Airbus or Boeing?

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the french can go to hell

Example 1
Example 2
of why the French rock at aviation.

Oh, and don't forget it was the French who were the first to fly.

I suppose the French invented the internet as well?

Edit-I don't consider a hot air balloon ride as flying. Flying, to me, is having some control over where you are going.

 

[StageLeft]

Boeing, because airbus doesn't HAVE A FREAKING LASER ON ONE OF THEIR PLANES.

BTW anybody could have built the concorde with enough money, but the french happened to, for once, not give up and build it even after its profitability had long been proven unattainable. It was a project that should have been scrapped but wasn't. In fact this is an example used in various psychological textbooks in regards to giving up when you know you've lost. Silly french

Edit-I don't consider a hot air balloon ride as flying. Flying, to me, is having some control over where you are going.

There is a joke about the French having a lot of hot air in them somewhere here

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the french can go to hell

Example 1
Example 2
of why the French rock at aviation.

Oh, and don't forget it was the French who were the first to fly.

I suppose the French invented the internet as well?

Edit-I don't consider a hot air balloon ride as flying. Flying, to me, is having some control over where you are going.

yeah that should be le internet, pal

Controlled or not, you've still left planet earth and the Frenchies were the first!
They also invented the gyroscope and the parachute...

Most importantly however, was that they invented the Bikini

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Boeing, because airbus doesn't HAVE A FREAKING LASER ON ONE OF THEIR PLANES.

BTW anybody could have built the concorde with enough money, but the french happened to, for once, not give up and build it even after its profitability had long been proven unattainable. It was a project that should have been scrapped but wasn't. In fact this is an example used in various psychological textbooks in regards to giving up when you know you've lost. Silly french

Edit-I don't consider a hot air balloon ride as flying. Flying, to me, is having some control over where you are going.

There is a joke about the French having a lot of hot air in them somewhere here

Boeing was smart enough to scrap their SST plane in the 60's.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: earthman
Cessna.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Boeing, because airbus doesn't HAVE A FREAKING LASER ON ONE OF THEIR PLANES.

BTW anybody could have built the concorde with enough money, but the french happened to, for once, not give up and build it even after its profitability had long been proven unattainable. It was a project that should have been scrapped but wasn't. In fact this is an example used in various psychological textbooks in regards to giving up when you know you've lost. Silly french

Edit-I don't consider a hot air balloon ride as flying. Flying, to me, is having some control over where you are going.

There is a joke about the French having a lot of hot air in them somewhere here

Boeing was smart enough to scrap their SST plane in the 60's.

It's easy to claim that it was 'silliness' that made France & England continue to pour funds into the concorde project long after the project was found to be costing too much if you simply look at the concorde as a regular jet liner to move passengers from A -> B. It was so much more than that, however. It was a symbol of the technological age that we had arrived in. A demonstration to the world that European countries can club together and produce something spectacular.

Lets not forget that the concorde was the pride of England and France for a long time. It may have been crazy to do it but when it comes down to the crunch they did pull it off albeit over budget and late. Once created it provided many years of service apart from that one crash due to a blown tyre. Many airports in some nameless countires refused to allow the concorde to land simply because it hurt their national pride.

It's an example of creating something because it can be done instead of worrying so much about the costs per passenger and trying to squeeze as many people into an area to increase profit margins etc etc. the concorde was a fantastic achievement for so many reasons. Not only could it maintain supersonic flight for extended durations, but when it landed it could be prepped and be up in again in no time. Other supersonic aircraft are out of action for days if not weeks after a flight. The part that amazes me the most, however, is the fact that the concorde was designed by men with rulers and pencils, not computers.

Chances are there won't be another supersonic passenger plane for a long, long time simply because of the above cost reasons. With the impact of sept 11th on the air industry, costs are going to be all the more important to airline companies.

I miss concorde; hearing the sonic boom every day as she opened up those monster engines...

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: pyonir
Which ever one gets me to my destination safely. I couldn't care less.

Fly air china........... pilots are ex-military mig pilots :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

I would have absolutely no reason to fly Air China.

Ok........ how about Aeroflot

Cheers,
Aquaman

ive flown Aeroflot once. the worst plane ride of my life!! no joke! but the food was better than average. and liquor was cheap

oh...and Boeing

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: pyonir
Which ever one gets me to my destination safely. I couldn't care less.

Fly air china........... pilots are ex-military mig pilots :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

I would have absolutely no reason to fly Air China.

Ok........ how about Aeroflot

Cheers,
Aquaman

ive flown Aeroflot once. the worst plane ride of my life!! no joke! but the food was better than average. and liquor was cheap

oh...and Boeing

let us not forget Garuda Airways. Cheap, and fantastic if you like curries.

 

[jpeyton]

Airbus Industrie

Boeing's airline sales are betting on their 7E7 and an updated 450-seat 747. Airbus's 350 and 550-seat 380 will be much better sellers. Money is the bottom line.

 

[LordMorpheus]

http://www.micom.net/oops/Airbus320_trees.mp4

You want to fly on that?

then again, you do have to worry about this . . http://www.micom.net/oops/747_decompress.jpg

 

[jpeyton]

The 747 is a dinosaur compared to the 380. UPS just placed an order for 10 of them this month.

 

[Pantoot]

Boeing, but I don't understand why they cannot come up with an air nozzle thing that doesn't hiss like crazy.

Somehow Airbus did.

 

[Rainsford]

Boeing, mostly because their stuff has a proven track record, and Airbus planes mainly do not. Since I fly out of Des Moines a lot, and Des Moines is a pathetically small "International" airport, I get a lot of shorter connection flights to Denver and Chicago, mainly flying Boeing 737s and Airbus A320s. The Airbuses are generally a lot newer, and somewhat nicer IMHO, but the 737s are probably the most proven airliner out there, and I want the plane most likely to get me there in one piece.

