Air America bites the dust.

[Avvocato Effetti]

Liberals/Democrats/Heathens have trouble anywhere other than Hollywood.

Every subtle aspect of the LIE can be controlled in that medium.

In the world of broadcast radio, the truth always comes out over time.

In the multitude of words sin is revealed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Liberals/Democrats/Heathens have trouble anywhere other than Hollywood.

Every subtle aspect of the LIE can be controlled in that medium.

In the world of broadcast radio, the truth always comes out over time.

In the multitude of words sin is revealed.

Lest we forget, a watched pot never boils.

 

[dmcowen674]

Lest we forget, a watched pot never boils.

Republicans will also learn a boiling pot burns.

 

[Red Dawn]

LOL @ Craig. You do provide some good entertainment man

Air America should have never been on the air. Regardless of my personal views, I like watching/hearing/reading takes from all sides of the spectrum. I tried listening to Air America for a while, but it was truly so awful that I just could not stomach it. Maddow is a perfect example of it -- she's an absolute nutcase, and she's found a very appropriate home with her fellow nutcases at MSNBC.

Good riddance to AA. Unfortunately, you can bet this will be followed by increased talk of government measures to force successful talk radio to include the democrat message.

Just goes to prove the single and simple minded approach that works with the Republicans doesn't work with anybody else.

 

[Double Trouble]

Just goes to prove the single and simple minded approach that works with the Republicans doesn't work with anybody else.

Craig, is that you ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Craig, is that you ?

Sarah Palin, is that you?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

The world of the visual is fickle, subject to change and unreliable. It is this world that logic and reason spring from.

The world-of-words is unchangeable and solid, provided those words align with The Word.

Why do you think God wrote to us instead of sending an angel?

You were warned about Proselytizing. If the topic has to do with religion then fine but this topic has nothing to do with religion. Do it again and you'll be history

Red Dawn

Anandtech Admin

 

[nick1985]

craig, could you please explain rush limbaugh to us??

Air america was on the air for 5+ years before going under.

It only took rush 2 years to go from local radio host to the most listened to person on the radio. And he didn't have anyone promoting him left and right. Instead he offered people something that they wanted to listen too.

vast right wing consipiracy

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

vast right wing consipiracy

It's called the free market.

 

[nick1985]

It's called the free market.

Its called sarcasm

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Its called sarcasm

gotcha.

 

[PricklyPete]

um...I can only speak for myself but I listen to npr and I don't watch TV.

Same here.

 

[BigDH01]

TUES. JAN. 19, 2010

FOXNEWS HANNITY 6,809,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 6,399,000
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 5,228,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,446,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 3,338,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 3,241,000
CNN KING 1,681,000
CNN COOPER 1,508,000
CNN BROWN 1,308,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,274,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,236,000
CNN BLITZER 1,135,000
CNNHN BEHAR 845,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 798,000

I wonder why.

I don't. It's been my experience that ~70% of the people I deal with are too lazy or ignorant to try to learn and think for themselves. Thus, it is not surprising to me that many of them tune into programs that tell them what to think so that they don't have to. Formulating your own opinions means taking a path that can ostracize and alienate you from both major political parties in this country, a state which social animals like humans do not want to embrace.

Your argument trying to appeal to the majority obviously does nothing for me. I would rather live a life of introspection and observation than turn on Hannity or Olbermann and parrot what the Premiere of my Party is telling their herd. I am glad Air America is gone. I can only hope that Fox and MSNBC go too. Maybe then people can starting making their own beliefs instead of merely accepting them.

 

[umbrella39]

Just curious, do you think that's something to be proud of? I typically don't think much of people who get their news from television - much less "news" from the likes of Beck and Olbermann.

To me, I'd take this as a sign that the "right" is slightly thicker in the head than the "left".

This has been pointed out to him over and over and he still thinks it's cool to ride on the biggest short bus. SSDD... yawn

 

[BigDH01]

I am simply stating that there is a product people want (FNC) and a product that less people want (CNN/MSNBC).

