Al Gore... I want my money back!

[FerrelGeek]

Sorry; I didn't know you were a Birther.

Back to the circle with you.

Fail. No birther here. Not into conspiracy theories, son.

 

[GTaudiophile]

So, let me get this straight, Mother Earth detected some warming problems, especially with her oceans, and now she is cooling them down again? Without our help?

 

[Robor]

There is no man-made global warming. You've been sold a bill of goods, and you'll happily fork over your hard-earned money to Algore and his cronies in the name of "saving the planet". It is classical scare tactics. They are frauds. Their doom and gloom predictions are manufactured lies. AGW is a hoax. They are getting rich off of keeping you frightened. And they intend to keep you afraid (because it keeps them rich), no matter how good, bad or neutral things become.

Go back and listen to the AGW communities dire, catastrophic predictions. Go back to the 70's, 80's, 90's...listen to Algore sound bites from the 90's, for example. Sound familiar? Yup, same urgent "crisis" that will doom us all any day now, but hey wait a minute, NONE OF IT HAS COME TRUE, even though they continually claim that things are getting worse and that we are on a certain road to ruin.

A logical person would look at their claims, see what is really happening, and determine that they are liars and are in it for the money. However, global warming is more than just a money making scheme...it is a cult, pretty much religious, hence all the emotion clouding the vision of many from the cold, hard facts.

The Church of Climatology is a sham.

For someone who claims GW is a sham and semi-religion you sure do a lot of getting your sides opinion across.

 

[spidey07]

There is no man-made global warming. You've been sold a bill of goods, and you'll happily fork over your hard-earned money to Algore and his cronies in the name of "saving the planet". It is classical scare tactics. They are frauds. Their doom and gloom predictions are manufactured lies. AGW is a hoax. They are getting rich off of keeping you frightened. And they intend to keep you afraid (because it keeps them rich), no matter how good, bad or neutral things become.

Go back and listen to the AGW communities dire, catastrophic predictions. Go back to the 70's, 80's, 90's...listen to Algore sound bites from the 90's, for example. Sound familiar? Yup, same urgent "crisis" that will doom us all any day now, but hey wait a minute, NONE OF IT HAS COME TRUE, even though they continually claim that things are getting worse and that we are on a certain road to ruin.

A logical person would look at their claims, see what is really happening, and determine that they are liars and are in it for the money. However, global warming is more than just a money making scheme...it is a cult, pretty much religious, hence all the emotion clouding the vision of many from the cold, hard facts.

The Church of Climatology is a sham.

I find it extremely funny that South Park had it nailed from their global warming episode. And that was like 7-8 years ago.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Great world we live in.

Non-scientists figure out climate change is a myth.

Non-scientists figure out cause and cures for autism.

Non-scientists figure out evolution is a hoax.

Non-scientists figure out the billions of years old universe is a lie.

Welcome to the information age.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

For someone who claims GW is a sham and semi-religion you sure do a lot of getting your sides opinion across.

I am not the one proclaiming doom and gloom and trying to reshape the global economy; Algore and his AGW cronies are. Thus, the burden of proof (you know, FACTS, not warm, fuzzy feelings?) is on them, and so far, they have totally failed to provide anything other than manufactured junk science which has proven to be fraudulent and highly politicized.

Sorry if the truth chafes you.

 

[Robor]

I am not the one proclaiming doom and gloom and trying to reshape the global economy; Algore and his AGW cronies are. Thus, the burden of proof (you know, FACTS, not warm, fuzzy feelings?) is on them, and so far, they have totally failed to provide anything other than manufactured junk science which has proven to be fraudulent and highly politicized.

Sorry if the truth chafes you.

FYI - Not everyone is predicting doom and gloom.

FYI2 - Neither side has proven opinion (including yours).

FYI3 - Al Gore is not a scientist. He's just a figurehead. I know you guys have a hard-on for him but he's nothing more than that.

 

[Darwin333]

we dont need more farmland...

Depends on who "we" is and where they are at.

