Alberto Gonzales named AG

[klah]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
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Terrific:

And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

He left that firm 10 years ago.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

No, it's not as it should be. Rubber stamps are worthless. We need thinkers and people willing to do the right thing, no matter the political cost.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

Only a fool seeks to surround themselves with yes men. No one person is smart enough to know it all on their own, if your subordinates don't voice their opinions, what's the point of having them around? The AG needs to be, in part, a legal advisor. Bush, as far as I know, has zero legal experience. Having an AG that knows the law and speaks his mind would seem like a big help to me. I certainly would want cabinet members that are smarter than me in their area if I was president. Or do you think Bush knows enough about defense, economics, the law, etc, etc that he doesn't need strong, smart people in those positions?

Just because Clinton did it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

My idea of a yes-man is someone who has views similar to the one who employs them. A right-hand man, so to speak. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

No, it's not as it should be. Rubber stamps are worthless. We need thinkers and people willing to do the right thing, no matter the political cost.

no, you need people who have your vision and purpose, otherwise you are no longer walking your path.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

No, it's not as it should be. Rubber stamps are worthless. We need thinkers and people willing to do the right thing, no matter the political cost.

no, you need people who have your vision and purpose, otherwise you are no longer walking your path.

Back to that black-and-white vision many Bushies have.


<sigh>

 

[Pliablemoose]

For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

No, it's not as it should be. Rubber stamps are worthless. We need thinkers and people willing to do the right thing, no matter the political cost.

no, you need people who have your vision and purpose, otherwise you are no longer walking your path.

Back to that black-and-white vision many Bushies have.


<sigh>

That's exactly right, and I have no problem with it. some things, many things in my world, are black and white. why do they need to be grey?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?

Yeah, Ashcroft is personally responsible for some crime stats to be at 30-year lows. :roll:


Oh, and that white-collar crime? Does that include war criminals who knowingly and purposefully avoided the Geneva Conventions or even falsified intelligence in order to justify an invasion of another country?

Or, by white-collar crime do you mean going after people without the need for court orders or snooping through library records without court orders?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

No, it's not as it should be. Rubber stamps are worthless. We need thinkers and people willing to do the right thing, no matter the political cost.

no, you need people who have your vision and purpose, otherwise you are no longer walking your path.

Back to that black-and-white vision many Bushies have.


<sigh>

That's exactly right, and I have no problem with it. some things, many things in my world, are black and white. why do they need to be grey?

Because it's entirely possible to share someone's vision but not fall in lock-step with their decisions. There are rights and wrongs no matter the ideology.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Oh, and that white-collar crime? Does that include war criminals who knowingly and purposefully avoided the Geneva Conventions or even falsified intelligence in order to justify an invasion of another country?

Or, by white-collar crime do you mean going after people without the need for court orders or snooping through library records without court orders?

No, I don't,

Tinfoil a bit loose conjur?

You're comparing apples &amp; oranges again...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?

Huh? Local crime rates have almost ZERO to do with the federal AG. If you want to go that route, then the highest crime rates since WWII occurred under Bush 41, and then the rates dropped under Clinton to where they are now.
What happened? A combination of 2 factors have taken place since the early 90s that have absolutely nothing to do with Ashcroft. (1) increased police enforcement and longer prison sentences have taken more criminals off the streets and kept them off the streets, and (2) an improved economy and low unemployment gave more people jobs, which means less incentive to commit crimes. I also credit Clinton's welfare reforms which, by placing a time limit on the period that a person could receive welfare they destroyed the previous welfare system that encouraged recepients to collect checks by day and deal drugs by night (a euphemism, but it was a phenomena that I studied and wrote about in school in the early 90s).

 

[tnilC]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hey, just what we need. A Gonzales to secure our border with Mexico. :roll:

Its all part of the plan leading to the eventual handover of the Border states to Mexico...


Bush is such a fvcking idiot...

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: tnilC

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hey, just what we need. A Gonzales to secure our border with Mexico. :roll:

Its all part of the plan leading to the eventual handover of the Border states to Mexico...


Bush is such a fvcking idiot...

Thankfully you live in a country where it's all right to call the leader a "fvcking idiot".

And I won't even bother replying to the first part of your post, I hope that was sarcasm.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Oh, and that white-collar crime? Does that include war criminals who knowingly and purposefully avoided the Geneva Conventions or even falsified intelligence in order to justify an invasion of another country?

Or, by white-collar crime do you mean going after people without the need for court orders or snooping through library records without court orders?

No, I don't,

Tinfoil a bit loose conjur?

