Al Gore

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
raise your hand if you're just now figuring out that Gore is a hypocritical douchebag...

I think he is an admirable guy. He is intelligent, rational, has strong critical thinking skills, and he is concerned for the wellbeing of others and the world he lives in.

The lies being spread about Gore are easily dismissable, e.g., see the article that was linked to earlier in this thread:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Corbett
Carbon offsets are a joke Harvey.

It only proves that the rich can do whatever they want, and shell out some extra cash because they feel bad about it.

Why are they a joke? The world is not going to stop producing C02 instantaneously. Carbon offset credits work with overall limits to help distrbute the carbon load between those who can more easily reduce their CO2 production and those who cannot move as quickly to do so by giving the heavier producers a viable alternative to ignoring the problem. They're not intended to be more than a short term means to ease the transition.

As long as you're going to make blanket statements, it would help to back them up with real facts an links.

Regardless of how effective they are, as long as the world is producing CO2, and offset programs exist, the facts that Gore is participating in it fully and that he is purchasing 100% green power from his local utility, just go to the point that he's using the available to reduce his personal carbon footprint, as opposed to doing nothing.

So then I guess it is safe to say that George W Bush is doing a GREAT job because even though our troops are dieing in Iraq, he is saving hundreds of thousands of lives both in American and Iraq! He is offsetting death!

You really don't have the slightest clue as to what carbon offsets are do you?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do you really believe that line of crap about carbon offsets?
The man burned about 10,000-15,000 gallons of Jet A in a 36 hour period a couple of months back criss crossing the continent. How many tree's need to be planted to offset that?

About 1/10th of one acre. (An acre absorbs about 2.6 tons of CO2 per year, and a gallon of jet fuel puts out about 20lbs.)

Of course that's yearly absorption of CO2...so really, far less then that. Why? What were you expecting?

(note: by showing Genx this I am not endorsing the retarded argument that the miniscule amount fossil fuels that Gore burns while going around the country trying to change things makes him a hypocrite, as all the fuel he could possibly burn in his lifetime is a drop in the bucket as compared to the changes that his speaking, etc might make)

You think burning 10-15,000 gallons of fuel in 36 hours is miniscule? How many gallons of gasoline do you burn in an entire year? Please dont complain when us avg folk drive SUVs mmkay?

I suggest you read the note at the end of my post. It was the one calling your argument stupid.

If you need to burn some extra fuel personally in order to attempt to affect change that will cause reductions billions of times greater then what you are doing, that's a good thing.

Of course you couldn't care less. Nothing Al Gore can or will do will ever cause you to do anything but hate him, because he's not on your political "team". I understand, it's like a sports team. I hate the Dallas Cowboys the same way. That's why I try to skip over your postings whenever I see them (which I obviously don't always do so well at). I already know what you're going to say before you say it... and it's boring.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
NTDZ:

First sentence in that article: "Al Gore, a leading voice against global warming, is being criticized by a conservative group that claims his Nashville mansion uses too much electricity." The article then describes what the conservative group is claiming. Good job. :thumbsup:

You have figured out by now that utility bills are public information, right? He does use however many times more than the average household, that's a fact thats undisputed by anyone. Go to CNN.com and watch the video they have on there about it.

"Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."

Yea seems like a real good source you have their. :roll:

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
NTDZ:

First sentence in that article: "Al Gore, a leading voice against global warming, is being criticized by a conservative group that claims his Nashville mansion uses too much electricity." The article then describes what the conservative group is claiming. Good job. :thumbsup:

You have figured out by now that utility bills are public information, right? He does use however many times more than the average household, that's a fact thats undisputed by anyone. Go to CNN.com and watch the video they have on there about it.

"Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."

Yea seems like a real good source you have their. :roll:

Considering Al Gore issued a statement and didn't deny the bill, I'm pretty sure it's real. Oh, and don't roll your eyes at me when the word that precedes it is misspelled.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
NTDZ:

First sentence in that article: "Al Gore, a leading voice against global warming, is being criticized by a conservative group that claims his Nashville mansion uses too much electricity." The article then describes what the conservative group is claiming. Good job. :thumbsup:

You have figured out by now that utility bills are public information, right? He does use however many times more than the average household, that's a fact thats undisputed by anyone. Go to CNN.com and watch the video they have on there about it.

"Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."

Yea seems like a real good source you have their. :roll:

Considering Al Gore issued a statement and didn't deny the bill, I'm pretty sure it's real. Oh, and don't roll your eyes at me when the word that precedes it is misspelled.

Thats the best you can come up with is they did not deny it and a wrong word.

