Alberto Gonzales named AG

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I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:

I was waiting for somebody to mention the Enron connection.

:roll:
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:

I was waiting for somebody to mention the Enron connection.

:roll:

It's just silly. It's like calling Johnny Cochran a murderer.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:

I was waiting for somebody to mention the Enron connection.

:roll:

It's just silly. It's like calling Johnny Cochran a murderer.

I wouldn't call him a murderer, maybe an accessory of murder, but not a murderer. :)
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:

I was waiting for somebody to mention the Enron connection.

:roll:

It's just silly. It's like calling Johnny Cochran a murderer.

Didn't he once buy natural gas from Enron?

What a scandal!
 

BBond

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C'mon, Gonzales worked for Enron's lawfirm.

When Bush wants legal advice on how to skirt the Geneva Conventions, or whether people are entitled to their rights or are instead deemed 'enemy combatants' and held for years without charges, legal advice or contact with the outside world, he goes to Gonzales.

I wonder what kind of legal advice Gonzales gave Enron?


Oh, the word around Washington is, Ashcroft had to go because that video of him singing his little number, 'Let the Eagle Soar' was too embarassing, even by Bush administration standards.

:)

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.
He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:

I was waiting for somebody to mention the Enron connection.

:roll:

It's just silly. It's like calling Johnny Cochran a murderer.

I wouldn't call him a murderer, maybe an accessory of murder, but not a murderer. :)

Murderer hardly, pervert definitely. The new AG AG endorses torture. Wohoo, a new Grand Inquisitor.

Bush has replaced Gauleiter Ashcroft with Grand Inquisitor Gonzales :p



 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
I predicted this bashing of no matter who ever was going to be chosen......
Ah, so you're ok with a guy who thinks it's ok to bypass the Geneva Conventions because he wants to?
 
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Originally posted by: Chadder007
I predicted this bashing of no matter who ever was going to be chosen......

I suspect you're right, but frankly I think his creative interpretation of the Geneva Convention is something that will haunt our nation for decades or longer (and, interestingly, something that senior JAGs completely disagreed with at the time). It puts our own troops in greater danger, undermines our Constitution, and does nothing to protect our safety IMO.
 

NeoV

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boy Chadder, you are a regular Nostradamus

thanks Bbond, for giving us the "inside scoop" on the word in DC...
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Chadder007
I predicted this bashing of no matter who ever was going to be chosen......

I suspect you're right, but frankly I think his creative interpretation of the Geneva Convention is something that will haunt our nation for decades or longer (and, interestingly, something that senior JAGs completely disagreed with at the time). It puts our own troops in greater danger, undermines our Constitution, and does nothing to protect our safety IMO.

I agree with DonVito here. Ignoring the Geneva Convention because we wanted to invites other countries to do the same. We like to brag that we're an example to the world. I don't think in this particular case this is the example we want to set.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.
He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.
 

jpeyton

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Hey, just what we need. A Gonzales to secure our border with Mexico. :roll:
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.
He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

Only a fool seeks to surround themselves with yes men. No one person is smart enough to know it all on their own, if your subordinates don't voice their opinions, what's the point of having them around? The AG needs to be, in part, a legal advisor. Bush, as far as I know, has zero legal experience. Having an AG that knows the law and speaks his mind would seem like a big help to me. I certainly would want cabinet members that are smarter than me in their area if I was president. Or do you think Bush knows enough about defense, economics, the law, etc, etc that he doesn't need strong, smart people in those positions?

Just because Clinton did it doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Chadder007
I predicted this bashing of no matter who ever was going to be chosen......

I suspect you're right, but frankly I think his creative interpretation of the Geneva Convention is something that will haunt our nation for decades or longer (and, interestingly, something that senior JAGs completely disagreed with at the time). It puts our own troops in greater danger, undermines our Constitution, and does nothing to protect our safety IMO.

maybe we should all listen to Don vito's opinion rather than spewing the talking points.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.
Well, he must be behind all their illegal activities. I work for Intel, and Enron used Intel-based computers. I guess I should go to jail too. :roll:
Wow... do you always compare apples and oranges like that?