 

[ayabe]

I am not the one proclaiming doom and gloom and trying to reshape the global economy; Algore and his AGW cronies are. Thus, the burden of proof (you know, FACTS, not warm, fuzzy feelings?) is on them, and so far, they have totally failed to provide anything other than manufactured junk science which has proven to be fraudulent and highly politicized.

Sorry if the truth chafes you.

The facts are everywhere and are supported by the vast majority of those who study this shit 24/7.

Yes, I'll take cleaner air and water for $1000 Alex. We'll see how little that $1000 a year is by comparison when the midwest is too fucking hot to grow food anymore.

By all means, keep running with your delusion that the Climate emails debunked the whole shebang.

 

[marincounty]

Was Al Gore right about the lockbox? I'm sure glad we elected that other guy, who did a helluva job. Righties have been right about nothing the past few years, from tax cuts during wartime to invading the wrong country. Our country would be far better off had we elected Al Gore.

 

[ayabe]

Looks like the OP just got debunked by the primary source: from the Guardian:

A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

He added: "There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."

A report in the Mail on Sunday said that Latif's results "challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy's most deeply cherished beliefs" and "undermine the standard climate computer models". Monday's Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph repeated the claims.

The reports attempted to link the Arctic weather that has enveloped the UK with research published by Latif's team in the journal Nature in 2008. The research said that natural fluctuations in ocean temperature could have a bigger impact on global temperature than expected. In particular, the study concluded that cooling in the oceans could offset global warming, with the average temperature over the decades 2000-2010 and 2005-2015 predicted to be no higher than the average for 1994-2004. Despite clarifications from the scientists at the time, who stressed that the research did not challenge the predicted long-term warming trend, the study was widely misreported as signalling a switch from global warming to global cooling.

The Mail on Sunday article said that Latif's research showed that the current cold weather heralds such "a global trend towards cooler weather".

It said: "The BBC assured viewers that the big chill was was merely short-term 'weather' that had nothing to do with 'climate', which was still warming. The work of Prof Latif and the other scientists refutes that view."

Not according to Latif. "They are not related at all," he said. "What we are experiencing now is a weather phenomenon, while we talked about the mean temperature over the next 10 years. You can't compare the two."

He said the ocean temperature effect was similar to other natural influences on global temperature, such as volcanos, which cool the planet temporarily as ash spewed into the atmosphere reflects sunlight.

"The natural variation occurs side by side with the manmade warming. Sometimes it has a cooling effect and can offset this warming and other times it can accelerate it." Other scientists have questioned the strength of the ocean effect on overall temperature and disagree that global warming will show the predicted pause.

Latif said his research suggested that up to half the warming seen over the 20th century was down to this natural ocean effect, but said that was consistent with the 2007 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. "No climate specialist would ever say that 100% of the warming we have seen is down to greenhouse gas emissions."

The recent articles are not the first to misrepresent his research, Latif said. "There are numerous newspapers, radio stations and television channels all trying to get our attention. Some overstate and some want to downplay the problem as a way to get that attention," he said. "We are trying to discuss in the media a highly complex issue. Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all believe that we can assess the global warming problem."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif

But by all means, don't believe him, it's all a hoax.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

* snip *

But by all means, don't believe him, it's all a hoax.

Yes...it's all a hoax. I glad to see that you've finally come to your senses.

Yes, I'll take 'FUD & World Doom' for $1000 Alex.

 

[daishi5]

Only those convinced by their gut that it's a scam in the first place. I hope you guys are correct, since we're not going to get anything done about it.

20 years from now, I hope there isn't mass starvation and endless wars over food and arable land. That's a bleak future to leave to your children.

Here is how I see it:

1. We do something about climate change, whatever we feel we can do, which will lead to increased energy prices. Upside - we could slow the warming caused by fossil fuels. Downside - higher prices.

2. We do nothing. Upside- we postpone any price increases. Downside - possible extinction of the human race.

The possible ramifications of doing nothing far outweigh making it more expensive to sustain our standard of living.

I would say for those of us who don't believe in a magical fairy land once we die the stakes rise considerably.