You were the one saying it was from the power company then you said it was public record now... Maybe you should change your thread title to ntdz Is a hypocrite. But I guess republicans will reach for anything right now.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
NTDZ:

First sentence in that article: "Al Gore, a leading voice against global warming, is being criticized by a conservative group that claims his Nashville mansion uses too much electricity." The article then describes what the conservative group is claiming. Good job. :thumbsup:

You have figured out by now that utility bills are public information, right? He does use however many times more than the average household, that's a fact thats undisputed by anyone. Go to CNN.com and watch the video they have on there about it.

"Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."

Yea seems like a real good source you have their. :roll:

Considering Al Gore issued a statement and didn't deny the bill, I'm pretty sure it's real. Oh, and don't roll your eyes at me when the word that precedes it is misspelled.

Thats the best you can come up with is they did not deny it and a wrong word.

You were the one saying it was from the power company then you said it was public record now... Maybe you should change your thread title to ntdz Is a hypocrite. But I guess republicans will reach for anything right now.

LMAO. Utility bills are PUBLIC RECORD, for christs sake.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=politics&id=5073282

Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that "the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it.

Please, just leave the thread before you make a bigger ass out of yourself.

 

[ericlp]

Yawn.... 11 Pages of WORTHLESS Post's for a WORTHLESS topic... WhoTF cares what Al Gores electrical usage was on... Damn, maybe the man has a marijuana farm... Maybe he has 50K computers hooked up to SETI.... So What.... Who Cares. Yeah, so he doesn't practice what he preaches. I can name TONS of people that don't do that....

So, what he probably has a hobby that uses a lot of electricity. Isn't it still America? He is paying his bill... Move along.... Hmmm, Maybe he conserves every other month?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do you really believe that line of crap about carbon offsets?
The man burned about 10,000-15,000 gallons of Jet A in a 36 hour period a couple of months back criss crossing the continent. How many tree's need to be planted to offset that?

About 1/10th of one acre. (An acre absorbs about 2.6 tons of CO2 per year, and a gallon of jet fuel puts out about 20lbs.)

Of course that's yearly absorption of CO2...so really, far less then that. Why? What were you expecting?

(note: by showing Genx this I am not endorsing the retarded argument that the miniscule amount fossil fuels that Gore burns while going around the country trying to change things makes him a hypocrite, as all the fuel he could possibly burn in his lifetime is a drop in the bucket as compared to the changes that his speaking, etc might make)

You think burning 10-15,000 gallons of fuel in 36 hours is miniscule? How many gallons of gasoline do you burn in an entire year? Please dont complain when us avg folk drive SUVs mmkay?

I suggest you read the note at the end of my post. It was the one calling your argument stupid.

If you need to burn some extra fuel personally in order to attempt to affect change that will cause reductions billions of times greater then what you are doing, that's a good thing.

Of course you couldn't care less. Nothing Al Gore can or will do will ever cause you to do anything but hate him, because he's not on your political "team". I understand, it's like a sports team. I hate the Dallas Cowboys the same way. That's why I try to skip over your postings whenever I see them (which I obviously don't always do so well at). I already know what you're going to say before you say it... and it's boring.

Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

We have phrases for you Apologists too:

America haters

Traitors

Gore is an American and love America, unlike you and your cohorts.

At least he made a movie with his money and travels the Country with the message.

In fact he will be here tomorrow at Oklahoma University. There is no seats left.

What have you done lately other than hate America?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87
Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

Buzzing

Anybody else hear a buzzing sound coming from this post?

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87
Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

Buzzing

Anybody else hear a buzzing sound coming from this post?

I'm still trying to figure out how pointing out the hypocrisy of Gore makes you a traitor.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87
Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

Buzzing

Anybody else hear a buzzing sound coming from this post?

I'm still trying to figure out how pointing out the hypocrisy of Gore makes you a traitor.

You have to understand Dave, he claims to be a free thinking freedom loving individual when he is nothing but a conformist who loves leftist authortarians. Thus when you question the political elite from the left you are a traitor because you arent supposed to question their chracter, motives, or hypocrisy. Instead you are supposed to bow your head and allow them to do whatever they want and do whatever they ask.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do you really believe that line of crap about carbon offsets?
The man burned about 10,000-15,000 gallons of Jet A in a 36 hour period a couple of months back criss crossing the continent. How many tree's need to be planted to offset that?

About 1/10th of one acre. (An acre absorbs about 2.6 tons of CO2 per year, and a gallon of jet fuel puts out about 20lbs.)

Of course that's yearly absorption of CO2...so really, far less then that. Why? What were you expecting?

