Advances in non-lethal defense make the 2nd amendment unnecessary

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, I am advocating in this thread that it should be amended to eliminate the 2nd amendment. That is consistent with the entire thread.

Good for you. It's not going to happen, but at least you are honest that you want to take away our rights. BTW, you've convinced me to vote for Romney because while I don't like the Reps, at least he's less likely to install judges who will attempt to subvert the Constitution for their "superior" morality.

 

[micrometers]

You're a clueless tool. I think even you have to know that.

Two weeks ago one of our Officers got called out to Walmart's loss prevention office. Someone tried to steal light bulbs. Long story short, the perp drew a gun, and our Officer shot and killed him. According to you, he should have used his pepper spray. Ever hear of not bringing a knife to a gun fight?

Even if all Police Officer's used only pepper spray and tasers, do you really think the bad guys would do the same? Our tasers are good for 25 feet, much less than any pistol or rifle is good for. Again, you're clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRukUtuIyFo

I'm not saying that police shouldn't have guns. I think they should.

I am saying though that for ordinary citizens who do not have to deal with criminals on a daily basis like the police, a real gun is literally overkill.

 

[PliotronX]

See what your can of OC spray or taser does in the face of multiple assailants. On drugs. With knives.

 

[Throckmorton]

A taser isn't an alternative to a gun. You have to get close enough to make physical contact. And the ranged ones that shoot out the metal darts have only one shot.

 

[Jaskalas]

Show me a 'non-lethal defense' against guns.

 

[momeNt]

Show me a 'non-lethal defense' against guns.

edit: not really non-lethal, but non-gun.

 

[DrPizza]

Part of the premise of the OP is pretty ignorant - no guns, because there are crossbows that could be used. Newsflash: crossbows work for hunting because they are JUST AS LETHAL as guns. So, killing an intruder with a crossbow would be allowed in the eyes of the OP?

 

[Jaskalas]

momeNt, curious.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

He didn't survive.

 

[momeNt]

The most civil of governments is where only the government has access to weapons of the lethal variety. Helps the government do its job.

Karmy you are definitely getting better at this!

 

[momeNt]

momeNt snip

Spoiler

doh!

But pretty sure he took full clips from like 8 guys at the end lol.

 

[child of wonder]

That's nice. The reality is that your interpretation doesn't remove the 2nd. We get to keep what is ours. Next.

This.

Lock it up!

 

[micrometers]

Good article:

http://www.salon.com/2007/04/18/second_amendment/

 

[LurkerPrime]

I would prefer the complete opposite approach. I think gun safety and shooting should be taught in schools. Every year, just like english class. Your reward for highschool graduation is a pistol, holdster, and firearms license. Everyone should have to take a refresher course every 3-5 years or so if they wish to continue to own and operate firearms and keep thier license.

With proper education of gun safety being taught to everyone starting at a young age we should have less gun accidents. Should also see a decrease in crime, since you have to be pretty stupid to commit a crime when you know most people are armed and know how to use thier weapon. Also the ones dumb enough to commit crimes most likely aren't going to live very long to commit multiple crimes.

 

[sm625]

If you were starting over in civil society, non-lethal defense has come a long way in the past 50 years. Things like tasers, pepper stray, pepper balls, and mace, not to mention electronic surveillance and home security systems, remote surveillance, etc.

Basically means that for all practical purposes, guns really are unnecessary in a civil society. There is hunting, I suppose, but there are also crossbows for that.

If you think about the danger of "false positives", non-lethal defense tools provide something like 90% of the protection of the gun with 10% of the downsides.

That leads the "armed revolution" fantasy, which is based on paranoia since we live in a democratic society and revolutions are carried out at the ballot box.

Purely your uninformed, uneducated opinion. For one thing, tasers and all that fancy stuff costs money. Lead is still relatively cheap. In times that try men's souls, people can make bullets. They cant make no frickin tasers.

And another thing... yes, there has and will again come a time when the ballot box is useless. The system becomes so corrupt that everyone knows it. We're definitely that corrupt now, but people still havent accepted it yet. When they do, then you will learn how revolutions happen. Of course instead of learning the easy way, you experience it yourself if you refuse to study history.

The story of revolution goes hand in hand with any sob story about a battered abused wife. She takes it and she takes it and she takes it until one day she aint takin no more. She casts off the illusion of democracy. America needs to cast off this illusion of democracy if she ever wishes to reclaim it. Because right now we dont have a democracy. We have a kleptocratic plutocracy with heavy fascist overtones. The top 1% control almost all the debate, all the philosophy, all the thought processes of the bottom 99%. That is not a recipe for a happy and stable marriage. The country is only going to take so much of that before it snaps.

 

[Brutus04]

I can't imagine someone coming through my front door to rob me or do other unspeakable harm with a taser. ...maybe the police.

 

[Brovane]

Good article:

http://www.salon.com/2007/04/18/second_amendment/

It is a interesting read from a certain point of view. Well if you can go ahead and get the 2nd Amendment repealed go for it. I doubt that even if passed in Congress that enough states would ratify. There is no harm in having the discussion. However I suspect a few states, Cough (Texas) would actually secede from the Union before having the 2nd amendment repealed.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Don't commit crimes and you won't have to worry about it. Why do you care what someone else carries? Lastly, my only regret is that Goetz didn't kill all four men. Maybe then that 18-year-old girl wouldn't have been raped, sodomized and robbed.

 

[BoberFett]

Advances in communication have rendered the 1st amendment unnecessary.

Advances in encryption have rendered the 4th amendment unnecessary.

This is fun!

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Advances in communication have rendered the 1st amendment unnecessary.

Advances in encryption have rendered the 4th amendment unnecessary.

This is fun!

Women can vote! We now have no need for the 19th amendment!

 

[irishScott]

Social advances have long made the 13th amendment unnecessary as well.

 

[NetWareHead]

Let's take a hypothetical. Bernie Goetz.

What if instead of a gun he had had a can of mace instead?

The answer: he probably would have gotten away from this potential mugging okay. He would not have had any court trouble. The four young men who were criminal at the time would not have had this amount of pain inflicted on them.

Are you really sticking up for the worthless lives of muggers who attempted to rob someone?

Bernie's only fault was that he did not kill all of them.

 

[xj0hnx]

seconds matter. lol. you're not being attacked by elite special forces. you're not important. Most likely an intruder is some dumb teenager poking around (there are many stories of elderly shooting dead some dumb teenager who trespassed for fun).

You are clearly a troll that has never experienced anything further than your mothers basement, why anyone is entertaining this retarded topic is mind boggling.

 

[TheVrolok]

this is the kinda shit mods should be looking at. a flat out troll.

not disagreements between people.

Totally agreed. :thumbsup:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You're a clueless tool. I think even you have to know that.

Two weeks ago one of our Officers got called out to Walmart's loss prevention office. Someone tried to steal light bulbs. Long story short, the perp drew a gun, and our Officer shot and killed him. According to you, he should have used his pepper spray. Ever hear of not bringing a knife to a gun fight?

Even if all Police Officer's used only pepper spray and tasers, do you really think the bad guys would do the same? Our tasers are good for 25 feet, much less than any pistol or rifle is good for. Again, you're clueless.

To further add to your point there are plenty of examples of people who while under the influence of drugs or alcohol have completely shrugged off the effects of pepper spray and/or tasers. So in essence the OP (like most liberals) is completely insane and/or cognitively impaired.

Edit: LoL - Even Star Trek fantasy phasers have a kill setting.

 

[bfdd]

Nothing will ever replace the need to kill something or someone. Sometimes shit needs to die.