If Air America offered a product people wanted it would be in business. There are not enough "progressives" in this country to support Air America.

Your conclusion doesn't follow. Air America was offering a product that people didn't want but that doesn't mean there aren't many progressives in in the US. It means if there are many progressives, they aren't listening to talk radio (which is the point yllus was making).

If we assume that Conservatives are primarily getting their news from FNC and also that they are using the views expressed on that channel to formulate their own opinions, then it speaks negatively of those Conservatives. It means instead of conducting any independent analysis and reaching conclusions, they are simply accepting what FNC propagandists are telling them as the truth (which is the more relevant point that yllus was making).

Are those assumptions true? I don't have any quantitative data regarding the opinions of the viewership. The empirical evidence I have gathered from those I know to watch that channel religiously suggests that they become quite defensive and unwilling to question the propagandists they parrot. For instance, I was unable to get one viewer to actually read the purported "death panel" clause in the healthcare bill, despite having sent them the page number, line number, and link to the text. If they still held the "death panel" view after reading this portion of the document, we may have had a meaningful discussion where this viewer's beliefs could be defended. It bothers me that this person accepted this position without reasonable doubt. It would've taken less time to read this portion of the bill than it would for whatever commentator they were watching to permanently instill this idea.

This is what really bothers me. An almost religious adherence to the beliefs expressed on these channels removes any hope of reasonable debate, thought, and discourse. I despise them.

By the way, I would do the same for someone who watched Olbermann religiously (even though my views are more progressive, being a left-libertarian). I just don't know anyone that watches Olbermann religiously, or at all.

 

[OutHouse]

Just curious, do you think that's something to be proud of? I typically don't think much of people who get their news from television - much less "news" from the likes of Beck and Olbermann.

To me, I'd take this as a sign that the "right" is slightly thicker in the head than the "left".

you look down on people for watching the news on tv?

 

[yllus]

you look down on people for watching the news on tv?

Not exactly. Better stated, I wouldn't consider a person very well informed on current events if they simply watch the six-o-clock news. I do have actual derision for those who tune in to "news commentators", though.

 

[Mursilis]

Your conclusion doesn't follow. Air America was offering a product that people didn't want but that doesn't mean there aren't many progressives in in the US. It means if there are many progressives, they aren't listening to talk radio (which is the point yllus was making).

If we assume that Conservatives are primarily getting their news from FNC and also that they are using the views expressed on that channel to formulate their own opinions, then it speaks negatively of those Conservatives. It means instead of conducting any independent analysis and reaching conclusions, they are simply accepting what FNC propagandists are telling them as the truth (which is the more relevant point that yllus was making).

Are those assumptions true?

No.

I don't have any quantitative data regarding the opinions of the viewership.

Exactly. But then you stumble along to your ancedotal "evidence" anyway, actually calling it "empirical"!!

The empirical evidence I have gathered from those I know to watch that channel religiously suggests that they become quite defensive and unwilling to question the propagandists they parrot. For instance, I was unable to get one viewer to actually read the purported "death panel" clause in the healthcare bill, despite having sent them the page number, line number, and link to the text. If they still held the "death panel" view after reading this portion of the document, we may have had a meaningful discussion where this viewer's beliefs could be defended. It bothers me that this person accepted this position without reasonable doubt. It would've taken less time to read this portion of the bill than it would for whatever commentator they were watching to permanently instill this idea.

For instance, all the progressives I know like to rape puppies! It must be an evil idealogy!

This is what really bothers me. An almost religious adherence to the beliefs expressed on these channels removes any hope of reasonable debate, thought, and discourse. I despise them.

Blind adherence to someone else's beliefs is still a conscious choice. You may not like it, but it is.

 

[Theb]

Even when I was in college and as liberal as the day is long I didn't enjoy Air America. Even with Franken on I really tried to listen. I don't know what it was exactly it just didn't engage or entertain me.
I do like NPR though.

 

[BigDH01]

No.

