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Agenda For The Democ-rats

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wiin

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Things democ-rats will do, among others:
1. "Justice for the Unprotected against Sexually Transmitted Infections among the Confined and Exposed Act (JUSTICE) Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 6083. Requires community organizations to be allowed to distribute sexual barrier protection devices (e.g. condoms) in federal prisons. Also prohibits a federal prison from taking adverse action against a prisoner who possesses or uses a sexual barrier protection device."

Your tax will be raised to fund this.

2. "Freedom of Choice Act (Nadler, D-NY)?H.R. 5151. Creates a right to unrestricted pre-viability abortions, and late terms abortions for the life and health of the mother."

Your bonus for putting them in power.

3. "Gas Stamp Act (McDermott, D-WA)?H.R. 3712. Creates billions of dollars in gas stamps each year for people to get free gas, to be distributed to those already eligible for food stamps."

Your tax going up. Make sure you have a second job.

4. "Ex-Offenders Voting Rights Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 663. Allows those convicts who are just out of prison to vote."

They will finally be able to win elections without a recount or going to court.

5. "Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Kucinich, D-OH)?H.R. 3760. Establishes a U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence, as well as a Peace Day. The department would promote ?human rights,? international conflict prevention, nonviolent intervention, structured mediation, and peaceful conflict resolution."

Did this already during the eight years democ-rats was in control. The result was 9/11.

6. "National Health Insurance Act (Dingell, D-MI)?H.R. 15. Institutes a new 5% value-added tax on property and services and creates a board to oversee payment to any individual for medical services not covered by Medicare."

Raise your taxes again. Now you gonna need a third, if not a fourth job just to get by..


7. "A Living Wage, Jobs for All Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 1050. Builds on and strengthens FDR?s ?Economic Bill of Rights,? creating rights to ?decent? jobs, income for individuals unable to work, a ?decent? living for farmers, freedom from monopolies, ?decent? housing, ?adequate? health care, Social Security, education, work training, collective bargaining, a safe working environment, information on trends in pollution sources and products and processes that affect the well-being of workers throughout the world, voting, and personal security. The bill also requires the Attorney General to create a registry of all corporations convicted of violating state or federal law."

This sounds really good.


8. "Universal National Service Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 4752. Makes it an obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the U.S., between the ages of 18 and 42, to perform a two-year period of national service, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense."

The DRAFT.


9. "Media Ownership Reform Act (Hinchey, D-NY)?H.R. 3302. Restricts ownership of radio and television stations, forcing some owners to divest their holdings, and regulates broadcast content."

Censorship and do it to our liking or you will be out of business. Forget the loss of jobs associated with the demise of your business.


"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of all citizens of the United States to a public education of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 29. Creates a constitutional right to equal public education.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of citizens of the United States to health care of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 30. Creates a constitutional right to equal health care.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to decent, safe, sanitary, and affordable housing (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 32 and Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to a home (Rangel, D-NY)?H.J.Res 40. Creates a constitutional right to housing.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to full employment and balanced growth (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 35. Creates a constitutional right to full employment."

Anybody care to explain what these means? So many "rights" to something without any plan to carry it out. Sounds to me like more taxes out of the pocket of the middle class.
Whatever happens to socking it to the rich?









 
Well... either you are going to be flamed to death for this, or they will just ignore this post and continue on with their bash Bush ways.
hmmm let me flip a coin
 
Many of these sound attractive to me, but I'm not really interested in responding to such a flagrant troll. Take your "democ-rats" (one of the least clever partisan slaps I've ever heard, BTW) back under the bridge.
 
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I'd love to comment if only there were a link to the source - or are you afraid, OP?
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It isn't too terribly difficult to look up the draft of a bill by its number.
 
What's the issue with allowing ex-felons to vote? They served their time, are they less of a citizen? Do they have less rights? I would hope that a person found not fit to vote because of his 'skewed outlook' would not be deemed safe enough to be let back into society.

