Affirmative action is outdated and bullcrap

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BudAshes
You just have no concept of how fucked up things have been here in this free nation. Mass racism doesn't disappear overnight, so I think the affirmative action laws can stick around a little longer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You have no concept of how free this country is.

I realize how free it is, i also realize how stupid, petty and racist a lot of people still are.

Here's the rub though. I agree that practices should be in place to prevent discrimination in hiring. However, I don't think making racial quotas does anything to solve the problems with petty and racist people. Nor does it help minorities when people look at them and dismiss their accomplishments simply because of affirmative action.

I'm the father of two mixed-race kids. I don't look at them as black or white but I know that there will be people that look at them as being black. I want them to make it based on their own merits be it academic, sports, or otherwise. I want them to have that feeling of achieving something because they earned it. Not because they had it handed to them. You know, kind of like Dr. King's speech.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BudAshes
You just have no concept of how fucked up things have been here in this free nation. Mass racism doesn't disappear overnight, so I think the affirmative action laws can stick around a little longer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You have no concept of how free this country is.

I realize how free it is, i also realize how stupid, petty and racist a lot of people still are.

Here's the rub though. I agree that practices should be in place to prevent discrimination in hiring. However, I don't think making racial quotas does anything to solve the problems with petty and racist people. Nor does it help minorities when people look at them and dismiss their accomplishments simply because of affirmative action.

I'm the father of two mixed-race kids. I don't look at them as black or white but I know that there will be people that look at them as being black. I want them to make it based on their own merits be it academic, sports, or otherwise. I want them to have that feeling of achieving something because they earned it. Not because they had it handed to them. You know, kind of like Dr. King's speech.

when asked to check what race they are on college apps will they choose not answer or check that they are african-american?

 

[pstylesss]

I have a friend who was just accepted to a college. She is about as white as you can get, but she put down that she was mexican... because she is 1/2 mexican or 1/3 or something. She got an invite to a Latino American welcome to the college. We had a good laugh over it because it was then we knew exactly why she got in. I find it complete bullshit however.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BudAshes
You just have no concept of how fucked up things have been here in this free nation. Mass racism doesn't disappear overnight, so I think the affirmative action laws can stick around a little longer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You have no concept of how free this country is.

I realize how free it is, i also realize how stupid, petty and racist a lot of people still are.

Here's the rub though. I agree that practices should be in place to prevent discrimination in hiring. However, I don't think making racial quotas does anything to solve the problems with petty and racist people. Nor does it help minorities when people look at them and dismiss their accomplishments simply because of affirmative action.

I'm the father of two mixed-race kids. I don't look at them as black or white but I know that there will be people that look at them as being black. I want them to make it based on their own merits be it academic, sports, or otherwise. I want them to have that feeling of achieving something because they earned it. Not because they had it handed to them. You know, kind of like Dr. King's speech.

when asked to check what race they are on college apps will they choose not answer or check that they are african-american?

Heh. They are only 5 (almost 6) and 2 1/2 right now. Long ways away from that. Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll stop seeing those kinds of questions on applications altogether by then.....right? right?

 

[Baked]

No OP, you're a fricking idiot. Just 'cause your doctor's white or asian doesn't make them instantly better than all the other colored doctors. You don't graduate medical school and get a medical license just 'cause you're colored.

It's people like you at the state capital and DC who're taking all the funding away from education because you assume only colored people go to public schools and white people go to private schools, so who gives a fuck if you cut all the education funding and have 50 people class rooms from K-12.

BTW, P&N.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BudAshes
You just have no concept of how fucked up things have been here in this free nation. Mass racism doesn't disappear overnight, so I think the affirmative action laws can stick around a little longer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You have no concept of how free this country is.

I realize how free it is, i also realize how stupid, petty and racist a lot of people still are.

Here's the rub though. I agree that practices should be in place to prevent discrimination in hiring. However, I don't think making racial quotas does anything to solve the problems with petty and racist people. Nor does it help minorities when people look at them and dismiss their accomplishments simply because of affirmative action.

