Al Gore: greatest person in history?

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: cubby1223
As long as Al Gore doesn't live the way he preaches, he'll never be considered great in my eyes. How much carbon emissions does his personal house put out? Oh, but that's okay because he donates money to good causes...

Gore?s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology. Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family?s carbon footprint ? a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore?s office explains what Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore?s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

Al Gore actually pays more per month to purchase 100% 'green' electricity - produced by solar, wind and other renewable resources - through TVA's Green Power Switch program. It probably comes as a shock to learn that the former Vice President has a home that is considerably larger than that of most Americans, a mansion even.

And while Al Gore's documentary does indeed ask Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption, it more specifically asks Americans to attempt to reduce their 'carbon footprint' - the amount of green house gases produced as a result of their energy consumption. Perhaps Mr. Johnson's organization would care to compare Al Gore's carbon footprint to that of others with 10,000 square foot homes.

It's all BS. Use less energy, instead of buying your way into a "good conscience".

There's not enough "green power" to power everyone's delights. Al Gore just happens to have enough money to "clear" his conscience, while everyone else is forced to reduce their "carbon emissions" by conserving energy, because common people just don't have the money to make energy problems "magically" go away.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: cubby1223
As long as Al Gore doesn't live the way he preaches, he'll never be considered great in my eyes. How much carbon emissions does his personal house put out? Oh, but that's okay because he donates money to good causes...

Gore?s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology. Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family?s carbon footprint ? a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore?s office explains what Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore?s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

Al Gore actually pays more per month to purchase 100% 'green' electricity - produced by solar, wind and other renewable resources - through TVA's Green Power Switch program. It probably comes as a shock to learn that the former Vice President has a home that is considerably larger than that of most Americans, a mansion even.

And while Al Gore's documentary does indeed ask Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption, it more specifically asks Americans to attempt to reduce their 'carbon footprint' - the amount of green house gases produced as a result of their energy consumption. Perhaps Mr. Johnson's organization would care to compare Al Gore's carbon footprint to that of others with 10,000 square foot homes.

You may want to note that this is AFTER Tennessee Center for Policy Research released research about his usage and Channel 2 news in Nashville called him out on his $1,500 a month electric bill and huge water bill for his home. That was their answer to making him look good AFTER THE FACT.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54450

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org...cle.php?article_id=367

His home uses more energy PER MONTH than an average american uses in an entire year.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

Gore?s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore?s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore?s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Check the cold hard facts from NES and Nashville Gas. Not just his "press release".

He purchases carbon credits so his carbon footprint is 0. I think someone is listening tuning in to too much Faux Noise.

LOL, oh, he purchases carbon credits.... why didn't you just say so!

You just completely validated cubby's point-

As long as Al Gore doesn't live the way he preaches, he'll never be considered great in my eyes. How much carbon emissions does his personal house put out? Oh, but that's okay because he donates money to good causes

 

[LikeLinus]

Gore pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM). Gore's company of choice, GIM was specifically established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating Global Warming. Gore was selected as the US president of GIM and a founding partner.

This is from 2004, BEFORE the movie and push for "Global Warming"

http://www.generationim.com/me...h-release-08-11-04.pdf

http://www.generationim.com/about/team.html

Gore owns part of GIM which provides carbon offsetting. Gore says you can help reduce your energy by offsetting carbon. Carbon Offsetting is also tax exempt...so he saves money while making money on others.

Gore makes movie to promote saving energy and offsetting carbon.

Does anyone see the problem here? Interesting stuff.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: JS80
If I ever won the Nobel prize I would publicly reject it and burn the prize money. I would be ashamed that I won a prize that put me in the same group as Arafat.

Yeah, I bet you would. :roll:

Get back to me after you are awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[jjones]

This is absurd. I can think of about a million people in history that have contributed more to the betterment of mankind, and have had a larger historical impact, than Al Gore. Gore will be forgotten ten minutes after he's dead.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
As long as Al Gore doesn't live the way he preaches, he'll never be considered great in my eyes. How much carbon emissions does his personal house put out? Oh, but that's okay because he donates money to good causes...

