AGP X1950PRO 512 & P4 Bottlenecks - Questions Answered

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin
back from work and Video is ... the usual
isgust:


ANYway ... ArchAngel777 Prepare yourself


to be *Blown Away*

i know i was ...



OK, i went to PC Club B&M and picked out the TT regular Prescott Cooler [to 3.6Ghz] so i can test my CPU and return or upgrade it easily.


Well, booted into BIOS with it and nopticed temperatures were down from almost 80c to high 50s .... o/c'd it [FSB > 212 1:1 divider ... an *easy one*]

Ran 3DMark05 ... 9137 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so ... in my identical rig ... no changes *except* from a 2.80c @3.25Ghz at 8075 to a 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz is *over* 1,000 marks
:Q

i haven tried 3.7 or 3.8 ... i may have to drop the memory divider ... but my upgrade IS significant

i bet i can get over 10,000 if i OC my X1950p/512M also

not bad for AGP ... and imo, a substantial upgrade ... for $80

here is the O/C'ing thread ... i will duplicate the info there and try for an "extreme" O/C
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=40&threadid=2012696&enterthread=y

Holy sh!t 9137...do you have a screenshot just for verification purposes?

your only 160 points or so under my rig....damn I didn't think an EE would make that much difference.

no ... but i can give the details if you like

and neither did i ... .. not just at 3.6Ghz ... i guess the 2MB L3 cache was a good idea
:Q

now let me go and try to *really* O/C it ... i may also end up with a really "nice" cooler tomorrow [i'm thinking the TT 'Tornado' if she is a mean o/c'er]

... and some killer RAM if it does

maybe i will upgrade in '09 instead of '08
:shocked:

naw


naw

Why not? got something to hide?

 

[apoppin]

no and i can *prove* it - if necessary

:roll:

ANYWAY, i went up to 218 FSB ... or 3.7Ghz ... she didn't break a sweat ... STILL hi 50s and low 60s.

AND 9280 @ 3.7Ghz ... starting to look like a 3800+

1) 40.2
2) 25.9
3) 49.1

4380 CPU

1) 2.1
2) 4.0

i have to do the 'dinner thing' ... i'm making it ... so back and forth between tests ... might be awhile in looking for my max OC.

Fortunately the EE multiplyer is high and my RAM is still at 1:1 at 218FSB ... might have to back down to 5:4 for 3.8Ghz ... if she goes that hi

i'll let you know

 

[nitromullet]

Isn't the EE unlocked...?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Isn't the EE unlocked...?

i don't know ... won't make any difference ... the core tops out at exactly 3.7Ghz ... but completely stable [so far, apparently]

which isn't bad considering the very fastest P4 EE topped out at 3.73 ... pretty much the upper *limit* of the architecture ... although some do O/C further with a voltage boost.

mine can't go higher even with raising the vcore from 1.55 to 1.60 ... and the memory is still at 1:1 ... within the limits of my PC3500 which makes it over 220FSB ... although i DID try 5:4 for higher FSBs over 218. ... no go

the temps are almost UNchanged from 3.4Ghz and 3.7Ghz ... a couple of degrees ... so i won't bother with an exotic cooler. ... the Prescott cooler is sufficient ... it was over 80F in my room for the tests.

Final result ... only the cpu being changes

My 2.80c @ 3.31Ghz [5:4 divider] gets 8075 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9137 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.7Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9280 in 3DMark05

worth it ... and i won't need better RAM

 

[nullpointerus]

apoppin:

Glad to hear you managed a good OC!

 

[apoppin]

it is actually only a "fair" O/C ... 300 Mhz ... less than 10%
[but the FSB increases from 800 to 872]

And 'thank-you' ... it is sufficient for a decent upgrade ... i really think i have *unfettered* my x1950p

best of all

i don't need to spend MORE money on a better cooler and fast RAM

that's ... next year ...



actually BEST of all ... i learned *something* about AGP X1950PRO 512 & P4 Bottlenecks ...
first hand

 

