Al Gore

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
He is a hypocrite, plain and simple. Do as I say, not as I do. That's Al.

But let me tell you what really angers me about Mr. Gore, the pseudo-scientist. He says he makes up for all his jet trips and what-not by buying carbon reimbursements, or carbon registry, whatever. Its true, the secular progressives have made global warming into a religion, with sinners and saints. And Al Gore, like the Catholic church many years ago, has come up with the easy way out for the rich: Carbon credits. They are like the indulgences of the 21st century...

"Sure, my home burns 20X more energy than Joe Schmoe, but I can just buy 'forgiveness' via carbon creds. Meanwhile, since you are less important, er, I mean economically challenged, you'll just have to do the best you can with a fourescent bulb whilst I light the driveway to my home with perpetually burning natural gas. Good luck with that, now excuse me, I'm off in my private jet for skiing in Davos."

Just like the rich Catholics who could buy an indulgence and just keep on sinnning away. I don't get this. If the environmental purists, those of you who are truly super-green and Global Warming is your religion, you'd be angry at Gore too. Instead you defend him. You say, "Well he has to get around to promote the agenda." Its called the internet, he invented it right? He can just web-conference. Trust me, he's just about as enthusiastic via the internet as he is live and in person.

Of course I don't subscribe to Gore's theory of global warming. I'm telling you, 20 years from now we'll be worrying about it being too cold. Still, no one in the MSM will dare criticize Saint Gore. Two major factors impacting our planet's surface temp that the libs never want to address: Precipitation (the effect weather actually has on cooling the earth), and Solar warming.

No. You are not smart. Not only are you not smart, but you are ignorant. Please educate yourself before further posting.

 

[sisq0kidd]

So if the OP was ever a hypocrite, he shouldn't be calling Al Gore a hypocrite because that would make the OP a hypocrite... right?

I guess none of you practice what you preach either...

I'm so confused.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
So if the OP was ever a hypocrite, he shouldn't be calling Al Gore a hypocrite because that would make the OP a hypocrite... right?

I guess none of you practice what you preach either...

I'm so confused.

Definition of a hypocrite:

a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

 

[Rangoric]

So let me get this right.

If I had a solar setup that provided all of my electricity, and used all that electricity.

And that total electricity was more then the average household.

And I was very public about conserving carbon based electricity due to global warming effects.

I'd be a hypocrite?

He's against GLOBAL WARMING, not USING ELECTRICITY.
He's for CLEAN POWER not NO POWER.

 

[Skotty]

Being rich is okay. Consuming more because you are rich is also okay. That's the American way. He is not a hypocrite if he consumes more than the average american eco-nut, just like the average american eco-nut is not a hypocrite for driving a Prius and living in a small house instead of riding a bicycle and living in a mud hut. He is only a hypocrite if his emissions match or exceed the average for persons of similar wealth.

As for the "invented the internet" thing people love to drag up: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

 

[1EZduzit]

Who's the hypocrite?

 

[CryHavoc]

Utilitites usage is in the public domain, just like anyone on the internet can find out your mortgage information, how much you pay in property taxes and what you paid for your home, as well as the currently asessed value of your home.

Its all in the public domain.

now about the DrudgeReport, don't mistake his web site for a bastion of Republican Ideology. Drudge does lean right, but he shouldn't be taken as a Neocon. I know some of you left wingers will say he's as red as ol bushy and his gang, but he's pretty fair in his coverage, unlike say CBS, or CNN.

anyways I digress. The DrudgeReport links web sites to his page. So whats reported there isn't cheifly Drudge opinion peices, but links to the AP, Reuters, local newspapers web presence, etc.

There is a reason why his site is referred to as the single most influential and important news page out right now.

Back to Gore.

The ol addage comes to mind.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Carbon neutral my arse. Look at how he gets around from state to state promoting a carbon neutral agenda. He flies in a private jet that puts out more carbon per flight hour than your average small town.

Anyone read Michael Chrichton's State of Fear? If you haven't, I recommend reading it. Its a work of fiction, but the facts stated in the book are real and footnotes are provided for you to look into.

 

[Coldkilla]

1 Sentence:

HIS HOUSE IS 20X LARGER THAN MOST AMERICANS

Excuse him for having money. When your not home you waste energy inside your house. Except his house is 20x the size.. wow.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Skotty
Being rich is okay. Consuming more because you are rich is also okay. That's the American way. He is not a hypocrite if he consumes more than the average american eco-nut, just like the average american eco-nut is not a hypocrite for driving a Prius and living in a small house instead of riding a bicycle and living in a mud hut. He is only a hypocrite if his emissions match or exceed the average for persons of similar wealth.

As for the "invented the internet" thing people love to drag up: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Gore has a choice...flying in private jets or flying commercial. He choses private jets. Is it unreasonable to expect a small personal sacrifice from Gore? After all...he is the poster boy for carbon emission reduction. If he can't do this very small thing because it may be "inconvenient" for him, then how is he not a hypocrite?