Nevermind the fact that certain counts of marijuana possession will get you a felony and lifetime loss of voting rights in places like Florida. I'd be all for, say, rapists and murderers losing their right to vote forever, but simply labeling all ex-felons as less than citizens is irresponsible, and I would think unconstitutional.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I'd love to comment if only there were a link to the source - or are you afraid, OP?
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It isn't too terribly difficult to look up the draft of a bill by its number.
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I'm still waiting for you in the MJF thread....


as for the OP - what source are you posting this from?
 
Originally posted by: wiin
"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of all citizens of the United States to a public education of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 29. Creates a constitutional right to equal public education.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of citizens of the United States to health care of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 30. Creates a constitutional right to equal health care.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to decent, safe, sanitary, and affordable housing (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 32 and Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to a home (Rangel, D-NY)?H.J.Res 40. Creates a constitutional right to housing.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to full employment and balanced growth (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 35. Creates a constitutional right to full employment."

Anybody care to explain what these means? So many "rights" to something without any plan to carry it out. Sounds to me like more taxes out of the pocket of the middle class.
Whatever happens to socking it to the rich?
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That is called socialism. No way to sugar coat that.
And yeah... I'd love to see a link too.
 
Originally posted by: Aisengard
What's the issue with allowing ex-felons to vote? They served their time, are they less of a citizen? Do they have less rights? I would hope that a person found not fit to vote because of his 'skewed outlook' would not be deemed safe enough to be let back into society.

Nevermind the fact that certain counts of marijuana possession will get you a felony and lifetime loss of voting rights in places like Florida. I'd be all for, say, rapists and murderers losing their right to vote forever, but simply labeling all ex-felons as less than citizens is irresponsible, and I would think unconstitutional.
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All but a handful of states do allow convicted felons to vote, once they've served their sentences. This is a common misapprehension among the public. All this legislation would do, if passed, is nationalize that practice.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
All but a handful of states do allow convicted felons to vote, once they've served their sentences. This is a common misapprehension among the public. All this legislation would do, if passed, is nationalize that practice.
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Here in Iowa you need to receive a pardon from the Governor to vote again. I'm sure it varies from state to state.
 
As much as I might personally feel like I'm wasting my time responding to someone who thinks it's clever to use the word "Democ-rats", I think this still bears responding to. The ever present ranting about "raising taxes" is not really appropriate. In the first place, spending huge amounts of money on government programs does NOT mean taxes have to go up...many years of Republican rule have (apparently) proven that money is largely imaginary and you can spend as much as you want without having to actually bring in an equal amount. If Republicans can spend money the government doesn't have without raising your taxes (and even cutting taxes for Paris Hilton) I don't see why the Dems can't do the same thing. But in the second place, cherry-picking individual bills doesn't really convey the big picture very well. The Republicans waste a TON of the budget on corporate welfare and other things like that, a lot of the Democratic ideas are to take that money and spend it on something that is actually needed. Kickbacks to oil buddies is all great, but I think poor people who can't afford health care need government help just a LITTLE bit more. Net result? Budgets don't go up, but the money is spent on things that are actually worthwhile.

