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After Supporting Prop 8, New CEO Brendan Eich Comes Under Fire From Mozilla Employees

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jpeyton said:
Again, it should be mentioned that conservatives don't have much ammunition in the tech arena. This isn't some protest over A&E or Duck Dynasty, or fried chicken joints.

So in that regard, it damaged the LGBT community very little. History will show that conservatives were fundamentally wrong in their opposition to gay marriage, and Eich getting forced out will be a footnote on the failure of Prop 8 and the entire anti-gay-marriage movement.
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I'm not talking about conservative leverage in the tech industry. I'm talking about conservatives being able to point to this incident and use it to say, "Hey, look at how hypocritical these liberals are! They are the ones who are intolerant!" I'm talking about this being used to paint the picture of LGBT not as the oppressed, but as the oppressor. Not as the victim, but as the aggressor. I'm talking about this harming goodwill and credibility. This is a "hearts and minds" war, and a holding a witch hunt and stepping off that moral high ground isn't the way to win such a war. Look at how the invasion of Iraq constantly gets brought up every time the US is involved in something overseas, even with issues where we are in the right.
 
jpeyton said:
I'm laughing a little that conservatives think they can "protest" Mozilla. I don't think most even know anything about the organization beyond Firefox, if they know that much.
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Well, yea. The fact that many are blaming Mozilla makes it obvious that most don't know the basic facts surrounding all this.
 
eskimospy said:
I would say that the most Christian thing someone can do is allow others to find love and live their lives in the way that they want. Needless to say, many of the biggest supporters of same sex marriage I know are quite religious.
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Actually, no. A civil society cannot allow people to "live their lives in the way that they want" -- that would be the most ignorant thing to do.

That's why we have that little pesky thing called "laws".
 
michal1980 said:
Liberal bigots defending liberal bigots. Who would have guessed
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absolutely, what a load of crap that article was, going on and on about how "different" Mozilla is because they don't pay engineers and developers competitive wages so they can simply work on "bettering" the world with a substandard browser as their most notable product.
 
Keep electing leftist/progressives and the next step may be federal hearings with scores of people called in from all walks of life. I can hear the key question: Are you now or have you ever been an opponent of same sex marriage?
 
This whole thread has been really illuminating/funny. Whenever you talk about the civil rights act or public accommodation laws, conservatives frequently talk about how they are unnecessary: the free market will eliminate bigoted businesses, etc. That is EXACTLY what happened here.

Next time there is a civil rights thread I don't want to hear any of this nonsense about private scorn being enough to stop bigoted businesses. You have made it clear that the only outcome you are okay with is for people to be bigoted with no consequences.
 
^ LOL! More spin from the king of spin.

This had nothing to do with any "bigoted business", just a bunch of totalitarians that don't like someone's personal political view.

The blazing irony is how you prove Boomerang's previous point... that's exactly the kind of spin to be used in this new and improved blacklisting.
 
eskimospy said:
This whole thread has been really illuminating/funny. Whenever you talk about the civil rights act or public accommodation laws, conservatives frequently talk about how they are unnecessary: the free market will eliminate bigoted businesses, etc. That is EXACTLY what happened here.

Next time there is a civil rights thread I don't want to hear any of this nonsense about private scorn being enough to stop bigoted businesses. You have made it clear that the only outcome you are okay with is for people to be bigoted with no consequences.
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:thumbsup:
 
I didn't read this thread.

Was this another case of bigots getting incensed that people are intolerant of their intolerance again?
 
Retro Rob said:
Actually, no. A civil society cannot allow people to "live their lives in the way that they want" -- that would be the most ignorant thing to do.

That's why we have that little pesky thing called "laws".
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If there's some religious laws you feel should be enforced, I'm fine with using the government to enforce them on yourself. Do we need to send a swat team to prevent you from getting same sex married?

The rest of us will continue to live by secular laws as our founding fathers intended. ()🙂
 
Zaap said:
^ LOL! More spin from the king of spin.

This had nothing to do with any "bigoted business", just a bunch of totalitarians that don't like someone's personal political view.

