Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps

[flexy]

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Investigators said they had so far been unable to retrieve any data from the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, and the inquiry has been hampered further, an official said, by the discovery that the second black box, which was found on Wednesday, was severely damaged, and its memory card dislodged and missing
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From the NYT.

In other words: We will NEVER know what happened. How did I see that coming...the irony...

 

[fleshconsumed]

The media is completely shameless. Fox News was already doing that shit this morning. You can tell they have a formula for air plane crashes. Not a few hour after the crash and they have experts lined up, 3d models of the flight path, pilots on the show to speculate, yadda yadda. It was like shepard smith was getting off talking about the black box and what "could" be stored on it. So dumb.

There was palpable excitement coming from the Fox Newsroom, really creepy.

I find it both deeply amusing and disturbing that dailymail, essentially a British tabloid newspaper has better coverage than anything over here. Really makes me sad for the quality of news we receive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

 

[unokitty]

More Speculation

Reports circulating on professional pilot forums suggested the black box on the Airbus A320 had been analysed and revealed that a 'structural failure' was responsible for the disaster.

Flight 4U 9525 dropped out of the sky and ploughed into a mountainside in the French Alps at more than 400mph yesterday, killing all 150 people board.

In the latest theory to emerge, it is thought the windscreen gave way, incapacitating the pilots and leaving them unable to send out a distress call.

 

[Subyman]

Oh boy, I don't know about that coverage. Plastering the faces of the victims on the internet seems to be in very poor taste. Gotta love how they must point out how many children and babies died right at the top of the page too...

EDIT: was referring to the dailymail article

 

[soccerballtux]

I hate how CNN turns this into a emotion/fear fueled story.

PLANE OBLITERATED

NO WRECKGE FOUND LARGER THAN SIZE OF SMALL CAR

BODIES STREWN FOR HUNDREDS OF METERS


Is that really needed? I think we all know what happens when many tons of metal, which hold fragile humans inside it, looks like after it hits an immovable object moving at high speed.

dude, get with the decade. nobody watches CNN anymore

 

[soccerballtux]

roadbus safer than airbus these days. might as well start calling it groundbus or crashedbus IMO.

 

[flexy]

Right!

Let's call it scarebus, and let's just ignore that

1. 0.00 - Airbus A340
2. 0.05 - Embraer 170/190
3. 0.07 - Boeing 747-400
4. 0.08 - Boeing 737-600/700/800/900
5. 0.10 - Airbus A320 (includes A318, A319, A321)

the Airbus A340 according to statistics is the SAFEST aircrfat and the A320 is the 5th safest and just slipped to position 5. because of this accident.


You can look at some statistics (there are a bunch of sites dedicated to this) where you can see it's really difficult to say whether Boeing or Airbus is "safer", they're pretty much tied at the top. With the exception of the A310, but then a Boeing is also on position 13.


IMHO, there are other factors which play a role...if some 3rd world country's carrier crashes with an AB (or Boeing)...does this make THE PLANE less safe? Hardly.

 

[flexy]

Last update:

Voice recorder COULD be analyzed but it doesn't give any indication to what caused the crash.

"Officials" are denying earlier NYT reports that the 2nd box was found but couldn't be analyzed. Some official is saying they still didn't find the 2nd box.

Edit:

Cracked windshield theory SEEMS plausible...sort-of....

 

[hal2kilo]

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Investigators said they had so far been unable to retrieve any data from the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, and the inquiry has been hampered further, an official said, by the discovery that the second black box, which was found on Wednesday, was severely damaged, and its memory card dislodged and missing
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From the NYT.

In other words: We will NEVER know what happened. How did I see that coming...the irony...

Hey, man if you follow the logic of the fools making I/A rules for the military they will probably be able to get the design of the atomic bomb off of those chips.

 

[rudder]

So it appears one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and could be heard trying to break the door in while the plane was descending.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rench-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html

Murder/suicide? Or did one pilot leave and the remaining pilot in the cockpit became incapacitated. Usually it is standard for the remaining pilot in the cockpit to don an oxygen mask if the other pilot leaves.

the pilot who left the cockpit would have had a key though and should not have to break down the door.

 

[Jaskalas]

So who is the copilot?

 

[Subyman]

So who is the copilot?

Achmed.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Achmed.

Allahu Akbar?

 

[Blanky]

So it appears one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and could be heard trying to break the door in while the plane was descending.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rench-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html

Murder/suicide? Or did one pilot leave and the remaining pilot in the cockpit became incapacitated. Usually it is standard for the remaining pilot in the cockpit to don an oxygen mask if the other pilot leaves.

the pilot who left the cockpit would have had a key though and should not have to break down the door.

I typically ignore these crashes. Shit happens.

However, that is a really interesting point to this story. Either the guy still in the cockpit had a health issue unluckily at the same time the other pilot was outside of the cockpit door or it was a mass-murder. Few people committing suicide take others with them so I rather doubt a guy would kill himself with 150 people on board unless he wanted them to dead.