I agree. He is just a politician. People who think that he is the greatest man in history are just gullible. He just does what all politicians do...tells people what they want to hear.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: jjones
This is absurd. I can think of about a million people in history that have contributed more to the betterment of mankind, and have had a larger historical impact, than Al Gore. Gore will be forgotten ten minutes after he's dead.

Bush won't. He's firmly cemented his place in history as the worst president we've ever had.

 

[Tylanner]

Maybe if wasn't as unlikable as he most certainly is.

Jealousy is not the reason for widespread Gore bashing.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jjones
This is absurd. I can think of about a million people in history that have contributed more to the betterment of mankind, and have had a larger historical impact, than Al Gore. Gore will be forgotten ten minutes after he's dead.

Bush won't. He's firmly cemented his place in history as the worst president we've ever had.

Why are we talking about Bush.... do you care to add anything relevant to the topic?

 

[misle]

Let's compare Gore to Thomas Edison or Ben Franklin and see how he pales in comparison.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Maybe if wasn't as unlikable as he most certainly is.

Jealousy is not the reason for widespread Gore bashing.

For me jealousy is the reason I dislike Gore. I really wish I were rich like him and able to buy my carbon neutralness, instead of feeling guilty all the time because I'm poor.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jjones
This is absurd. I can think of about a million people in history that have contributed more to the betterment of mankind, and have had a larger historical impact, than Al Gore. Gore will be forgotten ten minutes after he's dead.

Bush won't. He's firmly cemented his place in history as the worst president we've ever had.

Dude, you're a fvcking idiot. Bush has nothing to do with this. Quit trolling jackass.

 

[ElFenix]

excelsior!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Hacp
He purchases carbon credits so his carbon footprint is 0. I think someone is listening tuning in to too much Faux Noise.

Which are a total joke. He purchases them from a utility he is invested in BTW so he can write it all off.

Gore is a hypocrite with a capital H and the only thing amazing is how many kool-aid sippers continue to drink.

 

[IgorFL]

I find it difficult to proclaim a person who received F's in 5 of the 8 classes he took in Vanderbilt's Divinity School and was unable to finish Vanderbilt Law School a "great person."

His "documentary" is so riddled with errors, it would never stand up to academic scrutiny. But then again, that's why he cavorts around Hollywood and dubious honors such as the Nobel Prize.

P.S. If you want to have a serious vote concerning the "most well-rounded person" in history, Thomas Jefferson and Jean-Jacques Rousseau need to be two of the choices.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JS80
If I ever won the Nobel prize I would publicly reject it and burn the prize money. I would be ashamed that I won a prize that put me in the same group as Arafat.

I guess you can forget about Time's Man of the Year too

 

[novasatori]

what about Arnold then

move star, famous weight lifter, and now a governator

Arnold > Gore.

 

[Ozoned]

Al Gore: greatest person in history



I nearly shit myself laughing so hard when I read that....

 

[gururu2]

i can think of no other person with a greater message. you can cry about the price of twinkies. gas. rent. taxes. medicine. war. but its all quite insignificant compared to the changes our planet is undergoing. as a scientist, I see only evidence for global warming and only arguments against it. he's got the greatest message, he has been awarded justly.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Al Gore is the most accomplished and highly decorated nerd in history.

If I ever ran into him in a Minnesota airport, it'd be my honor to give him a swirly.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: gururu2
i can think of no other person with a greater message. you can cry about the price of twinkies. gas. rent. taxes. medicine. war. but its all quite insignificant compared to the changes our planet is undergoing. as a scientist, I see only evidence for global warming and only arguments against it. he's got the greatest message, he has been awarded justly.

As far as the swirly goes... you're next.