So I'm assuming you do have quantitative data, although I don't think that the assumption that all Conservatives watch FNC is a good one. Or even that all Conservatives that do watch FNC use it is a foundation for their beliefs. Conservatives that religiously watch FNC probably do base their beliefs on that of the commentators. At least, that is my hypothesis.

Exactly. But then you stumble along to your ancedotal "evidence" anyway, actually calling it "empirical"!!

I don't understand the roll eyes. I observed this behavior myself, it is not hearsay, and the working hypothesis would be that people who follow FNC religiously will often disregard any mention of reality. The evidence I have observed supports this, but I do not have enough observations to accept or deny the hypothesis.

I never suggested that this was a common element among all viewers as I don't have enough quantitative data to suggest as such. I have stated this.

For instance, all the progressives I know like to rape puppies! It must be an evil idealogy!

I never stated that all Conservatives I know watch FNC and use it to formulate opinion. I have stated that I know several that do and religiously adhere to it. Just as the progressives in your case rape puppies. You didn't state that that all Progressives rape puppies and I assume you have no data as such.

Also, I never stated Conservatism was evil. I'm perfectly willing to have an informed discussion with a person of any ideology. The problem is that people who adopt the beliefs of others are often not informed (at least in my experience). There is no need to make a normative claim about political ideologies on my part, thus I don't know why you try to use it in your analogy.

Blind adherence to someone else's beliefs is still a conscious choice. You may not like it, but it is.

A choice that voluntarily limits one's own human experience by making it resemble more like that of a sheep's. If they want to do that, fine, but I have to share my country with these people. I don't want them making irrational decisions or decisions that serve solely to benefit those they are parroting. I'd much prefer they were free-thinking and informed.

I see I struck a nerve here, but realize my contention is that people who blindly follow those of either ideology are sacrificing their human experience and, by proximity, harming my own.

 

[TheNoblePlatypus]

FOXNEWS HANNITY 6,809,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 6,399,000
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 5,228,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,446,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 3,338,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 3,241,000
CNN KING 1,681,000
CNN COOPER 1,508,000
CNN BROWN 1,308,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,274,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,236,000
CNN BLITZER 1,135,000
CNNHN BEHAR 845,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 798,000

I wonder why.

Bush also got elected twice; the evidence that most people aren't smarter than their pets is hard to quantify.

Whatever you say. It's a different business to be sure, but for you to suggest that Air America didn't have rich backers like Fox did is utter BS.

Air America was at the disadvantage of representing the ideology that valued people above corporate entities, it was born to fail as a business.

NOBODY WANTED TO LISTEN TO THAT STUPID SHIT.

I don't know, I always liked listening to dissenting opinions. Instead of reinforcing a narrow view of the world.

Craig, could you please explain Rush Limbaugh to us??

How about I try.

Rush provides an easy unrefined message for people to digest. Splitting things up in black and white makes it easier to turn ideology into football. It's also much more entertaining to talk about blowing people up instead of reconciling differences, facts over feelings, and realism versus faith. By it's nature it isn't a way of thinking that's open to introspection or empathy.

There are strong parallels between conservative talkers and religion, they both provide an easily understood message. "We're Right"

 

[blackangst1]

No matter where people get their news, I believe people in general have an inate sense of right and wrong.

Thus, the failure of AA. It has nothing to do with Craig's conspiracy of sponsorship directly...it has to do with listenership. Which AA did not have. Its like the guy on the corner yelling about the end of the world. People know when to ignore bullshit.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think there is no place in America for a genuine left concerned with social justice and the average man. This is a corporate owned franchise and its headed for self destruction. I don't think anything will stop it. The American people are essentially brain dead.

 

[TheNoblePlatypus]

No matter where people get their news, I believe people in general have an inate sense of right and wrong.

Thus, the failure of AA.

I wish my view of the world was this simplistic, it would be much easier to deal with.

 

[blackangst1]

I wish my view of the world was this simplistic, it would be much easier to deal with.

Here's a simple concept for you: generalities are generally true.