I don't mean to direct this at you, but you have summed up to be what I consider to be a mix of false dilemma and naturalistic fallacy that I see in this debate. For some reason, I hear two choices, continue to warm - millions die, and stop the warming - things stay the same. Every argument I have heard assumes that if we stop the warming and go back to "normal" that it is a good thing. Why is it we always assume that no human change is a good thing. If you were a nice faithful religious person it makes sense, because your sky fairy made the world for you, so not changing it is a good idea. I don't understand why it seems climate scientists seem to make the assumption that "no change to the climate" is a good thing.

However, all those nice "disaster" shows the discovery channel make a nice little statement, something like "the fossil records tell us one thing over and over, everything goes extinct." The natural world will kill us if we let it continue as normal. So, I see it as something more like this:

Choice A. We continue to warm the planet, it will probably kill millions and make life harder. If things go really bad, it could kill hundreds of millions.

Choice B. We fight the warming and try to make the planet cooler then it is on track to be now. Things have an ok chance of staying relatively normal, but if we go too far, we initiate another "snowball earth" and possibly eradicate the human race.

We have had ice ages in the past, if things were a perfect cycle, I think we would be in one right now. A real ice age, one of the big ones, would bury most of the united states in several hundred feet of ice, destroy most of the worlds best cropland and devastate the world economy.

Has any of the climate debate amongst the real scientists even given serious discussion to whether or not the climate staying the same might be a really bad thing?

 

[Sureshot324]

Ooooo, a thousand year time scale!!

Try HUNDREDS of thousands if you want to put climate into a perspective.

Your thousand year time scale shows what exactly, that we've been warming since the last ice age?

My point was not that temps are higher than ever, but that they are increasing faster than ever. The 1000 year graph is shaped like a hockey stick. Temps shot sharply upwards exactly at the start of the industrial revolution.

People on on this board act like they know for a fact that global warming is BS, but NO ONE KNOWS THIS. Not even experts. Maybe it's real, maybe not, but there is undeniably strong evidence to support it, and the risk is far too great to ignore it.

That being said, I'm not saying I support Al Gore. He is a politician and therefore by definition a lying sack of shit, and is probably abusing global warming for his own benefit.

 

[Robor]

Looks like the OP just got debunked by the primary source: from the Guardian:

A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

He added: "There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."

A report in the Mail on Sunday said that Latif's results "challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy's most deeply cherished beliefs" and "undermine the standard climate computer models". Monday's Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph repeated the claims.

The reports attempted to link the Arctic weather that has enveloped the UK with research published by Latif's team in the journal Nature in 2008. The research said that natural fluctuations in ocean temperature could have a bigger impact on global temperature than expected. In particular, the study concluded that cooling in the oceans could offset global warming, with the average temperature over the decades 2000-2010 and 2005-2015 predicted to be no higher than the average for 1994-2004. Despite clarifications from the scientists at the time, who stressed that the research did not challenge the predicted long-term warming trend, the study was widely misreported as signalling a switch from global warming to global cooling.

The Mail on Sunday article said that Latif's research showed that the current cold weather heralds such "a global trend towards cooler weather".

It said: "The BBC assured viewers that the big chill was was merely short-term 'weather' that had nothing to do with 'climate', which was still warming. The work of Prof Latif and the other scientists refutes that view."

Not according to Latif. "They are not related at all," he said. "What we are experiencing now is a weather phenomenon, while we talked about the mean temperature over the next 10 years. You can't compare the two."

He said the ocean temperature effect was similar to other natural influences on global temperature, such as volcanos, which cool the planet temporarily as ash spewed into the atmosphere reflects sunlight.

"The natural variation occurs side by side with the manmade warming. Sometimes it has a cooling effect and can offset this warming and other times it can accelerate it." Other scientists have questioned the strength of the ocean effect on overall temperature and disagree that global warming will show the predicted pause.

Latif said his research suggested that up to half the warming seen over the 20th century was down to this natural ocean effect, but said that was consistent with the 2007 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. "No climate specialist would ever say that 100% of the warming we have seen is down to greenhouse gas emissions."

