can go without beer for a year pretty easily. I'm addicted to vid gaming tho and teh internetz

 

[rise]

i dunne how to het ahol od you Tuswfy, but i lost my son, my ec and my GF all in one week

and boomerd, tou cqan still fuck offf

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Amused

Wow! I thought I was going to be bashed for liking "Less than Zero."

The problem with the movie, beyond it's being very dated and stylized, is that non-addicts just can't get it. It frustrates them because they cannot understand the nature of addiction itself.

But show it to an addict, and they'll instantly associate with Downey's character.

Something Downey apparently was unable to do for a long time.

 

[Twofootputt]

Originally posted by: jemcam
Rudeguy, remember it's attraction not promotion. These discussions never end well.

From the source:

Copyright © 1973 by A.A. World Services, Inc.

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IS A.A. FOR YOU?

Only you can decide whether you want to give A.A.a try ?
whether you think it can help you.



We who are in A.A. came because we finally gave up trying to control our drinking. We still hated to admit that we could never drink safely. Then we heard from other A.A. members that we were sick. (We thought so for years!) We found out that many people suffered from the same feelings of guilt and loneliness and hopelessness that we did. We found out that we had these feelings because we had the disease of alcoholism.
We decided to try and face up to what alcohol had done to us. Here are some of the questions we tried to answer honestly. If we answered YES to four or more questions, we were in deep trouble with our drinking. See how you do. Remember, there is no disgrace in facing up to the fact that you have a problem.



Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1 - Have you ever decided to stop drinking for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?
Most of us in A.A. made all kinds of promises to ourselves and to our families. We could not keep them. Then we came to A.A. A.A. said: "Just try not to drink today." (If you do not drink today, you cannot get drunk today.)
Yes No

2 - Do you wish people would mind their own business about your drinking-- stop telling you what to do?
In A.A. we do not tell anyone to do anything. We just talk about our own drinking, the trouble we got into, and how we stopped. We will be glad to help you, if you want us to.
Yes No

3 - Have you ever switched from one kind of drink to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting drunk?
We tried all kinds of ways. We made our drinks weak. Or just drank beer. Or we did not drink cocktails. Or only drank on weekends. You name it, we tried it. But if we drank anything with alcohol in it, we usually got drunk eventually.
Yes No

4 - Have you had to have an eye-opener upon awakening during the past year?
Do you need a drink to get started, or to stop shaking? This is a pretty sure sign that you are not drinking "socially."
Yes No

5 - Do you envy people who can drink without getting into trouble?
At one time or another, most of us have wondered why we were not like most people, who really can take it or leave it.
Yes No

6 - Have you had problems connected with drinking during the past year?
Be honest! Doctors say that if you have a problem with alcohol and keep on drinking, it will get worse -- never better. Eventually, you will die, or end up in an institution for the rest of your life. The only hope is to stop drinking.
Yes No

7 - Has your drinking caused trouble at home?
Before we came into A.A., most of us said that it was the people or problems at home that made us drink. We could not see that our drinking just made everything worse. It never solved problems anywhere or anytime.
Yes No

8 - Do you ever try to get "extra" drinks at a party because you do not get enough?
Most of us used to have a "few" before we started out if we thought it was going to be that kind of party. And if drinks were not served fast enough, we would go some place else to get more.
Yes No

9 - Do you tell yourself you can stop drinking any time you want to, even though you keep getting drunk when you don't mean to?
Many of us kidded ourselves into thinking that we drank because we wanted to. After we came into A.A., we found out that once we started to drink, we couldn't stop.
Yes No

10 - Have you missed days of work or school because of drinking?
Many of us admit now that we "called in sick" lots of times when the truth was that we were hung-over or on a drunk.
Yes No

11 - Do you have "blackouts"?
A "blackout" is when we have been drinking hours or days which we cannot remember. When we came to A.A., we found out that this is a pretty sure sign of alcoholic drinking.
Yes No

12 - Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not drink?
Many of us started to drink because drinking made life seem better, at least for a while. By the time we got into A.A., we felt trapped. We were drinking to live and living to drink. We were sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Yes No







Did you answer YES four or more times? If so, you are probably in trouble with alcohol. Why do we say this? Because thousands of people in A.A. have said so for many years. They found out the truth about themselves ? the hard way. But again, only you can decide whether you think A.A. is for you. Try to keep an open mind on the subject. If the answer is YES, we will be glad to show you how we stopped drinking ourselves. Just call. A.A. does not promise to solve your life's problems. But we can show you how we are learning to live without drinking "one day at a time." We stay away from that "first drink." If there is no first one, there cannot be a tenth one. And when we got rid of alcohol, we found that life became much more manageable.

