Al Gore... I want my money back!

[rudder]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

So we are headed for 2-3 decades of cooler temps. Wouldn't you know, I just closed on some Maine beach front property that I was going to turn into a tropical paradise and get rich.

I am going to now be the anti-Al Gore and tell everyone to spew more CO2 so we don't all freeze are butts off. Al made out quite good with global warming... I will do just as well with global cooling.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

It gets even better. The UN "global warming czar" or whatever (it might actually be in your link...I didn't read it all) actually claims that this oncoming "Ice Age" is actually caused by global warming.

Doom, gloom, APOCALYPSE! Oh, and gives us lots of money. But act now or ALL HOPE IS LOST! The science is settled!

AGW is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) hoaxes in human history. Stealing billions of dollars and destroying world economies in the name of a lie. One day it's warming, the next day it's cooling, then it's neutral "climate change" so they can pretty much claim that whatever happens, they told you so.

It's a pretty sweet deal if you're Algore and his AGW scammer buddies. Big money. At the end, it's all about the $$$.

Sucks to be us, because people still believe this tripe.

 

[Genx87]

The MMGW religious are circling the wagons to keep their cash cow producing. Every deviation from the norm will be because of our carbon consuming habits. Like for instance, MN having 10-15 degree below normal temps the last 10 days is because of MMGW. Now we are going into a spell of being about 8-10 degrees warmer than normal. MMGW is to blame for that as well!

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Every deviation from the norm will be because of our carbon consuming habits.

Exactly. It was "global cooling" and "the pending second Ice Age" in the 70s, then it was trendy to say "global warming", but now it is generic "climate change" since global cooling and global warming both turned out to be false. Now, with a general blanket "climate change", anything that happens with the weather...warming, cooling, nothing, they can claim some sort of "man-made climate change" and keep the $$$ flowing.

It's a giant money-sucking racket from top to bottom, and people buy into the scam hook, line and sinker. And the rest of us suffer because people actually listen to crooks like Algore and his AGW cronies.

 

[drebo]

I've always said that the pro-AGW camp has a win-win ideology: if temperatures do go up and the climate changes, they get to say "we told you so," regardless of the cause; and if nothing happens, they get to pat themselves on the back and say how great they are for saving the world, regardless of the cause; and if temperatures go down, as they've been predicted to for 40 years now, they get to blame it on "climate change" because that's really what we're talking about here, yep, uh huh, yessiree.

 

[Hacp]

Overall, temperatures should remain the same but some heat is going to be transferred up north and some chill is going down south. Now, who's to say that this isn't a bad thing? Don't people in Canada and Siberia deserve nice warm temperatures? How much more land for farming and growing things will we get by thawing off those two igloos?

 

[Zargon]

we dont need more farmland...

 

[drebo]

Overall, temperatures should remain the same but some heat is going to be transferred up north and some chill is going down south. Now, who's to say that this isn't a bad thing? Don't people in Canada and Siberia deserve nice warm temperatures? How much more land for farming and growing things will we get by thawing off those two igloos?

That's a question the pro-AGW crowd refuses to answer. Any deviation from the status quo AS WE KNOW IT is bad, despite the fact that where we are right now is probably a deviation from the status quo OF THE PLANET itself.

 

[GoPackGo]

Of course they refuse to answer....this all just proves they don't know what the hell they are talking about...they have been pull shit out of their arses for years...and fudging data models etc to get the results they are after.

That is not science...it is fraud....

 

[feralkid]

What? There are TWO Koreas?

That's where the Birth Certificates blew up WTC!

 

[spacejamz]

but what about manbearpig??

 

[Jaskalas]

Sucks to be us, because people still believe this tripe.

I think it's more a result of group identity than anything else.

 

[Sureshot324]

Temerature studies for the last 1000 years

You think this disproves global warming? There will always be natural warming and cooling cycles but most temperature studies agree that global temps have gone sharply upwards since the industrial age.

 

[Robor]

So the climate scientists who are predicting global temps will continue to rise are wrong and those who disagree are 100% right? Gotcha.

 

[Jaskalas]

Temerature studies for the last 1000 years

You think this disproves global warming? There will always be natural warming and cooling cycles but most temperature studies agree that global temps have gone sharply upwards since the industrial age.

Ooooo, a thousand year time scale!!

Try HUNDREDS of thousands if you want to put climate into a perspective.

Your thousand year time scale shows what exactly, that we've been warming since the last ice age?

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Ooooo, a thousand year time scale!!

Try HUNDREDS of thousands if you want to put climate into a perspective.

Your thousand year time scale shows what exactly, that we've been warming since the last ice age?

It shows that we are all DOOMED unless you give Algore and the UN lots of money and total control, NOW! Why are you debating this? The time for debate is over! The science is settled!

Please make your checks payable to the Church of Climatology, and we will send you a signed picture of The Blessed Prophet, Algore!

 

[FerrelGeek]

What? There are TWO Koreas?

That's where the Birth Certificates blew up WTC!

Shouldn't you be at school or did you mommy call your 5th grade teacher and tell him you have a tummy ache?

 

[spidey07]

It shows that we are all DOOMED unless you give Algore and the UN lots of money and total control, NOW! Why are you debating this? The time for debate is over! The science is settled!

Please make your checks payable to the Church of Climatology, and we will send you a signed picture of The Blessed Prophet, Algore!

Fortunately I think people are starting to realize it was all a scam. The people who may have been on the fence had their minds made up with Climategate.