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Skotty
Being rich is okay. Consuming more because you are rich is also okay. That's the American way. He is not a hypocrite if he consumes more than the average american eco-nut, just like the average american eco-nut is not a hypocrite for driving a Prius and living in a small house instead of riding a bicycle and living in a mud hut. He is only a hypocrite if his emissions match or exceed the average for persons of similar wealth.

As for the "invented the internet" thing people love to drag up: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Gore has a choice...flying in private jets or flying commercial. He choses private jets. Is it unreasonable to expect a small personal sacrifice from Gore? After all...he is the poster boy for carbon emission reduction. If he can't do this very small thing because it may be "inconvenient" for him, then how is he not a hypocrite?

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore

Bullsh*t. He flies commercial most of the time. You know, I find it amazing that despite the fact that the Tennessee electric company even states that he is 100% green in his house, the right-wingers here just can't face facts of any sort, at any time. He gets 100% of his power from wind, solar, etc sources. This thread's premise was built on a lie, so get over it.

Edit: Oh and btw, if it wasn't for his leadership in the Congress, we would not be debating this here. Al Gore wins a "Webby Lifetime Achievement Award"

 

[Moonbeam]

"Gore has a choice...flying in private jets or flying commercial. He choses private jets. Is it unreasonable to expect a small personal sacrifice from Gore?"

I didn't know you were so close to him that you could read his mind or knew all the factors that go into his decisions. How do you know that what he does is because of personal convenience? I think the only conclusion we can draw, via the law of projection, is that that's how you do things.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Definition of a hypocrite:

a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

So, you're publically feigning some interest in labeling Gore as a hypocrite, but you ignore all of the documented benefits resulting from what he does in using that energy and all of his documented efforts to minimize the ecological impact of the energy he uses.

Want to see a hypocrite? Grab a mirror.

Originally posted by: CryHavoc
Carbon neutral my arse. Look at how he gets around from state to state promoting a carbon neutral agenda. He flies in a private jet that puts out more carbon per flight hour than your average small town.

His work requires him to travel with a large group of support people to some destinations that may have little or no commercially scheduled transportation, and the fact that he is a former Vice President means that, BY LAW, his traveling group MUST include Secret Service security personnel.

You're raising the same BS red herring the right wing media wingnuts were spewing about Pelosi's use of a private jet, and the answer's the same. It's a necessary part of the job, and some of that is mandated by law for security reasons.

There's also the matter of the return on the investment for the fuel and the waste burden it adds when burned. Since Gore is having a profound effect on raising public awareness of global warming and action to fix the problems, whatever it costs to do that job is part of the cost of getting it done. The only question is whether he could do as much good while somehow reducing those financial and ecological costs.

If you disagree, please give us the benefit of your infinite wisdom to suggest alternative ways Gore could meet his schedule and workload without a private jet. If you can't, maybe you are the hypocrite. :roll:

 

[imported_Baloo]

Has two other homes in two others states, how much do they add to his energy consumption. Oh, and I like that that is not enough, so he invests more elsewhere.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
You're raising the same BS red herring the right wing media wingnuts were spewing about Pelosi's use of a private jet, and the answer's the same. It's a necessary part of the job, and some of that is mandated by law for security reasons.

That what the Hannites and the Limbaughtistas do!

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
He is a hypocrite, plain and simple. Do as I say, not as I do. That's Al.

But let me tell you what really angers me about Mr. Gore, the pseudo-scientist. He says he makes up for all his jet trips and what-not by buying carbon reimbursements, or carbon registry, whatever. Its true, the secular progressives have made global warming into a religion, with sinners and saints. And Al Gore, like the Catholic church many years ago, has come up with the easy way out for the rich: Carbon credits. They are like the indulgences of the 21st century...

"Sure, my home burns 20X more energy than Joe Schmoe, but I can just buy 'forgiveness' via carbon creds. Meanwhile, since you are less important, er, I mean economically challenged, you'll just have to do the best you can with a fourescent bulb whilst I light the driveway to my home with perpetually burning natural gas. Good luck with that, now excuse me, I'm off in my private jet for skiing in Davos."

Just like the rich Catholics who could buy an indulgence and just keep on sinnning away. I don't get this. If the environmental purists, those of you who are truly super-green and Global Warming is your religion, you'd be angry at Gore too. Instead you defend him. You say, "Well he has to get around to promote the agenda." Its called the internet, he invented it right? He can just web-conference. Trust me, he's just about as enthusiastic via the internet as he is live and in person.

Of course I don't subscribe to Gore's theory of global warming. I'm telling you, 20 years from now we'll be worrying about it being too cold. Still, no one in the MSM will dare criticize Saint Gore. Two major factors impacting our planet's surface temp that the libs never want to address: Precipitation (the effect weather actually has on cooling the earth), and Solar warming.

The gist of your argument is bolded, and to be quite honest it isn't worth the time you took to type the rest of your rambling.

thanks for playing.

The simple fact is Gore has been right all along and you wingers can't stand it!

Sorry if that frustrates you, but get used to it. The next several years is set up to be real frustrating for the GOP.

 

[eojinlim]

Al Gore has brought incredible attention to this issue of Global Warming - something that can't be equated with how much energy the guy consumes because, quite frankly, that's besides the point.

