Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show thread

[phreaqe]

And Sky isn't a cardboard cutout character? Not to mention the nerd twins. Oh, the nerdy boy even likes the nerdy girl? No way!

They are as well, i just think that May and Ward are worse. My wife even commented on it without me mentioning it first.

Really if you think about it the characters on this show are not very good overall. They are all somewhat boring. Yet the show is still awesome despite that so i can only hope they sort out the characters while keeping the rest of the awesomeness and then the show will be even better.

Edit: and i think part of this is my own preference for things. I am tired of the "perfect" characters. May and Ward have this feeling that they are robotic and have very few flaws. No matter the situation they have this cool calm demeanor and never seem to make any real mistakes and are very serious. I prefer flawed characters who make mistakes and seem more human.

 

[smackababy]

They are as well, i just think that May and Ward are worse. My wife even commented on it without me mentioning it first.

Really if you think about it the characters on this show are not very good overall. They are all somewhat boring. Yet the show is still awesome despite that so i can only hope they sort out the characters while keeping the rest of the awesomeness and then the show will be even better.

It is funny because I think pretty much everything in the show, except the universe it is in, is bad. The acting is poorer than poor. The characters and writing are so awful. The "twist" was even worse. I mean really? A show concerning superheroes and the main villain is not one. I really dislike pretty much everything about the show. But, I continue to watch it. =(

 

[JujuFish]

May and Ward have this feeling that they are robotic and have very few flaws. No matter the situation they have this cool calm demeanor and never seem to make any real mistakes and are very serious. I prefer flawed characters who make mistakes and seem more human.

Being so similar, they made each other redundant. Perhaps that was part of the motivation to remove Ward.

 

[phreaqe]

Being so similar, they made each other redundant. Perhaps that was part of the motivation to remove Ward.

Thats an excellent point, if it was just one it would have been fine, but we had two characters who were almost identical and it just did not work for me.

and Smackababy, i will agree that there are a lot of things wrong with the show. Yet somehow i was loving it during the second half or so of the season. After the slow start it was just plain fun to watch. I do think they could be doing a lot of thing better especially with the universe they have to work with but it still managed to capture my attention and i was excited to sit down and watch new episodes.

 

[sactoking]

It is funny because I think pretty much everything in the show, except the universe it is in, is bad. The acting is poorer than poor. The characters and writing are so awful. The "twist" was even worse. I mean really? A show concerning superheroes and the main villain is not one. I really dislike pretty much everything about the show. But, I continue to watch it. =(

There's the problem with your thinking. While the show is set in a world in which superheroes and gods and aliens exist it's about normal people. One low-level super, like Deathlok, can pretty much destroy them so they can't break out Loki or Thanos or Galactus because it would be ridiculous; that's saved for the movies with the real heroes.

The single worst thing the show did from day one was not set expectations. People heard about a Marvel/SHIELD TV show and thought it would be all interwoven with Cap and Tony et al, so when it wasn't there was a pervasive sense of disappointment.

 

[smackababy]

There's the problem with your thinking. While the show is set in a world in which superheroes and gods and aliens exist it's about normal people. One low-level super, like Deathlok, can pretty much destroy them so they can't break out Loki or Thanos or Galactus because it would be ridiculous; that's saved for the movies with the real heroes.

The single worst thing the show did from day one was not set expectations. People heard about a Marvel/SHIELD TV show and thought it would be all interwoven with Cap and Tony et al, so when it wasn't there was a pervasive sense of disappointment.

The organization has superheroes in it though. Hawkeye? Romanov? Captain America? The capacity that they are the organization doing things behind the scenes for those would be fine. Except, they are just a bunch of assholes on a plane flying around being twats. Not to mention some super hacker who lives in her van has perfect hair and makeup, oh, and of course is special and hot. The show is a downright travesty to TV. It might as well be CSI: Marvel Universe Miami.

 

[dainthomas]

It is funny because I think pretty much everything in the show, except the universe it is in, is bad. The acting is poorer than poor. The characters and writing are so awful. The "twist" was even worse. I mean really? A show concerning superheroes and the main villain is not one. I really dislike pretty much everything about the show. But, I continue to watch it. =(

First off, we found out Bill Paxton had the deathlock implants, so he was kind of a superhero. And Deathlock himself, although not really bad, also qualifies. Plus Director Fury called Coulson an Avenger, and I think he'd know.

I mean, if Black Widow and Hawkeye qualify, obviously having magical superpowers isn't a prerequisite.