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ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS© is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions.
A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes.
Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
Copyright © by The A.A. Grapevine, Inc.;
reprinted with permission

 

[rudeguy]

Again, I don't want this thread to be about AA. I posted it to open a discussion about alcoholism and its affects on our lives. Please don't turn this into a thread about AA.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Again, I don't want this thread to be about AA. I posted it to open a discussion about alcoholism and its affects on our lives. Please don't turn this into a thread about AA.

The past 10 years have seen the "alcoholism" criteria go from being an actual alcoholic, to having driven within 25 miles of a liquor store in the past five years. You inferred in your own OP that having had a single drink within the past year means you're an alcoholic.

There's gotta be money behind this fucking stupidity, has some kind of for-profit rehab clinic recently gotten big? I can see how Britney Spears, the Olsen twins, Lindsay Lohan, etc. could fuel something like this. Honest question.

People seriously need to lighten up, the stupidity so many are spewing is the same shit behind prohibition.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Again, I don't want this thread to be about AA. I posted it to open a discussion about alcoholism and its affects on our lives. Please don't turn this into a thread about AA.

The past 10 years have seen the "alcoholism" criteria go from being an actual alcoholic, to having driven within 25 miles of a liquor store in the past five years. You inferred in your own OP that having had a single drink within the past year means you're an alcoholic.

There's gotta be money behind this fucking stupidity, has some kind of for-profit rehab clinic recently gotten big? I can see how Britney Spears, the Olsen twins, Lindsay Lohan, etc. could fuel something like this. Honest question.

People seriously need to lighten up, the stupidity so many are spewing is the same shit behind prohibition.

Some people have the inability to moderate.

That's a fact.

I know there has been a lot of hype and hypersensitivity on the issue, but addicts exist.

What any addict needs to know is that their addiction is no one's fault but their own and that they, and only they, can stop it. No one else can do it for them and their addiction is no one else's fault.

The only true long term recovered addicts I have seen are ones who realize these very basic facts.

I happen to be one of them.

 

[darkxshade]

yay I passed test one... I only had 2 drinks and only 2... every hour... you did mention to try it a few times and didn't specify the intervals. Just for safe measure, I did again the next 2 days at 30 min & 2 hour intervals and managed to have only 2 drinks each time.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
yay I passed test one... I only had 2 drinks and only 2... every hour... you did mention to try it a few times and didn't specify the intervals. Just for safe measure, I did again the next 2 days at 30 min & 2 hour intervals and managed to have only 2 drinks each time.

lol

Not quite a scientific test. Then again, there is no test or way to truly diagnose an alleged alcoholic.

Has there been research that equates alcohol to nicotine? I'm asking because I realized that aside from alcohol, I have been able to regulate anything else I eat or drink. I don't eat the whole bag of candy or chips, I quit drinking soda on week days nearly a year ago. When drinking I seemed to continue on with less self regulation until I was drunk.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: darkxshade
yay I passed test one... I only had 2 drinks and only 2... every hour... you did mention to try it a few times and didn't specify the intervals. Just for safe measure, I did again the next 2 days at 30 min & 2 hour intervals and managed to have only 2 drinks each time.

lol

Not quite a scientific test. Then again, there is no test or way to truly diagnose an alleged alcoholic.

Has there been research that equates alcohol to nicotine? I'm asking because I realized that aside from alcohol, I have been able to regulate anything else I eat or drink. I don't eat the whole bag of candy or chips, I quit drinking soda on week days nearly a year ago. When drinking I seemed to continue on with less self regulation until I was drunk.

Addiction is different with individuals and substances. Most people can moderate alcohol. Most people cannot moderate nicotine. Most people cannot moderate cocaine. Get the idea?

Alcoholism is rather easy to diagnose. Is your alcohol consumption having a negative effect on your life? If it is, have attempts to moderate your alcohol use failed and the negative effects come back every time? If yes, you have an alcohol moderation problem and should avoid alcohol completely.

And judging by the obesity rate of the last few decades, lack of moderation in food seems to be a common problem too. Probably caused by bordom brought on by lack of physical activity and easily available munchies . Less an addiction problem and more a problem of humans being victims of their own success.