Alberto Gonzales named AG

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: raildogg
playing the hispanic race card. not a bad idea

That's all bush does to detrement of our nation. Bush is gearing up for amnesty of 19 million illegals which will encourage even more. What does he care if america goes to the shitter. Him and his friends are so wealthy and can afford a chataux on Lake Lucerne in switzerland when american turns to banana republic.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though:D

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?
Yeah, Ashcroft is personally responsible for some crime stats to be at 30-year lows. :roll:


Oh, and that white-collar crime? Does that include war criminals who knowingly and purposefully avoided the Geneva Conventions or even falsified intelligence in order to justify an invasion of another country?

Or, by white-collar crime do you mean going after people without the need for court orders or snooping through library records without court orders?
the thing is conjur, is to not have a library card
Or to get one using a fake name...an alias, even. ;)
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: digitalsm

Clarence Thomas will be named Cheif Justice and a hispanic judge from Texas or Florida will fill the vacant spot when the current Cheif Justice retires. Two birds, one stone.

That would be TOO hilarious. I don't know a single lawyer or judge who doesn't agree that Clarence Thomas is the dopiest and least-qualified justice on the present Court. I know Scalia earned AG Ashcroft's ire in his recent holding in Blakely v. Washington, but I'd still think he would be favored for Chief Justice over Clarence Thomas.


I lost a $100 bet with my dad over Bork's confirmation (or lack therof) :(
 

Zebo

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This guy is automatic cause dems would find it hard to oppose the first Hispanic attorney general nominee, however he has serious issues. Check this out:


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/stor...=&reportID=1162625

1. He was at the centre of the effort to publicly defend the administration's policy of holding prisoners captured in the so-called 'war on terror' without access to lawyers or the courts - a stance that was opposed by the Supreme Court.

2. He also wrote a memo dating to February 2002 memo in which the Bush administration claimed the right to ignore international treaties prohibiting torture of prisoners. Campaigners said that memo led directly to the sort of abuses that were uncovered at Abu Ghraib and which have been alleged at Guantanamo Bay.

3. But the controversy surrounding Mr Gonzales dates back further, to the time when he worked as general counsel to Mr Bush when he was Governor of Texas.

An article published last year by Atlantic Monthly examined Mr Gonzales's role in the preparation of memos to Mr Bush on 57 death penalty cases in which the governor was required to consider the granting of clemency.

The magazine's investigation found that Mr Gonzales "repeatedly failed to apprise the governor of crucial issues in the cases at hand: ineffective counsel, conflict of interest, mitigating evidence, even actual evidence of innocence".

The magazine said Mr Gonzales appeared to exclude factors such as "mental illness or incompetence, childhood physical or sexual abuse, remorse, rehabilitation or racial discrimination in jury selection".

Mr Bush allowed the executions to proceed in all but one of the 57 cases, including that of Terry Washington, a thirty-three-year-old mentally retarded man with the communications skills of a seven-year-old.
 

skace

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A yes-man is someone who would agree to do something for their boss or otherwise even if they can't accomplish the task. Or who would agree simply because they want to stay on the good side, despite whether or not they are agreeing with something that may go against what they think is right or that they think will really fail. (In other words, afraid to say no at all costs)

You NEVER want a yes-man. You want someone who shares your visions but who is still willing to tell you when something may not work or if you've overstepped your boundaries. There is a reason you entrust people with positions, it is because you think they can do those positions better than anyone else, including yourself.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Zebo
This guy is automatic cause dems would find it hard to oppose the first Hispanic attorney general nominee, however he has serious issues. Check this out:


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/stor...=&reportID=1162625

1. He was at the centre of the effort to publicly defend the administration's policy of holding prisoners captured in the so-called 'war on terror' without access to lawyers or the courts - a stance that was opposed by the Supreme Court.

2. He also wrote a memo dating to February 2002 memo in which the Bush administration claimed the right to ignore international treaties prohibiting torture of prisoners. Campaigners said that memo led directly to the sort of abuses that were uncovered at Abu Ghraib and which have been alleged at Guantanamo Bay.

3. But the controversy surrounding Mr Gonzales dates back further, to the time when he worked as general counsel to Mr Bush when he was Governor of Texas.

An article published last year by Atlantic Monthly examined Mr Gonzales's role in the preparation of memos to Mr Bush on 57 death penalty cases in which the governor was required to consider the granting of clemency.

The magazine's investigation found that Mr Gonzales "repeatedly failed to apprise the governor of crucial issues in the cases at hand: ineffective counsel, conflict of interest, mitigating evidence, even actual evidence of innocence".

The magazine said Mr Gonzales appeared to exclude factors such as "mental illness or incompetence, childhood physical or sexual abuse, remorse, rehabilitation or racial discrimination in jury selection".

Mr Bush allowed the executions to proceed in all but one of the 57 cases, including that of Terry Washington, a thirty-three-year-old mentally retarded man with the communications skills of a seven-year-old.

This guy is perfect because Bush gets a minority Ashcroft, and in fact someone who may be worse, and the Dems won't oppose him much (which I think they should grow a pair and fight this)

It may be that Ashcroft was dumped not because he was too radical, but not radical enough. The Patriot Act and the soon to be reintroduced Patriot Act II is not an Aschroft invention, it is the mandate of Bush. The above quoted post suggests this may be a way to get Bush's agenda pushed along.

It will be interesting to see how Bush supporters either justify or divert when such legislation is put forward.