People should stop looking at how much energy this guy is consuming and look at themselves in the mirror.

 

[fskimospy]

The only thing more impressive then how thoroughly the right wingers have been owned in this thread is the fact that they keep doggedly flailing against Gore.

It's sort of like Rocky 1 to be honest. Go the distance guys!

 

[daniel49]

Is Al Gore just drumming up buisness for himself by beating the global warming drum?
In essence his Carbon Credit purchases amount to buying stock in his own company.
http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Is Al Gore just drumming up buisness for himself by beating the global warming drum?
In essence his Carbon Credit purchases amount to buying stock in his own company.
http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350

Did you even read what it says?

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe?

So if you are claiming Gore is buying offsets from himself, then you also have to give him credit for investments in solar, wind, and other projects, which means he does offset his energy use. Of course you just want to bash him, so you fail to connect the dots.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only thing more impressive then how thoroughly the right wingers have been owned in this thread is the fact that they keep doggedly flailing against Gore.

It's sort of like Rocky 1 to be honest. Go the distance guys!

It's been absolutely delicious to watch :thumbsup:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only thing more impressive then how thoroughly the right wingers have been owned in this thread is the fact that they keep doggedly flailing against Gore.

It's sort of like Rocky 1 to be honest. Go the distance guys!

It's been absolutely delicious to watch :thumbsup:

Whats even better is that George Bush is more green than Al Gore!! :laugh:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: daniel49
Is Al Gore just drumming up buisness for himself by beating the global warming drum?
In essence his Carbon Credit purchases amount to buying stock in his own company.
http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350

Did you even read what it says?

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe?

So if you are claiming Gore is buying offsets from himself, then you also have to give him credit for investments in solar, wind, and other projects, which means he does offset his energy use. Of course you just want to bash him, so you fail to connect the dots.

Continuing senseamp's analysis, why does it matter whether Gore has an interest in the company he pays for his carbon offsets? He founded a company that's in the business of investing in green power. That doesn't mean he founded it to lose money. If it's profitable, he's entitled to a return on that investment and compensation for the work he does for it as chairman.

The very nature of the company's business gives them carbon offset credits they can sell on the open market. There's nothing wrong if Gore's power consumption also makes also a customer of his own company's services, as long as he pays the same rate as other customers for the credits.

Are you trying to tell us that it's illegal or unethical for execs of any company to buy their own company's goods and services? :roll:

Originally posted by: JD50
Whats even better is that George Bush is more green than Al Gore!! :laugh:

If Bush is greener than Gore, it's only from envy. :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: daniel49
Is Al Gore just drumming up buisness for himself by beating the global warming drum?
In essence his Carbon Credit purchases amount to buying stock in his own company.
http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350

Did you even read what it says?

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe?

So if you are claiming Gore is buying offsets from himself, then you also have to give him credit for investments in solar, wind, and other projects, which means he does offset his energy use. Of course you just want to bash him, so you fail to connect the dots.

Continuing senseamp's analysis, why does it matter whether Gore has an interest in the company he pays for his carbon offsets? He founded a company that's in the business of investing in green power. That doesn't mean he founded it to lose money. If it's profitable, he's entitled to a return on that investment and compensation for the work he does for it as chairman.

The very nature of the company's business gives them carbon offset credits they can sell on the open market. There's nothing wrong if Gore's power consumption also makes also a customer of his own company's services, as long as he pays the same rate as other customers for the credits.

Are you trying to tell us that it's illegal or unethical for execs of any company to buy their own company's goods and services? :roll:

Originally posted by: JD50
Whats even better is that George Bush is more green than Al Gore!! :laugh:

If Bush is greener than Gore, it's only from envy. :laugh:

So, its ok for Gore to go around the country, trying to scare people with the whole man made GW thing, promoting carbon offsets, lining his own pocket in the process because he has a major in the company that provides the service? Yet, you guys are constantly trying to connect the dots between GWB, Cheney, Haliburton and oil prices and demonizing them for it.

Why would Bush be envious of Gore? Bush beat Gore in the Presidential election, now he is beating Gore in the energy conservation movement as well. :laugh:

 

[deepinya]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Tab
I think there's something else we ought to be looking at besides the power consumption of Gore's mansion. He's a millionare and millionares tend to have big homes that take up a lot of juice but Gore on the otherhand is an enviormentalist. Now, I don't think Gore should be living in a mud hut but I do think there's a much better way to criticize the man. Does he leave the lights on when he's not at home? Does he leave his car running? Does he turn down the thermostat when he goes to sleep? Does his mansion use any incandescent lighting?

All in all folks, unlesss we knew a bit more about Gore there really isn't anything to see here but a bunch of mental masturbation for conservatives.

I think that the point is that many of us are fed up with the do as I say, not as I do crowd.

So basically, unless he is living in a cave and walking to and from, he can't have a message and try and raise awarness to a real problem facing our planet. Got it.

:roll:

jfc you are a mental case

The point of this thread, (Ill keep it simple for you since your views are so warped even a monkey can see it)

PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH

Is it really that hard to comprehend??

 

[QuantumPion]

carbon credits = the plenary indulgences of the global warming religion.