The recent articles are not the first to misrepresent his research, Latif said. "There are numerous newspapers, radio stations and television channels all trying to get our attention. Some overstate and some want to downplay the problem as a way to get that attention," he said. "We are trying to discuss in the media a highly complex issue. Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all believe that we can assess the global warming problem."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif

But by all means, don't believe him, it's all a hoax.

:awe: This guy was being used as proof those against AGW are right. Now that he's come out and stated pretty much the exact opposite I wonder how many 'deniers' will dismiss him?

Do you care to update your OP, rudder?

 

[Blackjack200]

Wow. Yet another dishonest article by the corporate media, braying about nonsense and deliberately misrepresenting the positions of scientists. It must be Tuesday.

Can't imagine why some people still think there is any question about global warming.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes...entering a mini Ice Age for 20 to 30 years makes a great case for global warming. Everybody knows this. I can't imagine why some people still think there is any question about global warming.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yes...entering a mini Ice Age for 20 to 30 years makes a great case for global warming. Everybody knows this. I can't imagine why some people still think there is any question about global warming.

I can't imagine why people think we have a budget crisis here when the Fed returned $50 billion to the treasury. :awe:

Dumbass.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Dumbass.

Idiot.

 

[ayabe]

Yes...entering a mini Ice Age for 20 to 30 years makes a great case for global warming. Everybody knows this. I can't imagine why some people still think there is any question about global warming.

Reading is fundamental, you're still running with the OP which was thoroughly debunked by the source.

Anyways, the rest of your gang seems to have fled for the hills, oh well, until tomorrow when more trash gets posted.

 

[werepossum]

what? There are two koreas?

That's where the birth certificates blew up wtc!

lol!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Reading is fundamental, you're still running with the OP which was thoroughly debunked by the source.

Latif is one of the world's top climate modellers and he says we should expect 20 to 30 years of significant cooling...and although he's not an AGW skeptic...he never repudiated his prediction...reading is fundamental. Unfortunately it's not exactly what most alarmists want to hear right now as it doesn't play well with the shrill "The World Is Doomed If We Don't Do Something Now' mantra.

"I am not one of the sceptics," insisted Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, Germany. "However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it." I like this guy.

 

[Blackjack200]

Latif is one of the world's top climate modellers and he says we should expect 20 to 30 years of significant cooling...and although he's not an AGW skeptic...he never repudiated his prediction...reading is fundamental. Unfortunately it's not exactly what most alarmists want to hear right now as it doesn't play well with the shrill "The World Is Doomed If We Don't Do Something Now' mantra.

"I am not one of the sceptics," insisted Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, Germany. "However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it." I like this guy.

Good. That quote was from an NPR interview. Here's what he right before:

Dr. LATIF: Yes. It is misused. I must say this, unfortunately, because these changes we are talking about, these short-term changes, you know, their amplitudes are much smaller than the long-term warming trends. So we are talking about a hold, okay, in the last 10 years. We are not talking about a net cooling to, say, (unintelligible) temperatures, (unintelligible), you know, which we observed 100 years ago or so. Okay, and also what we predicted for the future is basically that this hold may continue for another 10 years or so, okay, but we did not predict a cooling. We basically said that we would stay for some more years on this plateau.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120668812&ft=1&f=1007

 

[Nemesis 1]

I don't know whats going on with weather. But I do know what I see with my own eyes . Sunday morning I was out in shop hooking up my browser to internet.

I looked outside and the sky was full of Chemtrails 3or 4 jets . Well I got excited ran(You should see my run LOL) in house woke up wife . Said look at those . She looked and said so what there jet exhaust I said really lets watch them . After an hour she says this is gooffy Jet exhaust don't do that . It was spreading out. In 2 yours a blue sky was turned gray . Thats what I know to be a fact. I watched it. I seen on Utube . This time I seen in real life,

 

[GoPackGo]

100 years in the eyes of the planet is NOTHING...not when it is Billions of Trillions of years old. These guys are so full of shit. Oh just cuz its going to be COLDER for the next 30 years doesnt mean global warming isn't happening...well when they say year so and so was the hottest ever and then it gets colder a trend that does not make.

The guy got balled out by the UN Global Warming Love Club.