Al Franken accused of kissing and groping radio host. Will resign.

[woolfe9998]

Wrong we need to stand up to being falsely accused. I for one believe the tongue intent is bullshit and the picture is harmless. If we don't stand up they will continue to do this. It's nothing more than a fake hit job.

I've already offered my assessment of the Tweeden incident. His conduct was inappropriate but doesn't rise to anywhere near the level of the accusations against Moore, or many of the other public figures recently accused. This latest allegation makes it look like more of a pattern, however. I think if nothing else Franken should resign for the good of the party.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Oh my she's a busy little girl. So sweet, so pure, so slutty.

No man, just no. Who she kisses as her choice is her fucking business, and has zero to do with what Franken is alleged to have done. She clearly chose to kiss this guy, she did not, per her story choose to have Franken's tongue in her mouth.

 

[fskimospy]

No man, just no. Who she kisses as her choice is her fucking business, and has zero to do with what Franken is alleged to have done. She clearly chose to kiss this guy, she did not, per her story choose to have Franken's tongue in her mouth.

Yes, exactly. This is akin to saying someone can't be raped because they are promiscuous. If she chose to go through and made out with every person in the Army that in no way affects if she was kissed without her consent by someone else.

 

[BigDH01]

Yes, exactly. This is akin to saying someone can't be raped because they are promiscuous. If she chose to go through and made out with every person in the Army that in no way affects if she was kissed without her consent by someone else.

Does that go both ways? If someone is accused of sexual misconduct and they have a history of lewd comments or public (but consensual) sexual behavior, does that factor into a determination of guilt?

 

[pmv]

Someone on Twitter pointed out that digging up and publishing pictures to embarrass the victim is something that Breitbart would do. Nice job liberals.

Have to agree with this. Especially pictures that don't seem to show anything more than consensual snogging. If there's a picture of her clubbing a kitten to death, that might be of note, just on it's own merits. But pictures that just show her being having some sort of sexual life are of no relevance or interest, and its a bit disappointing to see people posting that stuff.

 

[fskimospy]

Does that go both ways? If someone is accused of sexual misconduct and they have a history of lewd comments or public (but consensual) sexual behavior, does that factor into a determination of guilt?

It does! Having consensual sex with a lot of people in no way indicates you would have non-consensual sex with people.

 

[HomerJS]

No man, just no. Who she kisses as her choice is her fucking business, and has zero to do with what Franken is alleged to have done. She clearly chose to kiss this guy, she did not, per her story choose to have Franken's tongue in her mouth.

By his reaction not sure the guy consented. Isn't that her accusation of Frankin??

 

[Fanatical Meat]

By his reaction not sure the guy consented. Isn't that her accusation of Frankin??

Don't become a gamergate guy. There are expectations put on Men & Women regarding harassment. The two sexes will never be treated equally in this regard. The norm is Women can kiss random men without it being weird, Men cannot kiss random Women and not have it be creepy.

 

[BigDH01]

Don't become a gamergate guy. There are expectations put on Men & Women regarding harassment. The two sexes will never be treated equally in this regard. The norm is Women can kiss random men without it being weird, Men cannot kiss random Women and not have it be creepy.

Isn't one of the whole premises behind the current movement that the past expectations and perceptions are unfair and inappropriate? I would consider it weird and inappropriate if a random woman grabbed me and kissed me. Imagine that soldier had a wife and family back home and they saw this kiss without context.

 

[HomerJS]

Don't become a gamergate guy. There are expectations put on Men & Women regarding harassment. The two sexes will never be treated equally in this regard. The norm is Women can kiss random men without it being weird, Men cannot kiss random Women and not have it be creepy.

True but if you are going to make a public spectacle may want to have the moral high ground.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Isn't one of the whole premises behind the current movement that the past expectations and perceptions are unfair and inappropriate? I would consider it weird and inappropriate if a random woman grabbed me and kissed me.

You wouldn't if she was hot. Weird yes, inappropriate no.

 

[fskimospy]

By his reaction not sure the guy consented. Isn't that her accusation of Frankin??

What’s your basis for his lack of consent other than your parsing of a photo? Has he come out and said it was without consent?

 

[BigDH01]

You wouldn't if she was hot. Weird yes, inappropriate no.

I'm a married man, thanks.

I'd also prefer to live in a world without double standards. If females can determine what's inappropriate I don't see why males can't do the same.

 

[shortylickens]

True but if you are going to make a public spectacle may want to have the moral high ground.

Well Leanne doesnt have the moral high ground but she's got the liberal-progressive high ground just by being female, so she'll probably be OK in the public image.