(note: by showing Genx this I am not endorsing the retarded argument that the miniscule amount fossil fuels that Gore burns while going around the country trying to change things makes him a hypocrite, as all the fuel he could possibly burn in his lifetime is a drop in the bucket as compared to the changes that his speaking, etc might make)

You think burning 10-15,000 gallons of fuel in 36 hours is miniscule? How many gallons of gasoline do you burn in an entire year? Please dont complain when us avg folk drive SUVs mmkay?

I suggest you read the note at the end of my post. It was the one calling your argument stupid.

If you need to burn some extra fuel personally in order to attempt to affect change that will cause reductions billions of times greater then what you are doing, that's a good thing.

Of course you couldn't care less. Nothing Al Gore can or will do will ever cause you to do anything but hate him, because he's not on your political "team". I understand, it's like a sports team. I hate the Dallas Cowboys the same way. That's why I try to skip over your postings whenever I see them (which I obviously don't always do so well at). I already know what you're going to say before you say it... and it's boring.

Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

hehe coming from someone who chose to call the civil war in Iraq "civil strife" so as to defend his wingnut heroes.

hehehe that is good stuff man.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's absolutely amazing the effort that's necessary to prove a simple point such as the fact that utility bills are a matter of public record. How can you rationally discuss anything with people who are incapable of grasping the simplest of things? It's obvious that these extremely partisan Libs will defend him no matter what he does...he's a rich, arrogant, elitist, hypocrite...but he's THEIR rich, arrogant, elitist, hypocrite. We all know that if he were a Republican...it would be a different story. With them...it's not about principle...it's all about politics. But maybe Gore does deserve a 'pass' on this...after all, he did invent the internet.

The one thing I really can't understand is why Gore can't at least fly commercial...is that too much of a sacrifice to ask for someone so committed to reducing carbon emissions? I think not. Therefore he deserves to be called a hypocrite and has no right to ask others to make sacrifices when he himself is unwilling to do anything beyond what his money will buy.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
It's absolutely amazing the effort that's necessary to prove a simple point such as the fact that utility bills are a matter of public record. How can you rationally discuss anything with people who are incapable of grasping the simplest of things? It's obvious that these extremely partisan Libs will defend him no matter what he does...he's a rich, arrogant, elitist, hypocrite...but he's THEIR rich, arrogant, elitist, hypocrite. We all know that if he were a Republican...it would be a different story. With them...it's not about principle...it's all about politics. But maybe Gore does deserve a 'pass' on this...after all, he did invent the internet.

I one thing I really can't understand is why Gore can't at least fly commercial...is that too much of a sacrifice to ask for someone so committed to reducing carbon emissions? I think not. Therefore he deserves to be called a hypocrite and has no right to ask others to make sacrifices when he himself is unwilling to do anything beyond what his money will buy.

you demonize Gore, that is fine. He has influence over a great many people but obviously not everyone is going to agree with him.

That is fine too.

I suggest maybe you get the sand out of your mangina and get on with your life.

As for your public utilities issue. No, an individuals public utility useage is not public information. There is public information about area and or regional useage. I think you can even get useage data that is more specific, but you certainly cannot call up a utility company and ask them how much Al Gore is spending on his electricity.

Privacy Acts.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
NTDZ:

First sentence in that article: "Al Gore, a leading voice against global warming, is being criticized by a conservative group that claims his Nashville mansion uses too much electricity." The article then describes what the conservative group is claiming. Good job. :thumbsup:

You have figured out by now that utility bills are public information, right? He does use however many times more than the average household, that's a fact thats undisputed by anyone. Go to CNN.com and watch the video they have on there about it.

"Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."

Yea seems like a real good source you have their. :roll:

What do you not understand? Do you consider the AP a good source? The AP reviewed his bills. I'll quote it again...

"The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press. The typical Nashville household uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year."

Read the part in bold.

 

[OrByte]

And to follow up on the utility bill issue. The only way to get a utility company to fork over information on an individual OTHER THAN yourself is to commit a crime called pretexting. These companies do not release information unless you first prove you are the individual living at the residence.

However, there are still ways to get a hold of utility bills. Dumpster-diving. And I wouldn't put it past some people to dumpster-dive in Al Gores trash. Then again, Gore could have just released his bills to the press too.

shrug

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do you really believe that line of crap about carbon offsets?
The man burned about 10,000-15,000 gallons of Jet A in a 36 hour period a couple of months back criss crossing the continent. How many tree's need to be planted to offset that?

About 1/10th of one acre. (An acre absorbs about 2.6 tons of CO2 per year, and a gallon of jet fuel puts out about 20lbs.)

Of course that's yearly absorption of CO2...so really, far less then that. Why? What were you expecting?