I'm the father of two mixed-race kids. I don't look at them as black or white but I know that there will be people that look at them as being black. I want them to make it based on their own merits be it academic, sports, or otherwise. I want them to have that feeling of achieving something because they earned it. Not because they had it handed to them. You know, kind of like Dr. King's speech.

when asked to check what race they are on college apps will they choose not answer or check that they are african-american?

Heh. They are only 5 (almost 6) and 2 1/2 right now. Long ways away from that. Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll stop seeing those kinds of questions on applications altogether by then.....right? right?

i dunno. i think if there is a chance of helping them out that anyone is going to check that box.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

its culture, plain and simple.

 

[Farang]

Do they actually check to make sure you're Mexican or Asian or whatever? I mean they'd have to check your parents and then your grandparents, and maybe even your great grandparents. As a white guy maybe I'll just start saying I'm Mexican.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

Not in my case and I know for a fact in many many other immigrants cases. When I came to the US 20+ years ago, I had a shirt, a pair of pants, sandals (not shoes), a plastic bag (note the singular and not a briefcase) and that's it. No money, nothing, nada. Same things for our family members. Mom and Dad were professionals but they did have to redo all the paperworks and relearn (certs overthere were not acceptable in the US).

We didn't make much money, had to live with friends/relatives to save money the first few years. We did ok so far. Stop blame others for all your problems is our motto.

Yes, racism is still alive and well, but what are you going to do about it? Do something to better yourself and fight it or blame it on whities and do nothing about it? Your choice.

 

[KK]

We need some AA in basketball.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BudAshes
You just have no concept of how fucked up things have been here in this free nation. Mass racism doesn't disappear overnight, so I think the affirmative action laws can stick around a little longer.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You have no concept of how free this country is.

I realize how free it is, i also realize how stupid, petty and racist a lot of people still are.

Here's the rub though. I agree that practices should be in place to prevent discrimination in hiring. However, I don't think making racial quotas does anything to solve the problems with petty and racist people. Nor does it help minorities when people look at them and dismiss their accomplishments simply because of affirmative action.

I'm the father of two mixed-race kids. I don't look at them as black or white but I know that there will be people that look at them as being black. I want them to make it based on their own merits be it academic, sports, or otherwise. I want them to have that feeling of achieving something because they earned it. Not because they had it handed to them. You know, kind of like Dr. King's speech.

when asked to check what race they are on college apps will they choose not answer or check that they are african-american?

Heh. They are only 5 (almost 6) and 2 1/2 right now. Long ways away from that. Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll stop seeing those kinds of questions on applications altogether by then.....right? right?

i dunno. i think if there is a chance of helping them out that anyone is going to check that box.

Yep. My wife and I have half-serious/half-joked about that. Do you take a principled stand and potentially hurt your son or daughter's chances at getting a scholarship or financial aid or even getting into the school of their choice? Or do you go with the flow and keep the status quo?

That's a question we haven't answered yet.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

Not in my case and I know for a fact in many many other immigrants cases. When I came to the US 20+ years ago, I had a shirt, a pair of pants, sandals (not shoes), a plastic bag (note the singular and not a briefcase) and that's it. No money, nothing, nada. Same things for our family members. Mom and Dad were professionals but they did have to redo all the paperworks and relearn (certs overthere were not acceptable in the US).

We didn't make much money, had to live with friends/relatives to save money the first few years. We did ok so far. Stop blame others for all your problems is our motto.

Yes, racism is still alive and well, but what are you going to do about it? Do something to better yourself and fight it or blame it on whities and do nothing about it? Your choice.

Exactly, you are the story of asian immigrants. But white guilt will trump common sense and fairness.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

that's horseshit. 50 years ago, when asians first moved in, they started restaurants, dry cleaners, and other small businesses

 

[theeedude]

Biased poll. Why are people voting yes not told to explain?

 

[Farang]

Lakota men living on reservation have a lifespan of 46 years. Just something to think about for those claiming all things are equal (enough) in America today.

 

[maziwanka]

it'll be revisited. o'connor put a time restriction in her opinion way back when.