 

[KMFJD]

A traumatized Tweeden avoiding Franken in 2009

 

[HomerJS]

What’s your basis for his lack of consent other than your parsing of a photo? Has he come out and said it was without consent?

He looks shocked/surprised. Wouldn't have that look if he knew it was coming.

 

[Thebobo]

Surprised the people defending this woman here. You really think she was grouped?There is no proof other than her word and her history shows she is loose and this attack is politically driven. That's all I need to know.

 

[brycejones]

I'm a married man, thanks.

That's when you tell your pissed off wife the only way to settle it is for her and the offending woman to wrestle in oil.

 

[brycejones]

Surprised the people defending this woman here. You really think she was grouped?There is no proof other than her word and her history shows she is loose and this attack is politically driven. That's all I need to know.

I have a problem with the phrase in bold. It doesn't matter. Its this kind of shit that keeps women from coming forward in the first place. We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Evaluate if you believe her only on the specifics related to the incident.

 

[fskimospy]

He looks shocked/surprised. Wouldn't have that look if he knew it was coming.

There have been a number of kisses in my life that were welcome surprises to me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm a married man, thanks.

I'd also prefer to live in a world without double standards. If females can determine what's inappropriate I don't see why males can't do the same.

You don't have a hall pass girl?

 

[DrunkenSano]

Uh oh...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42056869

A second woman has accused Democratic Senator Al Franken of inappropriately touching her, alleging it happened during his time in office.

Lindsay Menz, 33, told CNN that Mr Franken "grabbed my butt" as they posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010.

In a statement, the ex-comedian said he did not remember the encounter, and he feels "badly" she felt disrespected.

He is already facing a possible Senate ethics inquiry over another allegation.

Last week, the former Saturday Night Live writer apologised after a woman accused him of sexual misconduct during a 2006 tour to entertain US troops overseas.

Leeann Tweeden claimed Mr Franken - who had not yet been elected to the US Senate - "forcibly" kissed her and took photographs of himself appearing to grope her breasts as she slept.

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In August 2010, @alfranken grabbed me while taking a photo together at the Minnesota State Fair. I felt violated & embarassed. I 100% believe your account of him & his actions, @LeeannTweeden. Thank you for sharing your story. #metoo

— Lindsay Menz (@LindsayMenz) November 16, 2017
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The incident was alleged to have happened almost two years after Mr Franken was elected to political office.

Mrs Menz met several politicians that day, she recalled, but as her husband prepared to take a photograph of her and Mr Franken, he "pulled me in really close, like awkward close, and as my husband took the picture, he put his hand full-fledged on my rear".

"It wasn't around my waist. It wasn't around my hip or side. It was definitely on my butt," she said, adding that his hand lingered for several seconds.

"I was like, 'oh my God, what's happening.'"

Her husband Jeremy said he did not see what Mr Franken did with his hands.

On Saturday a spokesperson for Mr Franken said the senator would not resign.

"He is spending time with his family in Washington, DC, and will be through the Thanksgiving holiday," the spokesperson told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

She added the senator was "doing a lot of reflecting".

Also over the weekend, Mr Franken was ridiculed by his former employer, Saturday Night Live.

"Sure, this was taken before Franken ran for public office, but it was also taken after he was a sophomore in high school," joked co-host Colin Jost, describing the photo of Mr Franken seeming to grope a sleeping Ms Tweeden.

"It's pretty hard to be like, 'Oh, come on, he didn't know any better. He was only 55.'"

 

[Genx87]

Surprised the people defending this woman here. You really think she was grouped?There is no proof other than her word and her history shows she is loose and this attack is politically driven. That's all I need to know.

What is wrong with some of you people?

 

[FIVR]

This is the problem with conflating child molesters and rapists like Roy Moore and Harvey Weinstein with people who use tongue in rehearsal kisses and people who grab butts like Franken and GHW Bush. There is a huge difference between raping a woman or molesting a teenage girl and somebody grabbing a clothed butt or kissing somebody without consent.

I've personally had by butt slapped and grabbed by multiple women (some quite a bit older than me) and I never thought much of it. Sometimes it was at parties, one time in Las Vegas while I was standing in a lobby. I do have a nice butt though so I understand why women like to grab it, but judging by these stories from Tweeden and others I guess all those women were rapists and I need to start tweeting my story.

 

[zinfamous]

Surprised the people defending this woman here. You really think she was grouped?There is no proof other than her word and her history shows she is loose and this attack is politically driven. That's all I need to know.

irrelevant.