[apoppin]

oops

i forgot to give you the results for my P4 EE at stock 3.4 Ghz ... 3Dmark05 -

My 2.80c @ 3.31Ghz [5:4 divider] gets 8075 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.4Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 8836 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9137 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.7Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9280 in 3DMark05

i am a practical O/Cer ... it appears that 3.6Ghz is *perfect* for day-to-day needs including gaming ... just like although my 2.80c would *do* 3.31 Ghz, i generally kept it at 3.2Ghz
[and when the thermal compound 'dried out' and the HSF fan filled with dust ... it STILL made 3.2Ghz]

 

[nitromullet]

Your results aren't very surprising. 3.7 -3.8 is probably the upper limit of the Gallatin/Northwood cores without a volt mod. I had a 2.6C that would hit 3.4 (5:4), and the 3.4C that replaced it wouldn't go any higher that 3.6. Needless to say, it wasn't such a great upgrade.

 

[apoppin]

what i was *expecting* [3.6]

i was *hoping* for 3.8

and *got* 3.7 :gift:

at any rate ... i think it is a nice final upgrade for my old rig and has placed it solidy in the *midrange plus* ... again ... it may not seem like 'much', but it will eventually give me even more "room" to oc my pro ... just before i upgrade - if necessary

a mini last bang-for-buck upgrade that has increased my satisfaction with my old AGP rig :heart:

--along with WS [maybe]

 

[ArchAngel777]

A 13% increase in 3DMark from 2.8 to 3.6EE. I would say your system is pretty well balanced at this point. Glad to hear you are happy. :thumbsup:

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin
what i was *expecting* [3.6]

i was *hoping* for 3.8

and *got* 3.7 :gift:

at any rate ... i think it is a nice final upgrade for my old rig and has placed it solidy in the *midrange plus* ... again ... it may not seem like 'much', but it will eventually give me even more "room" to oc my pro ... just before i upgrade - if necessary

a mini last bang-for-buck upgrade that has increased my satisfaction with my old AGP rig :heart:

--along with WS [maybe]

I will try to see how much overclockable is that CPU in this mobo, considering my RAM is a very Low Latency Ram PC3200, I will not know the final results, I was able to clock my Northwood to 3.73GHz but wasn't stable all the time.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
A 13% increase in 3DMark from 2.8 to 3.6EE. I would say your system is pretty well balanced at this point. Glad to hear you are happy. :thumbsup:

it isn't like i *play* 3DMark05

in *this* case it suits admirably what it was "created" for ... tracking changes within a system

it isn't just the +13% ... i believed you mentioned it added a "few fps" to the 'top-end' ...

i have been *playing games* ... at 3.4Ghz and frankly, i'm pleased ... nevermind 3.7

well, don't forget the bottom ... the minimum FPS ... as games get more detailed [and slopply coded], i'll need bothGPU and CPU power ...

i can notice a little more fluidity to the motion and less tendency to hitch - even for an instant - in the most detailed 'action' scenes

worth the upgrade? sure

it's what i do


evolucion8, i tried +.05v increase but no go ... and i could get into windows at 3.8Ghz .... so the potential is there ... since the multiplier is 17, the FSB isn't strained that much for PC3500 ...

... but unstable is unstable ... ok in Win but had problems launching aps ... probably would go at 1.65v [+.1v ]... but i ain't gonna risk it ... and i'd need the more exotic cooler with the heatpipes [$30 more] to keep the temps reasonable ... with Summer coming, forget it ... i am OK with the performance

of course, i will get more impressions ... i want to look at FEAR's benchmark next
- mainly between 3.4 and 3.6G ... the min FPS ... i dropped below 30fps 1% at 10x7 ... --now it's 14x9 [and i think my CRT still works]

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is actually only a "fair" O/C ... 300 Mhz ... less than 10%
[but the FSB increases from 800 to 872]

And 'thank-you' ... it is sufficient for a decent upgrade ... i really think i have *unfettered* my x1950p

Don't knock it; I got a complete dud of an X2 which can't go from 2.2 to 2.42 without a large voltage increase and massively underclocked HT link and of a GTO which can't go up 5% on the core without blanking the screen in 3D mode--both were sold at the upper end of their headroom, apparently.