 

[Mo0o]

I think the High School --> College transition could benefit from income-based AA because the disparity in the quality of public high schools is ridiculous. If colleges can see promise in a student that may not have done as well on paper but comes from a really crappy neighborhood and made the best out of the situation, he/she should be let in. But I think after college the playing field is more or less even so there shouldn't be AA of any kind.

Medical schools argue for some kind of AA because minority students are much more likely to establish practices in underserved areas.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

Not in my case and I know for a fact in many many other immigrants cases. When I came to the US 20+ years ago, I had a shirt, a pair of pants, sandals (not shoes), a plastic bag (note the singular and not a briefcase) and that's it. No money, nothing, nada. Same things for our family members. Mom and Dad were professionals but they did have to redo all the paperworks and relearn (certs overthere were not acceptable in the US).

We didn't make much money, had to live with friends/relatives to save money the first few years. We did ok so far. Stop blame others for all your problems is our motto.

Yes, racism is still alive and well, but what are you going to do about it? Do something to better yourself and fight it or blame it on whities and do nothing about it? Your choice.

Exactly, you are the story of asian immigrants. But white guilt will trump common sense and fairness.

You sound like Bill O'Reilly with all your catch phrases like white guilt, 2 wrongs don't make a right, etc. Are you in training to get a foxnews show?

 

[clamum]

I don't agree with it. It is almost like racism in itself in that it explicitly favors one race over another. It helps in cases where the person in charge of hiring or accepting you is racist, but at the expense of someone else that was more qualified than the person being helped by Affirmative Action. In that sort of case, it's a lose-lose situation (no AA screws the minority, with AA the more qualified person gets screwed). So where do you draw the line?

Do away with it and if anything, more strictly enforce non-discriminatory workplace hiring practices. I'm of the opinion that if you work hard enough for something, you'll get it.

BTW:

P&N <------------

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: xochi

First thing to tackle is making all schools (Public) on equal footing, educationally and financially.


After this simple thing is accomplished then AA wont be needed anymore.

:thumbsup:

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: xochi

First thing to tackle is making all schools (Public) on equal footing, educationally and financially.


After this simple thing is accomplished then AA wont be needed anymore.

:thumbsup:

Yeah that is a good point. I was thinking more of workplace scenarios, but perhaps the school issue is the root cause.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Farang
Lakota men living on reservation have a lifespan of 46 years. Just something to think about for those claiming all things are equal (enough) in America today.

Do they take care themselves (healthwise)? Do they go to the doctor for regular checkup?

Do they smoke cigarettes, drink liquors, eat fat foods, etc. excessively? Do they engage in any unhealthy behaviors?

Just something to think about.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla
For those of you that are for AA, let me ask you this.

Why immigrants, especially the Asians, did NOT need AA at all, yet they are doing fairly well?

The ones that were born here and need all the help, yet didn't do as well?

I know there are exceptions but maybe because something like Avis Rental Cars...they try harder??

<<<----------- is absolutely NOT white

I posed a similar question in P&N and apparently it's because all asian immigrants are doctors and professionals who enter into a system ready to embrace them and make six figures off the bat.

Not in my case and I know for a fact in many many other immigrants cases. When I came to the US 20+ years ago, I had a shirt, a pair of pants, sandals (not shoes), a plastic bag (note the singular and not a briefcase) and that's it. No money, nothing, nada. Same things for our family members. Mom and Dad were professionals but they did have to redo all the paperworks and relearn (certs overthere were not acceptable in the US).

We didn't make much money, had to live with friends/relatives to save money the first few years. We did ok so far. Stop blame others for all your problems is our motto.

Yes, racism is still alive and well, but what are you going to do about it? Do something to better yourself and fight it or blame it on whities and do nothing about it? Your choice.

Exactly, you are the story of asian immigrants. But white guilt will trump common sense and fairness.

You sound like Bill O'Reilly with all your catch phrases like white guilt, 2 wrongs don't make a right, etc. Are you in training to get a foxnews show?

So are you for AA? If so, can you answer my questions honestly?

 

[Dirigible]

Originally posted by: clamum


P&N <------------

Why is this in OT?