 

[zach0624]

You guys I'm thuper cereal hear, we need to listen to Al Gore and stop worring about global warming and worrying about manbearpig.

Seriously though Al Gore is a douche. I do believe there is global warming just not as bad as he says it is. I'm sorry but OP is an idiot. Do you honestly think Al Gore > Einstein, MLK, Ben Franklin, or even the JFK. How about Ceasar(you know brought most of the Mediterranean influencing the develop ment of western culture)?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If I could stick solar panels on my roof and make my 2200 sq ft home with central air, home theater and all other amenities the equivalent of a 900 sq ft apartment without A/C then why should I move into a 900 sq ft apartment and be miserable just to satisfy those who disagree with my point of view?

Your arguments are ridiculous...as is this thread.

We are speaking about Al Gore here and his statements vs. his real life actions. If his house was as energy efficient as you suggest then you'd have a point. But it isn't, and you don't. He uses 18,400 kWh of electricity per month and pays over $1500 a month for electricity alone. He's worried about the ecological footprint of each person, yet his footprint is larger than nearly all the people he is preaching to.

Your argument is absurd since it had no point and you seem to have failed to grasp the topic at hand. Yet you still want to be vocal. That's a dangerous combination because you end up speaking and sounding like a total fool.

I am not beyond being convinced, so if you think that you can formulate a response that would convince me that Al Gore is being more environmentally conscious than I am (with my $50 electricity bill), then I'm willing to hear it. But until that time I'd like to request that you abstain from the sharp personal responses.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If I could stick solar panels on my roof and make my 2200 sq ft home with central air, home theater and all other amenities the equivalent of a 900 sq ft apartment without A/C then why should I move into a 900 sq ft apartment and be miserable just to satisfy those who disagree with my point of view?

Your arguments are ridiculous...as is this thread.

We are speaking about Al Gore here and his statements vs. his real life actions. If his house was as energy efficient as you suggest then you'd have a point. But it isn't, and you don't. He uses 18,400 kWh of electricity per month and pays over $1500 a month for electricity alone. He's worried about the ecological footprint of each person, yet his footprint is larger than nearly all the people he is preaching to.

Your argument is absurd since it had no point and you seem to have failed to grasp the topic at hand. Yet you still want to be vocal. That's a dangerous combination because you end up speaking and sounding like a total fool.

I am not beyond being convinced, so if you think that you can formulate a response that would convince me that Al Gore is being more environmentally conscious than I am (with my $50 electricity bill), then I'm willing to hear it. But until that time I'd like to request that you abstain from the sharp personal responses.

So, you completely disregard everything he has to say on the subject because he is rich and lives in a mansion?

Are you environmentally conscious? Do you recycle? Drive a fuel efficient car? Shop locally grown produce and meats?

See, I don't see that how Mr. Gore lives his life has anything at all to do with the message itself. Should he make some changes in his life to reduce his carbon footprint? Yeah, he probably should. There are plenty of rich people who probably should though...I'm sure some of them are liberals too.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

So, you completely disregard everything he has to say on the subject because he is rich and lives in a mansion?

Are you environmentally conscious? Do you recycle? Drive a fuel efficient car? Shop locally grown produce and meats?

No, I don't disregard everything he has to say on the subject.

Am I environmentally conscious? I guess my actions could be considered socially conscious, but I don't try to advertise it as some sort of lame fashion statement . Yes, I recycle. My daily driver averages 30 mpg, it's a Mazda Protege. I currently live in an area where there is plenty of locally grown produce and meats, so most stores carry the local stuff. I don't need to go out of my way to buy it, it's just all over the place.

With all that said, I'm not a hippy or a liberal. The one thing I notice about the liberal social scene is that they tend to follow the "fashion" of being environmentally conscious without actually doing anything about it. They like to talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. It's a poser scene.

It reminds me of the pathetic discussions I've had with some extremely politically motivated college students. They were heavy into politics, but when I asked them who they voted for, they told me they didn't vote.