Al Franken accused of kissing and groping radio host. Will resign.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I probably shouldn't be surprised that some here are defending Fraken's actions. Claiming that he wasn't groping here, that his hand wasn't on her chest, when it clearly was. The flak doesnt matter, if that's the case then a shirt prevents sexual contact too.

Not to mention that she claims he stuck his tongue in her mouth. Yet the same people who are dismissing that, are wanting Moore to resign over allegation with zero proof. There is at least some proof of these allegation. Claiming that Fraken is innocent but Moore is guilty it just silly. Just another hypocritical stance from the liberal left.

and comparing pedophilia to sexual assault is so far past hypocritical it's sickening.
1 woman, who Franken has already apologized to and she's accepted it vs 6 accusing moore
and the evidence against moore is mounting daily. and one is about a girl who's 14.
jesus some people are beyond dense.
and in NO way am I condoning what Fraken did or am I doubting the victim. He owned up to the one instance that's come up.

 

[HomerJS]

The reason this is a big nothing it was an environment where playful groping was going on. She took part in it. Also look at the circle of performers...


Al Frankin groping Joy Behar's breast.
Joy Behar groping Robin Williams nuts
Leann Tweeden ass slapping Robin Williams
Leann Tweeden wrapping legs around Robin William's crotch.

Conservatives have the same problem with this as they do with race. Its not always black and white, its about context.

The worst thing that probably happened here is Leann didn't want to make out with Al and Al took advantage. Wrong, yes but hardly actionable.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ackmed is a pedo

 

[theeedude]

Roger Stone, Nixon's dirty tricks guy, also involved in the wikileaks email hacks, posted about Al Franken dirt before the story broke. Something worth digging into.

 

[zinfamous]

That slut. Just look at that outfit. I bet she was just asking for it. Franken is the real victim here. No means yes.

I don't believe Franken needs to face any punishment over this. He apologized. We move on. But slut shaming the victim is kind of hypocritical.

Unless of course that is now cool again. I apologize for the confusion. I just got done working out with three televisions in front of me, each tuned to Fox, CNN and MSNBC. After watching all the Sunday talk shows in parallel, the political narratives have all turned into one big bowl of spagetti.

I don't see this as slut shaming. I see it as adding context to what was going on during this tour. Seems to be a long-running gag and everyone was in on it.

Context matters.

 

[zinfamous]

I probably shouldn't be surprised that some here are defending Fraken's actions. Claiming that he wasn't groping here, that his hand wasn't on her chest, when it clearly was. The flak doesnt matter, if that's the case then a shirt prevents sexual contact too.

Not to mention that she claims he stuck his tongue in her mouth. Yet the same people who are dismissing that, are wanting Moore to resign over allegation with zero proof. There is at least some proof of these allegation. Claiming that Fraken is innocent but Moore is guilty it just silly. Just another hypocritical stance from the liberal left.

claiming there is zero proof of Moore diddling with underage girls is probably the apex of denial that any human has ever reached.

fucking wow, man. what the hell is your deal?

 

[blankslate]

Well there are two probable reasons in my mind

1. One she is a sweetheart of a gal and has been abused by an evil comedian. And she went on just about every TV show possible to be interviewed about it after she accepted his apology.
   
   
2. Or she's a lying harlot.
   
   I'm going for #2

Or maybe she just wanted an apology over a misunderstanding.

I'm inclined to believe that this is was just a mistake that occurred during a USO tour unless more women come forward and accuse Sen. Franklin of harrassment.

After almost a week it's looking like it was an isolated incident as I believe more women would've spoken out by now if Al Franken was someone like Trump or Weinstein.


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[pmv]

Wait, what? Are you under the impression that the 2018 elections have been called out and that Trump is dictator for life and if he's not ousted now then whatever the dems don't will never matter?


This isn't whataboutism, this is about holding the fucking line and present a party that gives a fuck for the 2018 elections.

Al Franken should resign and a zero tolerance should be instituted, there is no better way to do this.