Looks like we should have some great baddies next season with Skye's parents.

 

[smackababy]

First off, we found out Bill Paxton had the deathlock implants, so he was kind of a superhero. And Deathlock himself, although not really bad, also qualifies. Plus Director Fury called Coulson an Avenger, and I think he'd know.

I mean, if Black Widow and Hawkeye qualify, obviously having magical superpowers isn't a prerequisite.

Looks like we should have some great baddies next season with Skye's parents.

Except, Paxton didn't have any real powers. I agree, Deathlock could have been, but he was pretty awful.

Hawkeye and Black Widow are, for the most part, so far above normal human capabilities, they can be superheroes. Similar to say the Punisher or Taskmaster. Maybe even Batman (if we are crossing over to DC).

These agents, however, are pretty much a step above red shirts in skill. Calling someone an Avenger and them actually being one are two different things. Fury can call Coulson the Queen of England, but that doesn't give him royal blood.

 

[techs]

I wonder if the producers planned on the Ward twist from the beginning or if they saw the first episodes and decided that they wanted to reduce the actors part? I hope they don't plan on Ward getting redemption and returning to the team.

I also don't see how Coulson is going to rebuild Shield while still maintaining his current role as leader of the team. Perhaps they plan on Coulson sending the agents out on missions while he stays at headquarters?

I agree that the show improved as the season went on. A lot of shows do this, but they are already cancelled by the time the improved episodes show. The movie tie-ins are probably what saved the show since if it had existed outside the Marvel universe it would have been cancelled.

 

[smackababy]

I wonder if the producers planned on the Ward twist from the beginning or if they saw the first episodes and decided that they wanted to reduce the actors part? I hope they don't plan on Ward getting redemption and returning to the team.

I also don't see how Coulson is going to rebuild Shield while still maintaining his current role as leader of the team. Perhaps they plan on Coulson sending the agents out on missions while he stays at headquarters?

Charlies Angels style? That just wouldn't work, as Coulson pretty much carries the show.

I agree that the show improved as the season went on. A lot of shows do this, but they are already cancelled by the time the improved episodes show. The movie tie-ins are probably what saved the show since if it had existed outside the Marvel universe it would have been cancelled.

I completely agree that if this wasn't tied to the Marvel Universe, it would have been cancelled long before the season finale.

 

[james1701]

I wonder what they are going to do with the Wonder Twins. Leave one with brain damage, or get them back together, or kill her off, and then have him come back with a tortured soul to mope around the rest of next season. Those two are almost as redundant as the other two.

 

[BoomerD]

I have to agree with most of you on several points.

1. the acting and script writing are terrible.
2. The characters are indeed "cardboard cut-out like" and not very well done.
3. The show is still fun to watch and I will continue doing so.

I also suspect that Ward will be back in the fold, somehow overcoming the "Hydra connection," perhaps by being a Fury plant in the Hydra organization...
As for the geek twins...I think Fitz will be fine...perhaps a dose of the magic Alien Blood serum will be synthesized from the data so far collected...

 

[02ranger]

I have to agree with most of you on several points.

1. the acting and script writing are terrible.
2. The characters are indeed "cardboard cut-out like" and not very well done.
3. The show is still fun to watch and I will continue doing so.

I also suspect that Ward will be back in the fold, somehow overcoming the "Hydra connection," perhaps by being a Fury plant in the Hydra organization...
As for the geek twins...I think Fitz will be fine...perhaps a dose of the magic Alien Blood serum will be synthesized from the data so far collected...

The only problem with Ward coming back to the fold that I see is that he's too far gone. If he was just working for Hydra it'd be one thing, but he's killed a ton of innocent people since being revealed, and left Fitz and Simmons for dead. I just think they've taken him too far to the evil side to be able to believably redeem him. Of course that doesn't mean they won't try, but I don't see it working very well for most viewers.

 

[Fritzo]

The only problem with Ward coming back to the fold that I see is that he's too far gone. If he was just working for Hydra it'd be one thing, but he's killed a ton of innocent people since being revealed, and left Fitz and Simmons for dead. I just think they've taken him too far to the evil side to be able to believably redeem him. Of course that doesn't mean they won't try, but I don't see it working very well for most viewers.

Yeah...he killed top level agents. No way he'll be trusted again. I think they'll face him from time to time and Ward will stop short of killing his former friends because he still cares about them.