 

[feralkid]

Shouldn't you be at school or did you mommy call your 5th grade teacher and tell him you have a tummy ache?

Sorry; I didn't know you were a Birther.

Back to the circle with you.

 

[ayabe]

Fortunately I think people are starting to realize it was all a scam. The people who may have been on the fence had their minds made up with Climategate.

Only those convinced by their gut that it's a scam in the first place. I hope you guys are correct, since we're not going to get anything done about it.

20 years from now, I hope there isn't mass starvation and endless wars over food and arable land. That's a bleak future to leave to your children.

Here is how I see it:

1. We do something about climate change, whatever we feel we can do, which will lead to increased energy prices. Upside - we could slow the warming caused by fossil fuels. Downside - higher prices.

2. We do nothing. Upside- we postpone any price increases. Downside - possible extinction of the human race.

The possible ramifications of doing nothing far outweigh making it more expensive to sustain our standard of living.

I would say for those of us who don't believe in a magical fairy land once we die the stakes rise considerably.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Upside - we could slow the warming caused by fossil fuels. Downside - higher prices.

Except the upside is a myth and a complete lie, so there is only a downside.

 

[ayabe]

Except the upside is a myth and a complete lie, so there is only a downside.

So you think it's impossible to limit carbon emissions or that limiting carbon emissions will slow the warming? Only the most hardcore idiot believes that we have no control over climate change or that our carbon emissions have zero impact on our climate.

I'll give you guys a scenario which exactly lays out what I think it at play here.

Guy shows up at your door with a box and says you have a 50% chance of opening the box and getting $2000, if that's the case then you will receive $2000 a year in a box on your doorstep for the rest of your life.

There's also a 50% chance that you open the box and it explodes in your face, killing you.

Would you take that bet? I wouldn't, and saying that some kind of carbon tax, cap and trade "whatever" will cost you $2000 is overkill, it's likely less than $1000 a year for most people.

Sorry but $1000-2000 a year isn't worth my life or the future of humanity. The downsides are just too great, even if less than 50% of the dire consequences Al Gore lays out could come to pass, it's not a world I would want to live in.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

So you think it's impossible to limit carbon emissions or that limiting carbon emissions will slow the warming? Only the most hardcore idiot believes that we have no control over climate change or that our carbon emissions have zero impact on our climate.

I'll give you guys a scenario which exactly lays out what I think it at play here.

Guy shows up at your door with a box and says you have a 50% chance of opening the box and getting $2000, if that's the case then you will receive $2000 a year in a box on your doorstep for the rest of your life.

There's also a 50% chance that you open the box and it explodes in your face, killing you.

Would you take that bet? I wouldn't, and saying that some kind of carbon tax, cap and trade "whatever" will cost you $2000 is overkill, it's likely less than $1000 a year for most people.

Sorry but $1000-2000 a year isn't worth my life or the future of humanity. The downsides are just too great, even if less than 50% of the dire consequences Al Gore lays out could come to pass, it's not a world I would want to live in.

There is no man-made global warming. You've been sold a bill of goods, and you'll happily fork over your hard-earned money to Algore and his cronies in the name of "saving the planet". It is classical scare tactics. They are frauds. Their doom and gloom predictions are manufactured lies. AGW is a hoax. They are getting rich off of keeping you frightened. And they intend to keep you afraid (because it keeps them rich), no matter how good, bad or neutral things become.

Go back and listen to the AGW communities dire, catastrophic predictions. Go back to the 70's, 80's, 90's...listen to Algore sound bites from the 90's, for example. Sound familiar? Yup, same urgent "crisis" that will doom us all any day now, but hey wait a minute, NONE OF IT HAS COME TRUE, even though they continually claim that things are getting worse and that we are on a certain road to ruin.

A logical person would look at their claims, see what is really happening, and determine that they are liars and are in it for the money. However, global warming is more than just a money making scheme...it is a cult, pretty much religious, hence all the emotion clouding the vision of many from the cold, hard facts.

The Church of Climatology is a sham.

 

[Jaskalas]

Here is how I see it:

1. We do something about climate change, whatever we feel we can do, which will lead to increased energy prices. Upside - we could slow the warming caused by fossil fuels. Downside - higher prices.

2. We do nothing. Upside- we postpone any price increases. Downside - possible extinction of the human race.

Extinction, really...? Do try to explain how you came to such an absurd conclusion.

 

[Hacp]

So you think it's impossible to limit carbon emissions or that limiting carbon emissions will slow the warming? Only the most hardcore idiot believes that we have no control over climate change or that our carbon emissions have zero impact on our climate.

I'll give you guys a scenario which exactly lays out what I think it at play here.

Guy shows up at your door with a box and says you have a 50% chance of opening the box and getting $2000, if that's the case then you will receive $2000 a year in a box on your doorstep for the rest of your life.

There's also a 50% chance that you open the box and it explodes in your face, killing you.

Would you take that bet? I wouldn't, and saying that some kind of carbon tax, cap and trade "whatever" will cost you $2000 is overkill, it's likely less than $1000 a year for most people.

Sorry but $1000-2000 a year isn't worth my life or the future of humanity. The downsides are just too great, even if less than 50% of the dire consequences Al Gore lays out could come to pass, it's not a world I would want to live in.

There are an infinite amount of things that might eliminate the human race. You propose we spend trillions figuring out how to prevent those?

In fact, there is a small chance that suddenly, without warning, the molecules of the earth will realign just right at the exact same time and shoot everyone straight into space. Lets make sure we stop that or the human race will surely become extinct!!!