And are you under the impression that Trump's attitudes to women, which were known before the last election, are going to make any difference to how his supporters will vote in the 2018 elections? I just don't see any evidence for that belief.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't see this as slut shaming. I see it as adding context to what was going on during this tour. Seems to be a long-running gag and everyone was in on it.

Context matters.

Of course context matters. I've said as much in other threads. I was also told in those other threads that context doesn't matter...that if the victim classifies the action as sexual assault, then context is irrelevant.

So boys club gags and humor at the expense of women are acceptable again?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course context matters. I've said as much in other threads. I was also told in those other threads that context doesn't matter...that if the victim classifies the action as sexual assault, then context is irrelevant.

So boys club gags and humor at the expense of women are acceptable again?

Depends on context....lol...like you just said. Sounds like she was in on the shenanigans.

Since the Con's wanna compare it to Moore, were the teens in on it? Would it even matter since they were underage?

The comparison between these specific situations seems whimsical at best.

 

[SNC]

Statement he released:

"The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing--and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine--is: I'm sorry.

"I respect women. I don't respect men who don't. And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.

"But I want to say something else, too. Over the last few months, all of us--including and especially men who respect women--have been forced to take a good, hard look at our own actions and think (perhaps, shamefully, for the first time) about how those actions have affected women.

"For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it--women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/pol...tements-Kiss-Grope-Allegations-458024053.html

I never liked Franken, I didn't think he was funny as a comedian, I didn't like his political show, but this I can get behind and respect. Should he step down, no, but fuck I wish he would. That would help get people demanding the likes of Moore and Trump to go back under the rock they came from. With his admission of theses events, the public apology and not stepping down he is saying that there are some things that even he feels are OK to do to a woman so long as they are in the past and you say sorry.

 

[HomerJS]

Of course context matters. I've said as much in other threads. I was also told in those other threads that context doesn't matter...that if the victim classifies the action as sexual assault, then context is irrelevant.

So boys club gags and humor at the expense of women are acceptable again?

If you are a women and freely participate it changes the context.

 

[zinfamous]

Of course context matters. I've said as much in other threads. I was also told in those other threads that context doesn't matter...that if the victim classifies the action as sexual assault, then context is irrelevant.

So boys club gags and humor at the expense of women are acceptable again?

No? but again: was she part of the club at the time? context!

 

[Thebobo]

Oh my she's a busy little girl. So sweet, so pure, so slutty.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sorry to interrupt the usual left Democrat suspects from blaming the victim, but another victim of Senator Franken's wandering hands comes forward, as usual in cases like this.
https://www.ksat.com/news/politics/woman-says-franken-inappropriately-touched-her-in-2010

"- A woman says Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010, telling CNN that he grabbed her buttocks while taking a photo at the Minnesota State Fair."

 

[Genx87]

Oh my she's a busy little girl. So sweet, so pure, so slutty.

You blaming the victim?

Anyways a second accuser came out and said Franken grabbed her ass at a photo shoot in 2010 at the MN state fair.

 

[Blackjack200]

Someone on Twitter pointed out that digging up and publishing pictures to embarrass the victim is something that Breitbart would do. Nice job liberals.

 

[brycejones]

I probably shouldn't be surprised that some here are defending Fraken's actions. Claiming that he wasn't groping here, that his hand wasn't on her chest, when it clearly was. The flak doesnt matter, if that's the case then a shirt prevents sexual contact too.

Not to mention that she claims he stuck his tongue in her mouth. Yet the same people who are dismissing that, are wanting Moore to resign over allegation with zero proof. There is at least some proof of these allegation. Claiming that Fraken is innocent but Moore is guilty it just silly. Just another hypocritical stance from the liberal left.

Franken has already owned his actions, apologized, and is supporting an ethics inquiry into his behavior which is much further than Moore has done. As for the comment in bold how can you be taken seriously? First, Moore has no position to "resign" from he is being asked to drop out of the race. Second, we're up to what 6 women at least that have come forward with independent stories, from different political persuasions, who relayed what happened to them to people known to them at the time the events occurred. To say there is zero proof is just beyond stupid and can only be the result of you shoving your head up Hannity's ass and gratefully accepting whatever he shits down your throat. You're like the conservative version of the human centipede.