My guess at this point is just unlucky timing and something happened to put the pilot in the cockpit unconscious.

 

[z1ggy]

I typically ignore these crashes. Shit happens.

However, that is a really interesting point to this story. Either the guy still in the cockpit had a health issue unluckily at the same time the other pilot was outside of the cockpit door or it was a mass-murder. Few people committing suicide take others with them so I rather doubt a guy would kill himself with 150 people on board unless he wanted them to dead.

My guess at this point is just unlucky timing and something happened to put the pilot in the cockpit unconscious.

Why wouldn't the copilot have a key or access code to get in? Seems stupid to have a lock on a door, then leave with no way to get back in, for this very reason.

Seems like a person would have to put in some type of over riding code to prevent that from happening, thus why maybe the copilot was trying to physically break the door in.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ermanwings-crash/story-fnizu68q-1227279954304

 

[Uppsala9496]

Why wouldn't the copilot have a key or access code to get in? Seems stupid to have a lock on a door, then leave with no way to get back in, for this very reason.

Seems like a person would have to put in some type of over riding code to prevent that from happening, thus why maybe the copilot was trying to physically break the door in.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ermanwings-crash/story-fnizu68q-1227279954304

There is a 5 minute lockout when the code is entered.
More than enough time to crash the plane.

 

[z1ggy]

There is a 5 minute lockout when the code is entered.
More than enough time to crash the plane.

I read earlier though, the plane took 8 minutes to descent, but maybe the reports were wrong.

Anyway, from what I've seen up to now, it seems pretty likely the copilot crashed the plane on purpose.

:-/

 

[Demo24]

I read earlier though, the plane took 8 minutes to descent, but maybe the reports were wrong.

Anyway, from what I've seen up to now, it seems pretty likely the copilot crashed the plane on purpose.

:-/

BBC is reporting co-pilot intentionally crashed the plane:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32063587

:'(

 

[Uppsala9496]

The article I was going to quote that passage from is now different.

Saw another article (can't find it) that said the cockpit can block the lockout code. So it appears the copilot did just that. Messed up situation.

EU will be implementing the US flight rules of having a 2 people in the cockpit at all times from now on I bet.

 

[CZroe]

I read earlier though, the plane took 8 minutes to descent, but maybe the reports were wrong.

Anyway, from what I've seen up to now, it seems pretty likely the copilot crashed the plane on purpose.

:-/

4 minute restroom break + 5 minute lockout = ...
If someone on the other side was keeping him out deliberately the he/she may have done something to reset the time extending the duration of the lockout by another 5 minutes.

 

[Newell Steamer]

This is sad - sounds like a murder suicide.

Also, to all the arm chair crime terrorism investigator experts; get a life.

 

[flexy]

Latest update is...

Co-Pilot Andreas M. Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane.

makes me ****g angry and pissed, for once of course that a suicidal maniac thinks he must take 150 people with him.....secondly...WHY is it even possible that the pilot cannot enter the cabin...and thirdly if that guy had any mental problems how did he even become a pilot?

This is not the first time that a pilot deliberately crashed a plane...as if the pilot did not have countless "opportunities" before to end his life.

 

[flexy]

Also, to all the arm chair crime terrorism investigator experts; get a life.

Uhm...the speculation(s) that it was deliberate where obviously justified...

 

[Dulanic]

Latest update is...

Co-Pilot Andreas M. Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane.

makes me ****g angry and pissed, for once of course that a suicidal maniac thinks he must take 150 people with him.....secondly...WHY is it even possible that the pilot cannot enter the cabin...and thirdly if that guy had any mental problems how did he even become a pilot?

This is not the first time that a pilot deliberately crashed a plane...as if the pilot did not have countless "opportunities" before to end his life.

The worst part has to be is one of the passengers to be sitting there hearing the captain screaming to be let in as the plane is slowly going down towards the mountains. That is my greatest fear of flying, you have no control over what can happen to you and it could end in a long torturous ending.

I'd much rather it be a quick sudden ending!

 

[CZroe]

This is sad - sounds like a murder suicide.

Also, to all the arm chair crime terrorism investigator experts; get a life.

I'll take it to the next level: Conspiracy. They appear to be white-washing the nationalities present to downplay or eliminate mentions of those from typically Muslim countries.

The OP's link says:

Those aboard included a "high number of ... Turks,"

then this article attempts to give specific totals and completely fails to mention Turks:

Germanwings CEO Thomas Winkelmann said the airline was in the process of contacting victims' families. He said the 144 passengers and six crew members included 72 Germans, 35 Spaniards, three Americans and two people each from Australia, Argentina, Iran, Venezuela, and one person each from Britain, the Netherlands, Colombia, Mexico, Japan, Denmark, Belgium and Israel.

It attempts to acknowledge some of the discrepancies but still completely fails to account for the "high number of ... Turks."

The three Americans included a mother and daughter, the U.S. State Department said Wednesday. Some may have dual nationalities; Spain's government said 51 citizens had died in the crash.

I don't really care. Just thought it was amusing.