Plus new Boeings are very nice. My favorite plane by far is the 777.

Edit: A pretty mild preference though, none of them have crashed on me yet, and that's good enough for me

 

[Rainsford]

As a side note, I find it interesting that MS Flight Sim 2004 has 3 different Boeings, and not a single Airbus. I wonder if that's preference, or Boeing is just more well known.

 

[thraxes]

I vote Airbus since an uncle is on the Airbus Wing Assembly line in Wales.
My dad though used to do maintenance on Boeings - retired now.

But: My favorite airliner until now (appearance and best experiences) is neither Airbus or Boeing: McDonnel Douglas MD-11
The plane I love to hate is a Boeing: I just can't stand the 757... don't know why but I just don't like it.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: thraxes
I vote Airbus since an uncle is on the Airbus Wing Assembly line in Wales.
My dad though used to do maintenance on Boeings - retired now.

But: My favorite airliner until now (appearance and best experiences) is neither Airbus or Boeing: McDonnel Douglas MD-11
The plane I love to hate is a Boeing: I just can't stand the 757... don't know why but I just don't like it.

I love the 757 because of the power. Many companies that fly 757s and 767s end up using the same engines, since they are both so similar. That means lots and lots of power for a much smaller plane

 

[Fenixgoon]

go non-federally subsidized companies that can make it on their own!
by that, i mean boeing

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Airbus Industrie

Boeing's airline sales are betting on their 7E7 and an updated 450-seat 747. Airbus's 350 and 550-seat 380 will be much better sellers. Money is the bottom line.

anything to back that up with? the A350 is still in its infant stages, not to mention it was in reaction to the 7E7's sales performance in the past year.

It will be difficult for airbus to make the a350 competitive with the 7E7, considering that one will be just an update of the A330 while the other will be a brand new design with composite and bleedless technologies.

the A380 needs about 250 orders to break even. i believe that their current tally is around 150. the market for such a huge plan is not very big, while the market for a midsized plane such as the 7e7 is much larger. you will not see many american carriers ordering the a380 becuase it is such a huge plane. on the other hand, there are many 757/767s that will require replacement, as they grow older.

 

[imthebadguy]

i like the airbuses, fully computerized planes, when i flew to london a few yrs ago the plane(airbus) was fully decked out in coach, on demand entertainment systen in every seat...i havent been on any ohter plane doing that in coach....i hear jetblue does it in boeings ttho

 

[ManSnake]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
go non-federally subsidized companies that can make it on their own!
by that, i mean boeing

Are you sure it is better that way?

 

[knoxweather]

boeing

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: GOSHARKS

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Airbus Industrie

Boeing's airline sales are betting on their 7E7 and an updated 450-seat 747. Airbus's 350 and 550-seat 380 will be much better sellers. Money is the bottom line.

anything to back that up with? the A350 is still in its infant stages, not to mention it was in reaction to the 7E7's sales performance in the past year.

It will be difficult for airbus to make the a350 competitive with the 7E7, considering that one will be just an update of the A330 while the other will be a brand new design with composite and bleedless technologies.

the A380 needs about 250 orders to break even. i believe that their current tally is around 150. the market for such a huge plan is not very big, while the market for a midsized plane such as the 7e7 is much larger. you will not see many american carriers ordering the a380 becuase it is such a huge plane. on the other hand, there are many 757/767s that will require replacement, as they grow older.

That's a pretty closed-minded way to think. I think demand for their 555-seat plane will be quite large, considering that most economists expect the largest commercial growth in the next few decades to be in populous China and India. Expect their airlines to surge in growth as well.

Another area where you'll see a lot of orders is in another area of high growth; the package delivery industry, worldwide. UPS already ordered 10, and I'm sure FedEx will follow suit, to shuttle large quantities of packages between major worldwide hubs.

Yes, the demand for smaller planes will be there, but at least Airbus has desirable solutions on both big and small planes. Boeing is still gambling with the construction of their all composite plane, and have yet to hammer out details like cost or production time.

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

That's a pretty closed-minded way to think. I think demand for their 555-seat plane will be quite large, considering that most economists expect the largest commercial growth in the next few decades to be in populous China and India. Expect their airlines to surge in growth as well.

Another area where you'll see a lot of orders is in another area of high growth; the package delivery industry, worldwide. UPS already ordered 10, and I'm sure FedEx will follow suit, to shuttle large quantities of packages between major worldwide hubs.

Yes, the demand for smaller planes will be there, but at least Airbus has desirable solutions on both big and small planes. Boeing is still gambling with the construction of their all composite plane, and have yet to hammer out details like cost or production time.

the problem with such a huge plane, is that you need a lot of people to fill them. exactly when will china and india require such a large plane? you said a few decades, the a380 will be obesolete by the time the demand for the plane will theorectically go up.

the a380 is really only usefull for routes that fly in and out of airports that are slot restricted. without those restrictions, multiple flights with smaller planes will be far better for the passenger than one flight a day on the a380 that leaves a long connection time on either side of the flight.

fedex ordered their A380Fs long ago; they are the launch customer for that model. they have 10 orders right now, plus options.

airbus has not even launched a350 project yet (neither has boeing launched the 747 advanced). boeing's future lies in the 7e7, 777, and a future 737 derivative that is based on 7e7 technology. they will be ahead technologically, with their composite materials and bleedless systems. airbus is behind technologically, and the a350 is not going to be comparable to the 7e7 in terms of that.

 

[Martin]

The market has spoken, and I'm sorry if that hurts your silly american pride.

 

[kalster]

i dont have a preference

any aircraft that can take me safely to my destination is fine by me
american, european, i dont care