Alabama passed a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest

[Atreus21]

So just avoid my questions altogether. Guess you're full of baloney. And no, i'm not ok with forcing women to do anything against their will.

It was you who avoided my question sir.

 

[Vic]

Can't wait to see where funding for all those loving foster families will come from.

No doubt the next item on the agenda is cut funding for foster care. Those 'whores' need to pay for their own children! Consequences and because they really care about the babies and all that.

 

[ivwshane]

What justifies the deliberate killing of an innocent human being?

That's the only question that matters.

The universal right of one to control their own body. Period.

 

[Atreus21]

I would be ok with giving the woman the decision what to do with her body. You on the other hand appear to want to control her. Why do you get to control her body and not her?

I don't, but society has some right to compel people to use their bodies in particular ways, in its own interest. The draft, for example.

 

[Vic]

What justifies the deliberate killing of an innocent human being?

That's the only question that matters.

What justifies the deliberate enslavement of a woman?

See, yours is not the only question that matters.

 

[Atreus21]

The universal right of one to control their own body. Period.

That is most definitely not a universal right. That is a very limited right. Society can compel us when necessary. Even jury duty is a simple example. We can attend to such duty or face fines. Quarantine laws. The draft.

You can't live in society and claim complete autonomy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It was you who avoided my question sir.

Please, you're not fooling anyone but yourself. Where do you intend to get funding for all those foster families? You don't think they do it for free right? Oh, and let's not forget any of the funding for the kids as they now age, go to school, and need additional support for mental or physical ailments, learning disabilities etc.... Where's all the money coming from?

 

[abj13]

What justifies the deliberate killing of an innocent human being?

That's the only question that matters.

Please define for all of us, with objective in-controversial evidence that, for example, a 14 week fetus is a human being with full rights of personhood.

 

[Atreus21]

What justifies the deliberate enslavement of a woman?

See, yours is not the only question that matters.

That's easily answered: no one is being enslaved. We shouldn't cheapen the experience of slaves with such casual use of the term.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't, but society has some right to compel people to use their bodies in particular ways, in its own interest. The draft, for example.

What National emergency would requiring women to give up their right to control their body be addressing?

 

[Vic]

I don't, but society has some right to compel people to use their bodies in particular ways, in its own interest. The draft, for example.

Then society has the obligation to compensate those persons whose property and rights are being taken. Even draftees get paid for their service.

 

[HomerJS]

What justifies the deliberate killing of an innocent human being?

That's the only question that matters.

You never answered the question. At what point before birth do you consider the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus a person?

What is your evidence?

 

[ch33zw1z]

No doubt the next item on the agenda is cut funding for foster care. Those 'whores' need to pay for their own children! Consequences and because they really care about the babies and all that.

And that's all it really boils down to. Shaming.

 

[Atreus21]

Please, you're not fooling anyone but yourself. Where do you intend to get funding for all those foster families? You don't think they don't for free right? Oh, and let's not forget any of the funding for the kids as they now age, go to school, and need additional support for mental of physical ailments. Where's all the money coming from?

You're still avoiding my original question. If the child were guaranteed a loving foster family, should the birth mother still be allowed to kill her child?

 

[abj13]

That is most definitely not a universal right. That is a very limited right. Society can compel us when necessary. Even jury duty is a simple example. We can attend to such duty or face fines. Quarantine laws. The draft.

You can't live in society and claim complete autonomy.

For everyone's reference, this person believes that "there is no right to bodily autonomy."

Therefore, he believes the following Supreme Court decisions were justified:
Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution
Dred Scott v. Sandford
Plessy v. Ferguson
Pace v. Alabama
Korematsu v. United States
Bowers v. Hardwick

 

[ivwshane]

That is most definitely not a universal right. That is a very limited right. Society can compel us when necessary. Even jury duty is a simple example. We can attend to such duty or face fines. Quarantine laws. The draft.

You can't live in society and claim complete autonomy.

Actually jury duty has exemptions. Would you then allow for abortion if women paid fines in order to control their own bodies?

And just in case you missed the question the first time:

What societal necessity is there that compels a woman to give up the right of their own body?

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's easily answered: no one is being enslaved. We shouldn't cheapen the experience of slaves with such casual use of the term.

Until a rape victim is forced to carry a child and give birth, but hey....Ohio only counted 4000 rapes a year last I checked, what could go wrong.

 

[Vic]

That's easily answered: no one is being enslaved. We shouldn't cheapen the experience of slaves with such casual use of the term.

Really? Forcing a woman to bear and raise a child that they don't want is not a form of enslavement? That's an interesting perspective.

 

[Atreus21]

[/QUOTE]

You never answered the question. At what point before birth do you consider the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus a person?

What is your evidence?

"The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications). Moreover, it is entirely independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos. Indeed, this definition does not directly address the central ethical question surrounding the embryo: What value ought society place on human life at the earliest stages of development? A neutral examination of the evidence merely establishes the onset of a new human life at a scientifically well-defined “moment of conception,” a conclusion that unequivocally indicates that human embryos from the one-cell stage forward are indeed living individuals of the human species; i.e., human beings."

-Maureen Condic, Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Adjunct Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Utah School of Medicine, also Director of Human Embryology instruction.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You're still avoiding my original question. If the child were guaranteed a loving foster family, should the birth mother still be allowed to kill her child?

As someone who knows what the "system" is like, you need to supply some plan to verify that. Not a utopian hypothetical where bleeding heart family members plead with her.

Kill her child? Did she already give birth and now is gonna kill it? Lol....you obviously only deal in hypotheticals, so come back to me when you can tell me where all this money is coming from

 

[Vic]

Until a rape victim is forced to carry a child and give birth, but hey....Ohio only counted 4000 rapes a year last I checked, what could go wrong.

Without rape, some guys would never procreate. Atreus is just looking out for them is all.

 

[Atreus21]

Until a rape victim is forced to carry a child and give birth, but hey....Ohio only counted 4000 rapes a year last I checked, what could go wrong.

And you compare that with the lifelong bondage and servitude experienced by slaves? That's ridiculous.

 

[Atreus21]

As someone who knows what the "system" is like, you need to supply some plan to verify that. Not a utopian hypothetical where bleeding heart family members plead with her.

No I don't. Just answer the question. There's a loving family ready to care for the child. That's all.

Kill her child? Did she already give birth and now is gonna kill it? Lol....you obviously only deal in hypotheticals, so come back to me when you can tell me where all this money is coming from

The family is independently wealthy. Now would you answer the question?

 

[ch33zw1z]

And you compare that with the lifelong bondage and servitude experienced by slaves? That's ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as ignoring facts to complain about uppity womenz getting control of their bodies via a SCOTUS ruling 50 years ago. Build a bridge, get over it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No I don't. Just answer the question. There's a loving family ready to care for the child. That's all.



The family is independently wealthy. Now would you answer the question?

I already did answer your question. Read back. Come back when youre done with your hypotheticals and have some answers for the other 500k kids that our country will have to pay for every year.