The blazing irony is how you prove Boomerang's previous point... that's exactly the kind of spin to be used in this new and improved blacklisting.
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Haha, you guys will really do anything to not have to confront uncomfortable thoughts.
 
Zaap said:
^ LOL! More spin from the king of spin.

This had nothing to do with any "bigoted business", just a bunch of totalitarians that don't like someone's personal political view.
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So the people who WAN'T to keep church/state separate are the totalitarians?

That's an interesting viewpoint.

Eich's political views were fine when they were personal. When he made a donation to write his bigoted personal views into public law, he screwed himself.
 
jpeyton said:
So the people who WAN'T to keep church/state separate are the totalitarians?

That's an interesting viewpoint.
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Now we're twisting this into a seperation of church state issue? That's a twist. So where's everyone's protection from people who worship the state?

Eich's political views were fine when they were personal. When he made a donation to write his bigoted personal views into public law, he screwed himself.
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I'm curious who died and crowned you thought police chief and "correct" political donation dictator?
 
Zaap said:
So where's everyone's protection from people who worship the state?
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What protection do they need, exactly? Maybe it's already afforded to them.

I'm curious who died and crowned you thought police chief and "correct" political donation dictator?
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Pick a side on the topic of gay marriage. That's step one, before we dive any deeper.
 
jpeyton said:
What protection do they need, exactly? Maybe it's already afforded to them.
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You mean the way you've *never* in your wildest fantasies of persecution come even the slightest bit close to anyone creating a state run religion that you're forced to subcribe to?


Pick a side on the topic of gay marriage. That's step one, before we dive any deeper.
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Is that your equivalent of: "Are you now or have you ever been an opponent of same sex marriage?"

I've already given my view on marriage. And freedom, which other people have weather you, I or anyone else agrees with everything they do or not. Some people seem to have a hard time understanding that.

This goes beyond the topic of marriage (or any other single issue) and into the realm of a new blacklist that totalitarian-minded people wish to create based on ruining people's careers for not having a "correct" political view.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Not a day goes by without texashiker thinking hard on(pun intended) male specific gay sex.
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You're WAY too dumb to ever realize this post says a lot more about you than it does TH.

I know you completely lack self-awareness but maybe try keeping your weird projected fantasies to yourself.
 
eskimospy said:
This whole thread has been really illuminating/funny. Whenever you talk about the civil rights act or public accommodation laws, conservatives frequently talk about how they are unnecessary: the free market will eliminate bigoted businesses, etc. That is EXACTLY what happened here.
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You appear to completely fail to understand the point of what Republicans are saying.

Republicans are saying that public accommodation laws are unnecessary because a restaurant say that refuse to serve lunch to black people would be boycotted and go out of business.

Mozilla committed no bigoted act and therefore was undeserving of being boycotted.

eskimospy said:
Next time there is a civil rights thread I don't want to hear any of this nonsense about private scorn being enough to stop bigoted businesses. You have made it clear that the only outcome you are okay with is for people to be bigoted with no consequences.
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No, what we are saying is the people shouldn't be fired for their own personal beliefs, which is different from how they run their business.
 
nehalem256 said:
You appear to completely fail to understand the point of what Republicans are saying.

Republicans are saying that public accommodation laws are unnecessary because a restaurant say that refuse to serve lunch to black people would be boycotted and go out of business.

Mozilla committed no bigoted act and therefore was undeserving of being boycotted.



No, what we are saying is the people shouldn't be fired for their own personal beliefs, which is different from how they run their business.
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Good to see you think " at will" employment is bullshit too.

With this and your desire to give taxpayer funded free voter IDs to single minority mothers to vote democrat, you really are coming around! :thumbsup:
 
Zaap said:
Is that your equivalent of: "Are you now or have you ever been an opponent of same sex marriage?"
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Well yes, sort of. I don't care what your views used to be, because you're just some random guy on the internet. But if you are currently an opponent of same sex marriage, any discussion I participate in would have a completely different set of expectations (very low ones).

If you can't understand that giving same sex couples the right to marry is an essential equality we must grant, you probably can't understand a lot of things (simple and complex).
 
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