Alabama passed a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest

[Victorian Gray]

You probably would have been better off on a conscious level: now you must live with the guilt of starving them through their forced lives of poverty because of the immoral, inhuman policies that you support.

oh wait, no! You have no morals. lol. silly me. Better they suffer than never know suffering at all, right?

If they suffer the correct types of suffering they will eventually end up in heaven and all will be as it should be.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Short derail
He's incredible in Boardwalk Empire
He's incredible in Westworld.

Sorry, didn't like or watch either series.

Edit: just checked IMDB. He was Muddy Waters in Cadillac records. Great performance and a pretty damn good movie all round.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

So lots of parentless children? How many orphans are acceptable to you? 100,000? 1,000,000?

-Some of my weak ass Google Fu turns up a number of about 50 million abortions world wide, a total number of births of about 130 million a year for a population of 7 billion.

So probably about 50 million?

Of course this answer is about as ridiculous as the supposition that external wombs would solve the "problem" of abortion but hey.

It's a pretty fundamental, emotionally driven divide and no amount of logical debate/argument/muslinging is going to resolve anything.

 

[drifter106]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies. Emphasis was placed on rape, incest and the controlling of the female. Oddly enough, nothing was ever mentioned about God. If you exclude God from the picture (life) you in essence become god. Dictating who shall live and die. Where does that leave you? Do you ever think about that when you typing your arrogant and opinionated responses?

Lets not forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you say....you are the one that will live with it.

 

[evident]

Fuck you

Fuck you very much.


Hillary was a garbage candidate.
Many millions of us voted for her to stop dumpsterfire trump.

But, Hillary was too shitty of a candidate so she failed to draw enough votes to beat the republican gerrymandering, voter suppression, and election fraud.

How about you blame the problem the shitty people at teh DNC who broke everyones trust and sold us out to their corporate gods?
Or, maybe blame Hillary for being such an awful candidate who didn't have policies?
Or maybe blame corporate america for killing and burying most of the middle class and leaving the unions and all the workers high and dry?

Hillary had plenty of great policies. You just had to read her website and actually listen to what she had to say and drown out all the right wing propaganda against her.

she was a bad candidate because she was hillary. you can be mad all you want, but i'm just saying it how it is. It's no use in looking back at 2016. we all suffer now.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

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Hillary had plenty of great policies. You just had to read her website and actually listen to what she had to say and drown out all the right wing propaganda against her.

she was a bad candidate because she was hillary. you can be mad all you want, but i'm just saying it how it is. It's no use in looking back at 2016. we all suffer now.

lol ur funnay.

Tons of great policies. Tons of great flip flopping.

I'm fine with changing over time. I'm not fine with flip flopping overnight. Hillary would have said gas the jews if enough of her supporters said it.

But hey - Pokeman go to the polls.

 

[PJFrylar]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies. Emphasis was placed on rape, incest and the controlling of the female. Oddly enough, nothing was ever mentioned about God. If you exclude God from the picture (life) you in essence become god. Dictating who shall live and die. Where does that leave you? Do you ever think about that when you typing your arrogant and opinionated responses?

Lets not forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you say....you are the one that will live with it.

Separation of church and state combined with the first amendment indicates that God and religion in general are moot points. How will I live with it? Fairly happily it turns out. For the record I'm not pro-abortion. I personally would not want to be part and parcel to an abortion, so I use condoms. I don't want to push my personal stance on others though. Hence the term that categorizes the general stance of pro-choice. There are numerous examples through out the world that indicate that education and access to contraceptives significantly reduce unplanned pregnancies and abortions. However, we should not tackle the issues logically - contraception is a sin!

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lol ur funnay.

Tons of great policies. Tons of great flip flopping.

I'm fine with changing over time. I'm not fine with flip flopping overnight. Hillary would have said gas the jews if enough of her supporters said it.

But hey - Pokeman go to the polls.

You've got to be kidding me. Trump does nothing but play to his base, sometimes changing his position multiple times in the same week...