(note: by showing Genx this I am not endorsing the retarded argument that the miniscule amount fossil fuels that Gore burns while going around the country trying to change things makes him a hypocrite, as all the fuel he could possibly burn in his lifetime is a drop in the bucket as compared to the changes that his speaking, etc might make)

You think burning 10-15,000 gallons of fuel in 36 hours is miniscule? How many gallons of gasoline do you burn in an entire year? Please dont complain when us avg folk drive SUVs mmkay?

I suggest you read the note at the end of my post. It was the one calling your argument stupid.

If you need to burn some extra fuel personally in order to attempt to affect change that will cause reductions billions of times greater then what you are doing, that's a good thing.

Of course you couldn't care less. Nothing Al Gore can or will do will ever cause you to do anything but hate him, because he's not on your political "team". I understand, it's like a sports team. I hate the Dallas Cowboys the same way. That's why I try to skip over your postings whenever I see them (which I obviously don't always do so well at). I already know what you're going to say before you say it... and it's boring.

Lenin had a phrase for people like you in the west who championed his ideology. He called them useful idiots, people who made apologies for the hypocrites within the communist party and the mistakes they made.

You making excuses for a politician who burns fuel and uses energy at rates far higher than the common folk because he is who he is, is just another example of what Lenin said.

hehe coming from someone who chose to call the civil war in Iraq "civil strife" so as to defend his wingnut heroes.

hehehe that is good stuff man.

Oh how cute, more off topic rhetoric.

/clap

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So if the argument is that Gore is a hypocrite for pushing for energy conservation and not following through with it, does this mean that supporters of the war in Iraq that aren't joining up to serve are hypocrites as well?

Just thought I'd ask again....

OMG, I must have missed this the first time you posted this!

Trump.

/thread until I hear the pitter patter of neocon keyboard warrior boots over in Iraq.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Just remember

The holier-than-thou leftist environmentalists will rail about American's destroying the environment, yet when they do it they will claim some people need to be exceptions. Why? Because the bulk of these whackos are the rich, who are not impacted by the restrictions and never will be. They will buy their "CARBON OFFSETS" as if that justifies their exhorbinant lifestyles.

Sorry, an offset is not a committment to the environment. Buying green power is one thing, buying 30,000 dollars worth to support your home PART TIME , this is not his full time house, for a small family, is waste.

When enviro-whackos like Gore learn to live like common American's then he might just have a right to lecture us on the environment. Until people like him waste more energy than any thousand American families could conserve.

Remember, this is just one of his houses which the family doesn't even live in full time. Yet they spend over $30K to maintain just the utilities! How many dinos died today for Al?

 

[Pens1566]

I can't believe there's 11 pages complaining about Gore's 12+ times the size of the average house using 12 times the average electricity.

Since everyone seems to be screaming hypocrite, why don't they post the size of their house and their electricity usage? I'll start:

3400sq ft --> 920 KWH / 30 days

While I'm at it, 2 cars both get over 30mpg.

Next?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So if the argument is that Gore is a hypocrite for pushing for energy conservation and not following through with it, does this mean that supporters of the war in Iraq that aren't joining up to serve are hypocrites as well?

Just thought I'd ask again....

OMG, I must have missed this the first time you posted this!

Trump.

/thread until I hear the pitter patter of neocon keyboard warrior boots over in Iraq.

ummm.....no, horrible analogy.

Supporters of the war are not telling everyone else that they should go and fight the war, while not going and fighting themselves.

Al Gore is telling everyone to conserve energy and live modestly, while not doing that himself.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I can't believe there's 11 pages complaining about Gore's 12+ times the size of the average house using 12 times the average electricity.

Since everyone seems to be screaming hypocrite, why don't they post the size of their house and their electricity usage? I'll start:

3400sq ft --> 920 KWH / 30 days

While I'm at it, 2 cars both get over 30mpg.

Next?

Yes, 11 pages and you still don't get it. No one is complaining that a large house has large energy consumption. We are pointing out that Gore tells everyone else to conserve, but he doesn't do it himself. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

It doesn't matter what your house consumes, you are not flying around the country trying to scare everyone about global warming.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I can't believe there's 11 pages complaining about Gore's 12+ times the size of the average house using 12 times the average electricity.

Since everyone seems to be screaming hypocrite, why don't they post the size of their house and their electricity usage? I'll start:

3400sq ft --> 920 KWH / 30 days

While I'm at it, 2 cars both get over 30mpg.

Next?

Yes, 11 pages and you still don't get it. No one is complaining that a large house has large energy consumption. We are pointing out that Gore tells everyone else to conserve, but he doesn't do it himself. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

It doesn't matter what your house consumes, you are not flying around the country trying to scare everyone about global warming.

I didn't see any usage stats