How did your GPU end up overclocking, or didn't you want to "push it" yet?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is actually only a "fair" O/C ... 300 Mhz ... less than 10%
[but the FSB increases from 800 to 872]

And 'thank-you' ... it is sufficient for a decent upgrade ... i really think i have *unfettered* my x1950p

Don't knock it; I got a complete dud of an X2 which can't go from 2.2 to 2.42 without a large voltage increase and massively underclocked HT link and of a GTO which can't go up 5% on the core without blanking the screen in 3D mode--both were sold at the upper end of their headroom, apparently.

How did your GPU end up overclocking, or didn't you want to "push it" yet?

my Sapphire?
:Q

overclock it?
:shocked:

after what happened the first time

NO way!




--not yet

actually, i am not 'knocking', my O/C ... it is 'modest' but decent ... and 3.7 is a nice jump in performance over 3.4 ... better 'n i expected

and re: your X2 ... where does it stop working stably?
there is usually a "sweet spot" where it works perfectly over stock speeds at default vCore ... then requires a big voltage increase to get to the 'next level'

i *know* mine will do 3.8Ghz ... but then there is the point of dininishing returns ... where you are "harming" your CPU to get a few extra Mhz with a massive cooler
[i am not very popular in OC'ing forum]

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is actually only a "fair" O/C ... 300 Mhz ... less than 10%
[but the FSB increases from 800 to 872]

And 'thank-you' ... it is sufficient for a decent upgrade ... i really think i have *unfettered* my x1950p

Don't knock it; I got a complete dud of an X2 which can't go from 2.2 to 2.42 without a large voltage increase and massively underclocked HT link and of a GTO which can't go up 5% on the core without blanking the screen in 3D mode--both were sold at the upper end of their headroom, apparently.

How did your GPU end up overclocking, or didn't you want to "push it" yet?

my Sapphire?
:Q

overclock it?
:shocked:

after what happened the first time

NO way!




--not yet

actually, i am not 'knocking', my O/C ... it is 'modest' but decent ... and 3.7 is a nice jump in performance over 3.4 ... better 'n i expected

and re: your X2 ... where does it stop working stably?
there is usually a "sweet spot" where it works perfectly over stock speeds at default vCore ... then requires a big voltage increase to get to the 'next level'

i *know* mine will do 3.8Ghz ... but then there is the point of dininishing returns ... where you are "harming" your CPU to get a few extra Mhz with a massive cooler
[i am not very popular in OC'ing forum]

Sorry, bad choice of words there.

Now that you have an 850w PSU, you don't have to worry about it taking out your GPU. If the core temp isn't too hot considering your 80F room temp, I would chance OC'ing although I'm not exactly an expert on safe OC'ing.



My X2 doesn't seem to have a sweet spot. It's a 90nm Winchester X2 4200+ that's a known dud. (Earlier X2 4200+'s were stellar OC'ers, IIRC) I got it as a gift last birthday so I can't really complain, but it would've been nice to squeeze some extra performance out of it. I had my old 3000+ up from 1.8 to 2.4 GHz stable w/ only a slight overvolt.

Overclocking the X2: I had significantly better luck with the 10x multi. than the 11x. RAM made no difference as I kept it well within spec. I kept a chart and got lots of errors--BSODs on boot, freeze-ups, etc.--from 240x10 and up unless I increased the voltage. >= 250x10 wouldn't completely boot into Windows even with a .1v boost.

Odd thing is that decreasing the total HT link from 1 GHz to 500 MHz w/ 250x10 and .1v boost completed 15 minutes of Prime95--didn't test further. I was under the impression that HT link speed didn't matter so long as it was <= 1 GHz. Maybe an ultra low HT link speed is starving the X2 and causing it to appear stable at 2.5 GHz in Prime95?

Why are you "not very popular" in the OC forum? You seem like a nice person.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is actually only a "fair" O/C ... 300 Mhz ... less than 10%
[but the FSB increases from 800 to 872]

And 'thank-you' ... it is sufficient for a decent upgrade ... i really think i have *unfettered* my x1950p

Don't knock it; I got a complete dud of an X2 which can't go from 2.2 to 2.42 without a large voltage increase and massively underclocked HT link and of a GTO which can't go up 5% on the core without blanking the screen in 3D mode--both were sold at the upper end of their headroom, apparently.