 

[02ranger]

Yeah...he killed top level agents. No way he'll be trusted again. I think they'll face him from time to time and Ward will stop short of killing his former friends because he still cares about them.

My thoughts as well. I wonder, like others have said, if they planned his betrayal from the start of the show or not. I really never saw any hints before he shot Hand, so it seemed to come out of nowhere. Especially since I got the impression from the start that he was the main character (at least as main as you get with an ensemble cast), mostly because he was the person we were introduced to the TV show with. Obviously Skye filled that role as well, and maybe better than Ward. I will say it's been a long time since I watched the pilot, so I might be misremembering how much emphasis was really placed on him.

 

[techs]

My thoughts as well. I wonder, like others have said, if they planned his betrayal from the start of the show or not. I really never saw any hints before he shot Hand, so it seemed to come out of nowhere. Especially since I got the impression from the start that he was the main character (at least as main as you get with an ensemble cast), mostly because he was the person we were introduced to the TV show with. Obviously Skye filled that role as well, and maybe better than Ward. I will say it's been a long time since I watched the pilot, so I might be misremembering how much emphasis was really placed on him.

I can't remember even one hint that he might not be what he seemed, up until the episode where he shot the supposed clairvoyant, and even then it was presented as showing how much he cared for his team. So, I have to go with the idea that his being Hydra was decided well into the shooting schedule when to suddenly have him do something out of character would have started speculation and taken away from the shock value.

 

[02ranger]

I can't remember even one hint that he might not be what he seemed, up until the episode where he shot the supposed clairvoyant, and even then it was presented as showing how much he cared for his team. So, I have to go with the idea that his being Hydra was decided well into the shooting schedule when to suddenly have him do something out of character would have started speculation and taken away from the shock value.

I forgot about the clairvoyant shooting, that was the first time I thought something was off as well. I don't really hate the Ward twist, but I do think it could've been so much better if there'd been some foreshadowing. There really wasn't even any reason to suspect anybody was a traitor on the team until then. If they'd left some subtle clues that somehow information was getting off the plane earlier it would've helped I think. I'll probably rewatch the season sometime this summer, though, and maybe on a rewatch I'll see some things that we just missed.

 

[techs]

I wonder if Jason Momoa is available?

 

[JujuFish]

The show started out as a 13 episode order before getting upped to 22, right? Perhaps they weren't originally planning on the Ward plot.

 

[02ranger]

I wonder if Jason Momoa is available?

Um, whadaya mean?

The show started out as a 13 episode order before getting upped to 22, right? Perhaps they weren't originally planning on the Ward plot.

Yep, it did. I just checked.

 

[techs]

Um, whadaya mean?



Yep, it did. I just checked.

Momoa replaced Rainbow Sun Francks on Atlantis and after leaving Game of Thrones I thought he might make a good replacement for Ward. Someone who can match up with Mays fighting skills.

As to a 13 episode order, I am surprised Marvel couldn't get a commitment for a full season upfront considering how popular the movies are. Hopefully Wards exit and and the new base with Patton Oswalt shows the producers realize they need to retool. Many shows improve remarkably if they make it past the first season and if the producers are willing to see and act on a shows faults.

 

[ViRGE]

The show started out as a 13 episode order before getting upped to 22, right? Perhaps they weren't originally planning on the Ward plot.

Keep in mind that you either get your back season order or you get canceled. There was no possibility of it being 13 episodes for a season as a continuing series. It's the front/back ordering system, which is common for shows in their first season.

 

[JujuFish]

Perhaps, but Sleepy Hollow was a 13 episode series that was renewed.

 

[ViRGE]

Perhaps, but Sleepy Hollow was a 13 episode series that was renewed.

Sleepy Hollow was only meant to run 13 episodes though. The point I'm going for is that AoS was meant to have a 22-23 episode season the entire time; except that as a new series ABC only ordered an initial 13 episodes in case it bombed.

 

[BoomerD]

The only problem with Ward coming back to the fold that I see is that he's too far gone. If he was just working for Hydra it'd be one thing, but he's killed a ton of innocent people since being revealed, and left Fitz and Simmons for dead. I just think they've taken him too far to the evil side to be able to believably redeem him. Of course that doesn't mean they won't try, but I don't see it working very well for most viewers.

But remember...Ward was supposed to kill the geek twins...instead, he jettisoned the "lifeboat" to give them a chance of survival...(at least that's the way I saw it) He let his "emotion" get in the way of being a truly evil Hydra agent.

He has been too much an integral part of the show to leave him on the dark side.