As far as the whole "peace day" thing...it sounds a little fruity, but unlike the black and white, linear thinkers on the right, I can see how it is both possible to support forceful action when necessary and peaceful action when possible. While I'll be the first to admit that some situations require the boys and girls with the guns, there are a lot of situations where this is not the case at all...something Republicans seem to have forgot. Common wisdom suggests violence should be the last resort, don't discount it entirely, but use it when every other option has failed. Thanks largely to the foreign policy we've been subjected to the last several years, we literally have no other options...violence is the FIRST resort, and often the only option even considered. This is just as foolish a way to approach the world as thinking that violence is NEVER a good solution. You'll note that Kucinich's idea does NOT suggest such an organization will replace the Department of Defense or any other such foolishness, yet you are STILL opposed to it, as I imagine virtually every other "conservative" would be. That's not a good thing for our country. When any option is rejected because it doesn't embrace violence as the first and last options to solving increasingly complex foreign issues, that represents a real threat to the safety of our country. And quite frankly, I'm not sure we can afford that just now. For every German invasion of Poland, there is a Cuban missile crisis, and the Republicans are about as useless in dealing with half of those issues as 60's hippies are in dealing with the other half. Republicans have made the fatal error of confusing action movie bullshit with reasonable and strong foreign policy that considers all possible solutions. And while the Democrats don't seem to go for landing on aircraft carriers with stuffed cod-pieces, I think they take a far more realistic approach to the world...they seem to understand that HAVING a big stick doesn't mean you need to go around hitting everyone with it all the time. "Speak softly and carry a big stick" is really TWO pieces of advice, if the Republicans have forgotten, it's clear to me that the Dems haven't.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
"Speak softly and carry a big stick" is really TWO pieces of advice, if the Republicans have forgotten, it's clear to me that the Dems haven't.
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Interesting point. The problem with that is, Democrats don't believe in the 'Big Stick'. There goes that theory.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: DonVito
All but a handful of states do allow convicted felons to vote, once they've served their sentences. This is a common misapprehension among the public. All this legislation would do, if passed, is nationalize that practice.
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Here in Iowa you need to receive a pardon from the Governor to vote again. I'm sure it varies from state to state.
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That law is still on the books in Iowa (one of only 4 states with this prohibition as I recall), but in the summer of 2005 your governor, by executive order, reinstated the right to vote for all convicted felons in Iowa who had completed the terms of their release (i.e., parole or probation).
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Things democ-rats will do, among others:
1. "Justice for the Unprotected against Sexually Transmitted Infections among the Confined and Exposed Act (JUSTICE) Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 6083. Requires community organizations to be allowed to distribute sexual barrier protection devices (e.g. condoms) in federal prisons. Also prohibits a federal prison from taking adverse action against a prisoner who possesses or uses a sexual barrier protection device."

Your tax will be raised to fund this.
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No, they won't. The cost savings of treating STD's will more than offset the cost of condoms. This will give taxpayers a break.
2. "Freedom of Choice Act (Nadler, D-NY)?H.R. 5151. Creates a right to unrestricted pre-viability abortions, and late terms abortions for the life and health of the mother."

Your bonus for putting them in power.
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Yep, if you are a woman whose life may be endangered if you carry a fetus to term, your "bonus" for putting democrats in power is your life.
3. "Gas Stamp Act (McDermott, D-WA)?H.R. 3712. Creates billions of dollars in gas stamps each year for people to get free gas, to be distributed to those already eligible for food stamps."

Your tax going up. Make sure you have a second job.
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McDermott is not mainstream democrat, and this is not Democrat agenda, since it is a hidden subsidy for oil companies.
4. "Ex-Offenders Voting Rights Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 663. Allows those convicts who are just out of prison to vote."

They will finally be able to win elections without a recount or going to court.
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And GOP won't be able to disenfranchise people for victimless crimes. Too bad.
5. "Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Kucinich, D-OH)?H.R. 3760. Establishes a U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence, as well as a Peace Day. The department would promote ?human rights,? international conflict prevention, nonviolent intervention, structured mediation, and peaceful conflict resolution."

Did this already during the eight years democ-rats was in control. The result was 9/11.
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Of course under Clinton, GOP was criticizing him for starting too many wars, because it distracted them from their number one concern, his penis.
And Kucinich is far out of the Democrat mainstream, as evidenced by his presidential bid.
6. "National Health Insurance Act (Dingell, D-MI)?H.R. 15. Institutes a new 5% value-added tax on property and services and creates a board to oversee payment to any individual for medical services not covered by Medicare."

Raise your taxes again. Now you gonna need a third, if not a fourth job just to get by..
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No Democrat can expand Medicare as much as GOP has done with its boondoggle.
Of course GOP will put it on the credit card and pass the buck as usual.
7. "A Living Wage, Jobs for All Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 1050. Builds on and strengthens FDR?s ?Economic Bill of Rights,? creating rights to ?decent? jobs, income for individuals unable to work, a ?decent? living for farmers, freedom from monopolies, ?decent? housing, ?adequate? health care, Social Security, education, work training, collective bargaining, a safe working environment, information on trends in pollution sources and products and processes that affect the well-being of workers throughout the world, voting, and personal security. The bill also requires the Attorney General to create a registry of all corporations convicted of violating state or federal law."