How did your GPU end up overclocking, or didn't you want to "push it" yet?

my Sapphire?
:Q

overclock it?
:shocked:

after what happened the first time

NO way!




--not yet

actually, i am not 'knocking', my O/C ... it is 'modest' but decent ... and 3.7 is a nice jump in performance over 3.4 ... better 'n i expected

and re: your X2 ... where does it stop working stably?
there is usually a "sweet spot" where it works perfectly over stock speeds at default vCore ... then requires a big voltage increase to get to the 'next level'

i *know* mine will do 3.8Ghz ... but then there is the point of dininishing returns ... where you are "harming" your CPU to get a few extra Mhz with a massive cooler
[i am not very popular in OC'ing forum]

Sorry, bad choice of words there.

Now that you have an 850w PSU, you don't have to worry about it taking out your GPU. If the core temp isn't too hot considering your 80F room temp, I would chance OC'ing although I'm not exactly an expert on safe OC'ing.



My X2 doesn't seem to have a sweet spot. It's a 90nm Winchester X2 4200+ that's a known dud. (Earlier X2 4200+'s were stellar OC'ers, IIRC) I got it as a gift last birthday so I can't really complain, but it would've been nice to squeeze some extra performance out of it. I had my old 3000+ up from 1.8 to 2.4 GHz stable w/ only a slight overvolt.

Overclocking the X2: I had significantly better luck with the 10x multi. than the 11x. RAM made no difference as I kept it well within spec. I kept a chart and got lots of errors--BSODs on boot, freeze-ups, etc.--from 240x10 and up unless I increased the voltage. >= 250x10 wouldn't completely boot into Windows even with a .1v boost.

Odd thing is that decreasing the total HT link from 1 GHz to 500 MHz w/ 250x10 and .1v boost completed 15 minutes of Prime95--didn't test further. I was under the impression that HT link speed didn't matter so long as it was <= 1 GHz. Maybe an ultra low HT link speed is starving the X2 and causing it to appear stable at 2.5 GHz in Prime95?

Why are you "not very popular" in the OC forum? You seem like a nice person.

Head over to o/c'ing and post your "issue" to be sure ... if they like you, these resident guys over there are really *experts* with a lot of knowledge [i used to 'live' there ... before Video]

as to not popular, you have to remember these guys are RABID o/c'ers that will send back CPU after CPU to get a "perfect" one .. and ridiculous amounts of money on exotic cooling, volt mods and other tweaks to squeeze the very last Mhz outta a CPU

i tend to 'buck' their trend ... case in point ... todays'

Should I be satisfied with this overclock? With poll.

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
1. Usually the people with the best overclocks post their results
2. Many people stretch the truth to make themselves look better
3. Many people claim overclocks that are nowhere close to 24/7 stable
4. Anyone who claims to know what the "average" overclock for a particular chip is full of crap, no way they have enough verified data to make that claim

To me a better way to look at it is, at 3.2ghz you got 800mhz more than what Intel gauranteed and the 4mb cache. Much better than trying to compare to the bloated numbers that the e-penis waving boys claim to get and being disappointed. Hell crank the vcore up to 1.7 just long enough to get a validated CPU-z suicide screenie at 3.8 and post in your sig if it makes you feel better thats what most do

you DO know this is HERESY in the O/C'ing forum
:Q

stop making any sense

a "real" o/c'er is NEVER satisfied

... so IGNORE me and sell that 6600 and try again
[i'm a wussie that actually was actually satisfied with my 2.80c at 3.31Ghz and i *won't* massively overvolt my P4 3.4EE with an exotic cooler to got from 3.7 to 3.8Ghz]

you might actually get an extra FPS--or two - in a real game ... but you will have an *awesome* 3DmarkXX score and an e-penis for everyone else to admire

i am not really warmly welcomed there ...
:Q



edit: GH, also ... i tend to speak my mind ... and *those guys* in GH are B-O-R-I-N-G any controversy sends their mod into a tizzy

it is SO dull there

yawn

i don't miss it at all

 

[apoppin]