 

[Franz316]

forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you

Oh you're a religious nutjob. Everything you've said over the months suddenly makes so much more sense now.

FYI no-one is pro abortion.. no one enjoys that process that all. There needs to be a safe way for it to happen based on the woman's choice.

 

[ivwshane]

-Some of my weak ass Google Fu turns up a number of about 50 million abortions world wide, a total number of births of about 130 million a year for a population of 7 billion.

So probably about 50 million?

Of course this answer is about as ridiculous as the supposition that external wombs would solve the "problem" of abortion but hey.

It's a pretty fundamental, emotionally driven divide and no amount of logical debate/argument/muslinging is going to resolve anything.

So you think 50 million, parentless children is a viable alternative?

 

[sandorski]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies. Emphasis was placed on rape, incest and the controlling of the female. Oddly enough, nothing was ever mentioned about God. If you exclude God from the picture (life) you in essence become god. Dictating who shall live and die. Where does that leave you? Do you ever think about that when you typing your arrogant and opinionated responses?

Lets not forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you say....you are the one that will live with it.

Believe in your silly "God" if you must, but keep the rest of us out of it.

 

[mikeymikec]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies.

Maybe you should take the time to actually understand the topic rather than doing the equivalent of blundering into a discussion about the moral implications of war and declaring that war should be outlawed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies. Emphasis was placed on rape, incest and the controlling of the female. Oddly enough, nothing was ever mentioned about God. If you exclude God from the picture (life) you in essence become god. Dictating who shall live and die. Where does that leave you? Do you ever think about that when you typing your arrogant and opinionated responses?

Lets not forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you say....you are the one that will live with it.

Playing god you say? Interesting but unsurprising from you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-a...l-says-that-ectopic-pregnancies-can-be-moved/

 

[Starbuck1975]

So you think 50 million, parentless children is a viable alternative?

If only there was a way to prevent a pregnancy from happening in the first place. Make birth control safe, inexpensive and readily available, with sex education that the onus is on both men and women.

 

[ecogen]

If only there was a way to prevent a pregnancy from happening in the first place. Make birth control safe, inexpensive and readily available, with sex education that the onus is on both men and women.

The same people that push through these abortion law are the ones pushing back against all of the suggestions you just listed. Surely, you're aware of that. What now?

 

[Viper1j]

Spare me. If we could guarantee perfect security and support for mothers and children, would abortion proponents suddenly oppose abortion? Dont be silly. The real objective is complete negation of that child's existence, whatever the cost. That cost is measured in corpses, and proponents call for celebrating of it.

The sooner this butchery is put to an end, the better.

There are no "abortion proponents", there is no "pro-abortion". There is only "pro-choice", which could also be called anti-Gladys Kravitz.

Try getting a life, before you take it upon yourself to interfere in the lives of people you've never met.

 

[brycejones]

There are no "abortion proponents", there is no "pro-abortion". There is only "pro-choice", which could also be called anti-Gladys Kravitz.

Try getting a life, before you take it upon yourself to interfere in the lives of people you've never met.

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Hell he isn’t even really pro life he is cool with the state executing people. He is only pro birth.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If only there was a way to prevent a pregnancy from happening in the first place. Make birth control safe, inexpensive and readily available, with sex education that the onus is on both men and women.

Lol, yea...and who doesn't like those things?

 

[Starbuck1975]

The same people that push through these abortion law are the ones pushing back against all of the suggestions you just listed. Surely, you're aware of that. What now?

Lol, yea...and who doesn't like those things?

I think I acknowledged this earlier in the thread although its hard to keep track of all the abortion threads.

The Pandora’s Box is open. The only way restrictions to abortion works is if you shore up birth control and adoption programs.

The problem I have with the whole discussion is that the right inconsistently uses life and sin to frame the discussion, and the left have irrationally hitched their wagons to this purity test around privacy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think I acknowledged this earlier in the thread although its hard to keep track of all the abortion threads.

The Pandora’s Box is open. The only way restrictions to abortion works is if you shore up birth control and adoption programs.