This sounds really good.
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Barara Lee's agenda is not Democrat agenda
8. "Universal National Service Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 4752. Makes it an obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the U.S., between the ages of 18 and 42, to perform a two-year period of national service, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense."

The DRAFT.
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The only way we are going to have a draft is if we don't stop GOP from getting us involved in more wars.
Rangel's bill is not Democrat agenda, it was killed by Democrats.
9. "Media Ownership Reform Act (Hinchey, D-NY)?H.R. 3302. Restricts ownership of radio and television stations, forcing some owners to divest their holdings, and regulates broadcast content."

Censorship and do it to our liking or you will be out of business. Forget the loss of jobs associated with the demise of your business.
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Good, not allowing a single company to control all the media in a community is not censorship, it's the opposite.
Plus competition creates jobs. Need two sets of management, sales, IT, etc.
There is a reason companies want to consolidate, and that is so they can fire people and save money.
"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of all citizens of the United States to a public education of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 29. Creates a constitutional right to equal public education.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of citizens of the United States to health care of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 30. Creates a constitutional right to equal health care.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to decent, safe, sanitary, and affordable housing (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 32 and Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to a home (Rangel, D-NY)?H.J.Res 40. Creates a constitutional right to housing.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to full employment and balanced growth (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 35. Creates a constitutional right to full employment."

Anybody care to explain what these means? So many "rights" to something without any plan to carry it out. Sounds to me like more taxes out of the pocket of the middle class.
Whatever happens to socking it to the rich?
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I must not have gotten the memo that Jackson's agenda is the Democrat agenda. So basically you have nothing.

The reality is that GOP is going to lose the House in 2006
the Democrats will get investigative and subpoena power, meaning more GOP corruption will be exposed in the next two years, meaning that GOP will lose the Senate and Presidency in 2008
I don't blame you for being desperate, everything is on the line in 2006, and you have no leg to stand on.
 
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I'd love to comment if only there were a link to the source - or are you afraid, OP?
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Man you guys are lazy. Just google the bill number.
 
nah, the construct of your post is far too focused on one group... So what site or e-mail did it come from...

EMAIL: O MY GOD - DEMOCRATS ATTACK - PASS IT ON!!!
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
"Speak softly and carry a big stick" is really TWO pieces of advice, if the Republicans have forgotten, it's clear to me that the Dems haven't.
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Interesting point. The problem with that is, Democrats don't believe in the 'Big Stick'. There goes that theory.
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Ah, but they do. I have seen NO congressional democrats (and few liberals and/or Dems in general) suggest what we need to do is give up the actual "war" part of the war on terror entirely and try using flowers and sunshine to solve all our problems. That is a mischaracterization and/or misunderstanding by you folks, mainly because you are unable to see the difference between "maybe we should try something OTHER than violence" and "maybe we should never use violence ever again for any reason". That's why I like the Dems, they have a balanced approach to the issues surrounding national security, they aren't afraid of violence when NECESSARY, but they also don't try and apply it to every problem or apply it randomly when they can't think of anything else to do. Violence is a perfectly reasonable solution to some problems, but the application still has to be controlled and well thought out.
 
Right, Rainsford. The way that the cult members keep the facts away is with the lies about the 'enemy', the democrats. As long as they figure the democrats would award medals to bin Laden, it saves them from having to ask the hard questions about how the democrats are better than their party.

It's the old 'demonize the enemy' thing all over. Happens in war; happened with the 'babies stolen form incubators' to get the public behind the first gulf war they were against, etc.

As for this list, it's misleading propaganda. You could take the most extreme bills any republicans want to introduce and make a lot worse list about "the republican agenda if they get re-elected!!!!!11!!1!"

It's not even worth bothering addressing the actual bills, since the post is so misleading. They might be great bills.
 