*finally*

am i as SICK to death of this thread as you guys seem to be?
[sorry OP]

i ran a little FEAR demo ... general "impressions"

at 10x7 i can *now* play at everything *maxed* 8xAA/16xAF and get the *same* as i did with my 2.80c@3.25 that i had with 2xAA/4xAF
--1% below 25 FPS

now everything is staying *maxed* but now at 10x7 2x/4x or 12x9 there are NO FPS below 25 ... top becomes 144 FPS

and at 14x10 [everything maxed, 2xAA/4xAF] i get now with the EE at 3.7Ghz what i got at 10x7 with the 2.80c@3.25Ghz ... 1% below 25 FPS

so ... i think you *will* see an improvement going from a lesser P4 at 3.31Ghz to an EE at 3.7 Ghz with an x1950p/512M

a noticeable and practical improvement

iMo

the WS LCD was just to make it seem i spent a couple thousand on a new system ... instead of a few hundred.
[the illusion works]

about to start working on it now ... not totally satisfied

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
*finally*

am i as SICK to death of this thread as you guys seem to be?
[sorry OP]

I'm not sick of it!

Thanks for the advice BTW.

I have good news and bad news: a problem that I thought I'd fixed before OC-ing has resurfaced. My computer kept BSOD-ing randomly on bootup (but not safe-mode) and occasionally in-game. This basically invalidates my previous OC-ing tests. I thought I'd settled the problem by adjusting the RAM voltage, but it's cropped up again.

~30 reboots later: I think it's fixed for good now.

nTune is gone.

BTW when you build your monster PCI-E 2.0 rig, you might want to check out a little utility called Vista Boot Pro, which lets you manage, back up, restore, and adjust your boot entries/settings. You can also run it within XP to adjust your Vista boot settings.

i ran a little FEAR demo ... general "impressions"

at 10x7 i can *now* play at everything *maxed* 8xAA/16xAF and get the *same* as i did with my 2.80c@3.25 that i had with 2xAA/4xAF
--1% below 25 FPS

now everything is staying *maxed* but now at 10x7 2x/4x or 12x9 there are NO FPS below 25 ... top becomes 144 FPS

and at 14x10 [everything maxed, 2xAA/4xAF] i get now with the EE at 3.7Ghz what i got at 10x7 with the 2.80c@3.25Ghz ... 1% below 25 FPS

so ... i think you *will* see an improvement going from a lesser P4 at 3.31Ghz to an EE at 3.7 Ghz with an x1950p/512M

a noticeable and practical improvement

iMo

the WS LCD was just to make it seem i spent a couple thousand on a new system ... instead of a few hundred.
[the illusion works]

about to start working on it now ... not totally satisfied

Not totally satisfied? Is it a hardware or software problem?

 

[apoppin]

not sure ... trying to "adjust" it to match my CRT ... just starting


the problem is my eyes ... they are "picky"

ANYWAY

and *one thing* to keep in mind when something that WAS stable becomes unstable

my 2.80c stopped being reliable at 3.31Ghz and i simply lowered the O/C back to 3.25Ghz, thinking it's electromigration ... getting "old"

uh uh ... the thermal crap dried out and dust built up - deep in the fins of the HS - where compressed air couldn't reach

in fact the plastic HSF holder was heat stressed and broke ... with the new HS, right back to 3.31Ghz and as stable as before

Moral: look for PHYSICAL reasons the OC is no longer stable
[restricted air flow/dust, etc.]

hope it's "simple" for you

 

[Paratus]

My goodness I disappear for 2 days to read all 1300+ posts on Oblivion in software, (1000 hours apoppin?!! & I thought you liked Gothic better), & I come back to find you've bought a P4EE!

9100 is a great score - look like your going to get the most out o your rig.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Paratus
My goodness I disappear for 2 days to read all 1300+ posts on Oblivion in software, (1000 hours apoppin?!! & I thought you liked Gothic better), & I come back to find you've bought a P4EE!

9100 is a great score - look like your going to get the most out o your rig.

what 9100 ?