You're comparing apples &amp; oranges again...

How the fvck does tinfoil fit in here? I'm not talking conspiracy theories at all. I'm talking actual happenings under this administration.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?

Yeah, Ashcroft is personally responsible for some crime stats to be at 30-year lows. :roll:


Oh, and that white-collar crime? Does that include war criminals who knowingly and purposefully avoided the Geneva Conventions or even falsified intelligence in order to justify an invasion of another country?

Or, by white-collar crime do you mean going after people without the need for court orders or snooping through library records without court orders?

the thing is conjur, is to not have a library card

 

[Tarpon6]

I am optimistic about this one. I think he'll be great.

 

[tnilC]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: tnilC

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hey, just what we need. A Gonzales to secure our border with Mexico. :roll:

Its all part of the plan leading to the eventual handover of the Border states to Mexico...


Bush is such a fvcking idiot...

Thankfully you live in a country where it's all right to call the leader a "fvcking idiot".

And I won't even bother replying to the first part of your post, I hope that was sarcasm.

Im thankful to live in a country where calling the leader names is allowed, no argument there.

However, the first sentance was not sarcasm. This country is being rotted out by the influx of illegal Mexicans. Bush is the first President that actually takes joy from the 3 million uneducated illegals that invade this country every year. This country will die not because of Terrorism, but because of this passive invasion from the south.

America for Americans!

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
For all the Ashcroft ranting, his dept had an excellent record of going after much of the ignored white collar crime, and crime is now @ a 30 year low.

He was a love him or hate him kind of AG, I suspect Mr. Gonzales will do more of the same.

Gotta love Bush's racially diverse cabinet appointees though

Too bad they're all sellouts, huh?

How do you say "Uncle Tom" in Spanish?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Tio Thomas - which translates into 'Peep Show Mop-Boy'

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito
I hope this is a step up (I find it hard to fathom how he could be worse than Ashcroft), but to me the fact that he authored the memo opining that Gitmo detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions gives me serious pause.

I think we're in for four more years of secrecy and compromised civil rights.

He's just another yes-man in the Bush administration filled with them.

Which is the way it should be.

Reno was nothing but a yes-man for Clinton.

Only a fool seeks to surround themselves with yes men. No one person is smart enough to know it all on their own, if your subordinates don't voice their opinions, what's the point of having them around? The AG needs to be, in part, a legal advisor. Bush, as far as I know, has zero legal experience. Having an AG that knows the law and speaks his mind would seem like a big help to me. I certainly would want cabinet members that are smarter than me in their area if I was president. Or do you think Bush knows enough about defense, economics, the law, etc, etc that he doesn't need strong, smart people in those positions?

Just because Clinton did it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

My idea of a yes-man is someone who has views similar to the one who employs them. A right-hand man, so to speak. There is nothing wrong with that.

Ah, I see we have different interpretations of the phrase yes-man. Right-hand man is fine, but I'd want one who would tell me if I was making a mistake.

 

[GrGr]

yes man = a person who always agrees with his superior

see: sycophants, bootlickers, asskissers, brownosers etc.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: tnilC

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: tnilC

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hey, just what we need. A Gonzales to secure our border with Mexico. :roll:

Its all part of the plan leading to the eventual handover of the Border states to Mexico...


Bush is such a fvcking idiot...

Thankfully you live in a country where it's all right to call the leader a "fvcking idiot".

And I won't even bother replying to the first part of your post, I hope that was sarcasm.

Im thankful to live in a country where calling the leader names is allowed, no argument there.

However, the first sentance was not sarcasm. This country is being rotted out by the influx of illegal Mexicans. Bush is the first President that actually takes joy from the 3 million uneducated illegals that invade this country every year. This country will die not because of Terrorism, but because of this passive invasion from the south.

America for Americans!

If you're legal, come on in. I would be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

 

[raildogg]

playing the hispanic race card. not a bad idea

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: raildogg
playing the hispanic race card. not a bad idea

Clarence Thomas will be named Cheif Justice and a hispanic judge from Texas or Florida will fill the vacant spot when the current Cheif Justice retires. Two birds, one stone.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Clarence Thomas will be named Cheif Justice and a hispanic judge from Texas or Florida will fill the vacant spot when the current Cheif Justice retires. Two birds, one stone.

That would be TOO hilarious. I don't know a single lawyer or judge who doesn't agree that Clarence Thomas is the dopiest and least-qualified justice on the present Court. I know Scalia earned AG Ashcroft's ire in his recent holding in Blakely v. Washington, but I'd still think he would be favored for Chief Justice over Clarence Thomas.