When you start a thread with the title "Democ-RATS" don't be surprised that most of the members on this board (which is made up of mostly liberals and moderates) ignore you. If you want to be taken seriously change your thread title moron.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well... either you are going to be flamed to death for this, or they will just ignore this post and continue on with their bash Bush ways.
hmmm let me flip a coin
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Why? I would fully support some of those. You guys are tax and spend and blow it on killing people. What's wrong with buying a few pallets of condoms. 😛
Anyway, carry on!
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Things democ-rats will do, among others:
1. "Justice for the Unprotected against Sexually Transmitted Infections among the Confined and Exposed Act (JUSTICE) Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 6083. Requires community organizations to be allowed to distribute sexual barrier protection devices (e.g. condoms) in federal prisons. Also prohibits a federal prison from taking adverse action against a prisoner who possesses or uses a sexual barrier protection device."

Welfare for sluts.

2. "Freedom of Choice Act (Nadler, D-NY)?H.R. 5151. Creates a right to unrestricted pre-viability abortions, and late terms abortions for the life and health of the mother."

Don't care.

3. "Gas Stamp Act (McDermott, D-WA)?H.R. 3712. Creates billions of dollars in gas stamps each year for people to get free gas, to be distributed to those already eligible for food stamps."

More welfare.

4. "Ex-Offenders Voting Rights Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 663. Allows those convicts who are just out of prison to vote."

Nothing wrong with that.

5. "Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Kucinich, D-OH)?H.R. 3760. Establishes a U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence, as well as a Peace Day. The department would promote ?human rights,? international conflict prevention, nonviolent intervention, structured mediation, and peaceful conflict resolution."

Another U.S. Department we don't need.

6. "National Health Insurance Act (Dingell, D-MI)?H.R. 15. Institutes a new 5% value-added tax on property and services and creates a board to oversee payment to any individual for medical services not covered by Medicare."

More taxes.

7. "A Living Wage, Jobs for All Act (Lee, D-CA)?H.R. 1050. Builds on and strengthens FDR?s ?Economic Bill of Rights,? creating rights to ?decent? jobs, income for individuals unable to work, a ?decent? living for farmers, freedom from monopolies, ?decent? housing, ?adequate? health care, Social Security, education, work training, collective bargaining, a safe working environment, information on trends in pollution sources and products and processes that affect the well-being of workers throughout the world, voting, and personal security. The bill also requires the Attorney General to create a registry of all corporations convicted of violating state or federal law."

I'd like to see small businesses somehow survive this.

8. "Universal National Service Act (Rangel, D-NY)?H.R. 4752. Makes it an obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the U.S., between the ages of 18 and 42, to perform a two-year period of national service, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense."

Terrible idea.

9. "Media Ownership Reform Act (Hinchey, D-NY)?H.R. 3302. Restricts ownership of radio and television stations, forcing some owners to divest their holdings, and regulates broadcast content."

Censorship?

"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of all citizens of the United States to a public education of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 29. Creates a constitutional right to equal public education.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of citizens of the United States to health care of equal high quality (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 30. Creates a constitutional right to equal health care.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to decent, safe, sanitary, and affordable housing (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 32 and Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to a home (Rangel, D-NY)?H.J.Res 40. Creates a constitutional right to housing.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States respecting the right to full employment and balanced growth (Jackson, D-IL)?H.J.Res. 35. Creates a constitutional right to full employment."

OMG. Socialism FTL.
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most worthless thread in P&N history?

you can't define the democratic agenda by cherry picking a few resolutions that were voted down.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well... either you are going to be flamed to death for this, or they will just ignore this post and continue on with their bash Bush ways.
hmmm let me flip a coin
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don't paint it as a liberal/conservative thing. you'd be flaming him just as hard if he posted a link to the bridge to nowhere and said that it exemplified the core beliefs and values of conservatives across the nation.
 
Oh God, not a Department of Peace and Nonviolence. Shoot me now so I won't be left without a gun after the Democrats come and take it away.

BTW, these kinds of "examples" of what will happen if the Democrats win the house isn't exactly going to get moderates to your side. It's pretty sad if these are the most extreme examples you could come up with. I think if people had a choice of $255 million a day for the Iraq war, or education and housing for all Americans, most would go for education and housing.
 
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