9280 @ 3.71Ghz ... and i have been undervolting my CPU ... 1.575v is stock
:Q



1,250 hours .... in Oblivion
:clock:

:roll:



and i got really well-known on the official TES - Oblivion Forums
:evil:
-the first player to report 1,000 hours, "finishing" it with everything "maxed" at Level 92 --without the console or cheating. i know it pretty well


-- that forum has "real emoticons"




. . . and i DID like G3 better .... the first 100 hours or so ... till performance issues, bugged and broken SQs and the MQ and suck Ending kinda ruined it.
:disgust:

EDIT: and thank-you, Paratus

your thread got the 'ball rolling' for me re: 'bottlenecks" and by amazing coincidence, i was able to do the upgrade i planned for THREE years ... and report about it ... even more strangely ... adding to the topical info

--or was it a coincidence?
:shocked:

 

[Paratus]

Glad to be of service!

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Paratus
My goodness I disappear for 2 days to read all 1300+ posts on Oblivion in software, (1000 hours apoppin?!! & I thought you liked Gothic better), & I come back to find you've bought a P4EE!

9100 is a great score - look like your going to get the most out o your rig.

what 9100 ?



9280 @ 3.71Ghz ... and i have been undervolting my CPU ... 1.575v is stock
:Q

:Q

Hey, no fair! Your "ancient" AGP rig beat my X2-4200+/7900-GTO PCI-E rig @ 9171.

:beer::frown:



Thanks for the bit about the physical OC-ing impediments. I suppose that explains how my father's Athlon XP cooler melted off his heatsink and killed the CPU so long ago. I always blamed it on the thunderstorm...what he doesn't know won't hurt him...for now.



Regarding the X2, I got the BSOD's sorted out now. They still happen occasionally, but now they're predictable and rare, so I can separate them from the OC-related crashes. Sadly, my results are nearly the same, even with a newly cleaned HSF. This chip can do:

2200 @ 1.350 (stock & stock clocks)
2350 @ 1.350 (stock)
2400 @ 1.375
2450 @ 1.394
2500 @ 1.420 or 1.442 (1.45 is the "point of no return")

These are only 5-min. prime stable; I figured I'd get a list together and do the extensive testing overnight since I use my computer most of the day. Note that those speeds are the absolute limits for those voltages--any higher, and prime will fail in a minute or so.

Which would you recommend for conservative daily usage?

Like you, I don't believe in frying a chip every six months.

 

[apoppin]

for daily use ... seriously ...

well in my humble opinion ... you bought it for stock [unless you are a *rabid o/c'er* --in which case you have been thru a dozen chips already and you don't need *my* ... help ... head over to CPU /OC forum and feed the disease]

anyway ... anything *over* stock is a 'gift' ... literally "free" mhz

i push it until i notice the CPU temps heating up ... then back off ... and i will sometimes give +.025v IF it requires it for that added stability - which DOES shorten it's life, extra heat or no extra heat thru excessive electromigration ...

in fact i "pushed" it to 1.575 only to find out that IS intel's vcore for this particular CPU. ... so i got a little 'room' to maybe go to 3.8 with 1.6 ... but *why?* ... 3.7 is "stock" vcore, same temperatures as stock and it gives excellent improvement over 3.4Ghz 800FSB to 3.71G - 872 FSB - 1:1

and i will have a good 'conscience' when i sell it next year ... it will last the buyer a few more years .... beyond it's useful life, possibly

as to your X2 ... get the BSoDs completely sorted out ... there is no 99.99999% stable ... it is or isn't. Perhaps you need an OS fresh install ... keep looking 'till they become really rare and somewhat explainable.

looking at your results, i'd pick 2350 @ 1.350 (stock) - 100% stable ... beyond, that extra 50mhz for .025v is *meaningless* ... the next 50mhz, more so and possibly destructive

finally, the guys in O/C'ing are really helpful and they may be able to give you some specific tips re your CPU as my AMD knowledge is general compared to intel CPUs

 

[aircool]

Hello, can you help me.

My computer:

-Pentium 4, prescott core, running (OC'ed to) 3615mhz, from 2800 stock.
-1.5gb ram
-ASUS P4C800-E DELUXE
-200gb HDD, in total.
-500w dual railed psu, 18a each.
-Sapphire X1950pro AGP

I cannot play fear smoothly, even at low settings.

1280x960 at low settings, even minimal, plays bad.

i score 7.5k ~ in 3dmark05.