The problem I have with the whole discussion is that the right inconsistently uses life and sin to frame the discussion, and the left have irrationally hitched their wagons to this purity test around privacy.

Privacy is what Roe vs Wade was decided on. It's not irrational to argue from that standpoint, especially when numbers don't lie.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...n-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade

The irrational members of our society stand out. You know them, they spread lies about others who disagree with them. They wish others to live by a professed set of morals that they can't adhere to themselves. The bawk at preventative pregnancy measures just as much as any stage abortion. They implement state laws meant to challenge Roe vs Wade. It's their own little holy war. They vote for this, and believe it's true also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/trump-abortion-fact-check.html

So, spare us the #bothsides, it's just sad at this point.

As others have pointed out, there no such thing as a "pro-abortion" person. There's people, like myself, who don't agree with abortion, would prefer preventative methods, but also agree its a woman's private choice. Just more lies conservatives spread to fight a 40 year grudge match that's actually reduced abortion rates and made it safer.

 

[HomerJS]

Spare me. If we could guarantee perfect security and support for mothers and children, would abortion proponents suddenly oppose abortion? Dont be silly. The real objective is complete negation of that child's existence, whatever the cost. That cost is measured in corpses, and proponents call for celebrating of it.

The sooner this butchery is put to an end, the better.

Fertilized eggs are not children

 

[HomerJS]

Going thru the thread it was apparent that the majority of the posters are in favor of aborting babies. Emphasis was placed on rape, incest and the controlling of the female. Oddly enough, nothing was ever mentioned about God. If you exclude God from the picture (life) you in essence become god. Dictating who shall live and die. Where does that leave you? Do you ever think about that when you typing your arrogant and opinionated responses?

Lets not forget that our life here on earth is but a blink of the eye insofar as the big picture is concerned. Killing or supporting abortion is an act that many people do not want to be held accountable for.

Say what you want, act out what you say....you are the one that will live with it.

Let me ask you something. Since you people are moving to criminalize miscarriages if a women spontaneously aborts who do you charge? God? That would seem logical.

 

[HomerJS]

The federal government does not intercede in deciding how parents treat their children's illnesses. What about parents who refuse traditional medial treatments based on religion?

Are we advocating the government decide how and when parents provide medical treatment for their kids?

 

[Starbuck1975]

So, spare us the #bothsides, it's just sad at this point.

It’s not sad at all. Without a scientific consensus on conciousness and personhood, there are reasonable grounds for debate.

Also for Roe B Wade, SCOTUS ruled the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment provides a fundamental “right to privacy”, so not sure how you can claim otherwise. It was a poor precedent.

As others have pointed out, there no such thing as a "pro-abortion" person. There's people, like myself, who don't agree with abortion, would prefer preventative methods, but also agree its a woman's private choice.

If we were to scientifically establish the moment of consciousness, would you support abortion after that point?

Just more lies conservatives spread to fight a 40 year grudge match that's actually reduced abortion rates and made it safer.

Why do you think the GOP is reviving the abortion debate now? Nothing will split the Democrat coalition more than a good old fashioned purity test pissing match over choice.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The federal government does not intercede in deciding how parents treat their children's illnesses. What about parents who refuse traditional medial treatments based on religion?

Are we advocating the government decide how and when parents provide medical treatment for their kids?

The government is growing increasingly assertive against the anti-vaccination movement, and rightfully so.

 

[HomerJS]

It’s not sad at all. Without a scientific consensus on conciousness and personhood, there are reasonable grounds for debate.

Also for Roe B Wade, SCOTUS ruled the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment provides a fundamental “right to privacy”, so not sure how you can claim otherwise. It was a poor precedent.

If we were to scientifically establish the moment of consciousness, would you support abortion after that point?

Why do you think the GOP is reviving the abortion debate now? Nothing will split the Democrat coalition more than a good old fashioned purity test pissing match over choice.

Except Alabama stepped so far over the line they have to walk it back. That handed Democrats a gift.