Moore likes em' young. There isn't really any logical way to deny that. Or you just assume a conspiracy dating back over the 30 years was put in place to just prevent him from serving in the US Senate.

 

[brycejones]

Oh my she's a busy little girl. So sweet, so pure, so slutty.

Doesn't matter. Seriously I don't care if she spent the whole trip swinging from a stripper pole doesn't give anyone the right to grope another person without their consent. We have to be consistent on this point.

 

[woolfe9998]

I probably shouldn't be surprised that some here are defending Fraken's actions. Claiming that he wasn't groping here, that his hand wasn't on her chest, when it clearly was. The flak doesnt matter, if that's the case then a shirt prevents sexual contact too.

Not to mention that she claims he stuck his tongue in her mouth. Yet the same people who are dismissing that, are wanting Moore to resign over allegation with zero proof. There is at least some proof of these allegation. Claiming that Fraken is innocent but Moore is guilty it just silly. Just another hypocritical stance from the liberal left.

Zero proof? Eight women have come forward and told their stories, Dozens of people have corroborated various aspects of those stories, including having seen Moore hitting on them and the fact that the girls told them about it at the time. If that is "zero proof" then can you kindly explain to us what constitutes actual proof to you? What do you want, a video tape of each incident? My guess is you'll not be returning to this thread to offer an explanation.

You really need to lay off the crystal meth. And while you're at it, stop pretending to have even a scintilla of objectivity.

 

[Thebobo]

Doesn't matter. Seriously I don't care if she spent the whole trip swinging from a stripper pole doesn't give anyone the right to grope another person without their consent. We have to be consistent on this point.

Allegedly

 

[fskimospy]

Zero proof? Eight women have come forward and told their stories, Dozens of people have corroborated various aspects of those stories, including having seen Moore hitting on them and the fact that the girls told them about it at the time. If that is "zero proof" then can you kindly explain to us what constitutes actual proof to you? What do you want, a video tape of each incident? My guess is you'll not be returning to this thread to offer an explanation.

You really need to lay off the crystal meth. And while you're at it, stop pretending to have even a scintilla of objectivity.

If I remember right Ackmed has some sort of law enforcement background and as well all know, when the cops are told by thirty people that someone committed a crime they respond with 'I'd love to help, but we can't go arrest someone based on zero proof'.

Also these continuing attempts to equate Franken and Moore are disgusting. Roy Moore likely molested a 14 year old and tried to sexually assault a number of other teenagers. While what Franken did is bad it's nowhere close to molesting a 14 year old. The fact that this sort of equivalency is coming from the 'moral values' brigade is all you need to know about what their real moral values are.

 

[theeedude]

At least younger voters are seeing evangelical Christianity for the right wing fraud it is.

 

[woolfe9998]

If I remember right Ackmed has some sort of law enforcement background and as well all know, when the cops are told by thirty people that someone committed a crime they respond with 'I'd love to help, but we can't go arrest someone based on zero proof'.

Also these continuing attempts to equate Franken and Moore are disgusting. Roy Moore likely molested a 14 year old and tried to sexually assault a number of other teenagers. While what Franken did is bad it's nowhere close to molesting a 14 year old. The fact that this sort of equivalency is coming from the 'moral values' brigade is all you need to know about what their real moral values are.

Agreed. Even with this second accusation, any comparison is ludicrous. However, I am now inclined to think that Franken should resign. If the dems want the moral high ground on this, Franken should go.

 

[Thebobo]

Agreed. Even with this second accusation, any comparison is ludicrous. However, I am now inclined to think that Franken should resign. If the dems want the moral high ground on this, Franken should go.

Wrong we need to stand up to being falsely accused. I for one believe the tongue intent is bullshit and the picture is harmless. If we don't stand up they will continue to do this. It's nothing more than a fake hit job.