Geekbabe
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Forcing women to complete pregnancies when they don't wish to is most assuredly punishment for being sexual.
Forcing women to complete pregnancies when they don't wish to is most assuredly punishment for being sexual.
A gender based issue, for women it is sexual intercourse without protection, done willingly or not, for men there are no actions punishable by pregnancy...
It can be viewed as a punishment to be enforced to carry the baby against your own will...
Any man who is old enough to have had a few single nighters know that when you're drunk and horny, you don't neccesarily consider what consequenses your actions may bring, why should it be different for women?
I had a girlfriend who got pregnant when i was 19, i offered my input but made it clear that the choice was her's, she chose abortion, i went to the hospital with her, i saw the pain she went through afterwards, don't think that abortion is an easy choice, but sometimes it is the best choice...
There are laws to make dads support their children. Is that a "punishment" for being sexual?
If you don't want to get preganant use birth contol or don't have sex.
If you don't want to get preganant use birth contol or don't have sex.
There are laws that make dads support their children, but there are NO laws that make dads take care of their children, do you understand the difference?
And how many dads have to go through nine months of pregnancy (except Arnie)?
If you don't want to get pregnant, don't use birth control because it can fail, that only leaves becoming a nun...
Sorry ladies, but no sex for you...
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
the provision of money in no way equals the risk of bodily harm in carrying a pregnancy thru to delivery, As far as child support money goes,women are also required to pay $$$ towards rearing their children,try asking single mothers who don't collect child support even when it's been ordered,I'm sure you might be able to find a couple of them around.
Well, i have... and some of them were stupid drunk single nighters that very well could have resulted in a pregnancy...
Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Okay, lets say she chose adoption. The kid grows up in foster care, abused and hated. Becomes a druggy, or serial killer and kills hundreds of people since his or her mother didn't want him/her. Is this scenerio possible? Not likely, but possible. Now would something like this be possible if the women chose abortion of the child she could not care for?
Uhg thats a weak argument....
What if the kid grows up in foster care, abused and hated. Becomes very good at school and deciedes to be a experimental Doctor and eventualy finds the cure for HIV.
Its as weak as the one I presented..................
No sex may be a viable option for some women that don't want to have to choose between an unwanted pregnancy and abortion.
Yes, for some women it may be, but for most? I don't think so, in my experience women are just as horny as men, it's a natural thing sometimes held back by imposed moral traditions...
It's not a perfect analogy, but I think that point is valid. The potential consequences of having sex are pregnancy for the women and material support for the father. Neither are punishments. Both are simply the consequences of having sex.
You want to have your cake and eat it to: Actions with no consequences.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Since women are also held legally responsible for the financial support of their children I don't think your comparision is a valid one.
Because having to go through an abortion is a piece of cake and no consequence at all?
How many women who have had abortions have you talked to? how many have you taken to the hospital?
You don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you?
I happen to think that moral traditions are good things. They weren't imposed on me, but for most part, I bought into them and I' glad I did. I suspect that it's saved me a lot of heartache.
But many others haven't bought into them and you're trying to impose those morals on them... is that a good thing?
I suspect it has saved you a lot of experience and fun too...
I meant the natutal consequences of the action. I suspect that having an abortion is a lot more traumatic and life altering for many women than going through a pregnancy.
I haven't talked directly to any women who have had abortions. I would guess that many women are loathe to admit they've had an abortion. It's generally not a topic that comes up.
My wife's two pregancies were planned and I don't have any personal experience with abortion. If I was the parent of a child I would provide emotional and material support whether the child ws planned or not.
I guess it those imposed moral traditions at work again...
So, you shouldn't have sex at all because then you'd be killing millions of sperm cells when they go racing into your condom. Sperm cells are alive too and have a right to life.
true enough. that's why we should allow abortions so that those people won't grow up and masturbate and kill more sperm
true enough. that's why we should allow abortions so that those people won't grow up and masturbate and kill more sperm
Of course you would, i would do the same, but not because of moral traditions... so don't try to tell me that those who do not share your moral traditions cannot be kind loving people...
Now, i'm off to bed, may respond again tomorrow...
Where did I say that those do not share my moral traditions cannont be kind, loving people? Please don't try to vilify those who disagree with you.
There is no clinically documentable psychosis post-abortion. There is such post-pregnancy, even women who want to keep the baby. Thus, it would appear that carrying a pregnancy to term is actually much more traumatic and life-altering. And then there's the fact that the woman wants the abortion and not the pregnancy...but I'm sure that doesn't play into emotional trauma.
If you stand outside of an abortion clinic you might understand why people don't like to talk about it. Wonder why people don't scream out "I'M GAY" in high school or *gulp* the military?
I think it was the morally superior tone your comment about your moral traditions exuded that ticked him off.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
That's the nice thing about having a choice.. you and your wife are free to choose the outcome of any pregnancies that might occur,nobody is going to force abortion on you.
waggy
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Im two minds on the abortion/adoption part of this thread.
I have worked with DCFS (foster care) for years. I have seen children who are abused and not wanted.
I have even seen girls who were mollested and impregnanted by family members. would you force those girls to carry a baby full term? im talking about girls as young as 11.
ok what about rape? should you force the victim to endure 10 more months of torture?
Though i do think that girls that use abortion as a form of birth control should have her tubes tied.
I have worked with DCFS (foster care) for years. I have seen children who are abused and not wanted.
I have even seen girls who were mollested and impregnanted by family members. would you force those girls to carry a baby full term? im talking about girls as young as 11.
ok what about rape? should you force the victim to endure 10 more months of torture?
Though i do think that girls that use abortion as a form of birth control should have her tubes tied.
They're scared as hell...they just want to forget about all their problems instead of letting it live. It's sad, a girl in my school, only 15 years old, freshman in high school, and already pregnant and is getting an abortion.
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