adobe stock drops 20%

[Farang]

People who complain about the cost of Adobe products don't know how to use Adobe products.

 

[QueBert]

He was already explained this in the Gears and Phones forum that it was written for the PC, not a phone. He's a retarded Apple fanboy and he'll continue spewing the same bullshit regardless. Some people you just have to learn to ignore.

So explain to me what exactly is the Android Flash plugin good for? I seem to remember Phandroid people carrying on and on about how when 2.2 comes people can play Farmville on their Android and iPhone people can't. I like my Motorola Droid, I sold my IPHONE to buy it infact. But I do not like Adobe or the Flash plugin. If I'm understanding you correctly people shouldn't expect the FLASH player on their Android phones to properly handle FLASH content. Brilliant...

That makes all the sense in the world. Do you expect the average person to understand the difference between the pc plugin and the Android one and know the Android one can't do what the PC one does? LOL please. I wouldn't say my GF who isn't a nerd like you should know better, she saw "flash 10.1 support" on the phone box, knows Farmville is a FLASH game and put 2+2 together. Average joe isn't going to know "written for a PC" that's funny though. But then again I too thought it would play Farmville well, because well... Adobe demoed a fucking Android device playing it months ago saying "see look! Farmville on a phone WOOPWOOP!" it looked like it was running well even. Apparently the video was fake because the performance from the demo I saw to actually trying it is about a 200% speed decrease.

 

[ShawnD1]

I don't get all the hate for Adobe Reader. It's true that it keeps giving errors and refuses to update on my laptop, but it's not like it's a slow program or anything. Opening any pdf file I have takes less than 1 second. The biggest pdf I have at the moment is the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 50mb file.

 

[LikeLinus]

So explain to me what exactly is the Android Flash plugin good for? I seem to remember Phandroid people carrying on and on about how when 2.2 comes people can play Farmville on their Android and iPhone people can't. I like my Motorola Droid, I sold my IPHONE to buy it infact. But I do not like Adobe or the Flash plugin. If I'm understanding you correctly people shouldn't expect the FLASH player on their Android phones to properly handle FLASH content. Brilliant...

That makes all the sense in the world. Do you expect the average person to understand the difference between the pc plugin and the Android one and know the Android one can't do what the PC one does? LOL please. I wouldn't say my GF who isn't a nerd like you should know better, she saw "flash 10.1 support" on the phone box, knows Farmville is a FLASH game and put 2+2 together. Average joe isn't going to know "written for a PC" that's funny though. But then again I too thought it would play Farmville well, because well... Adobe demoed a fucking Android device playing it months ago saying "see look! Farmville on a phone WOOPWOOP!" it looked like it was running well even. Apparently the video was fake because the performance from the demo I saw to actually trying it is about a 200% speed decrease.

The app was written for a PC. You're trying to play it on the phone. Just because it uses the technology does NOT mean that it will run correctly. Others have tried to explain it to you and you're apparently not intelligent enough to understand this.

The plugin is good for things written for it. Do you think they shouldn't have started creating 64bit software because no one was using 64bit OS at the time? Innovation sometimes has a learning curve. That doesn't mean they stop for stupid idiots who cannot understand that things might not work 100% or be able to use other hardware.

 

[StageLeft]

The free version of adobe reader requires three blu-ray discs of files to get the thing on your machine, about 15 gigs memory just running in the background, and still takes almost an hour to load documents, it's so much fail it's almost beautiful. Adobe is like Winamp and ICQ. Originally good software that just kept piling in more useless sh*t until it became unusable.

That update feature for it is by far the most annoying thing EVER.

 

[StageLeft]

People who complain about the cost of Adobe products don't know how to use Adobe products.

I know how to use them. Start > control panel > add/remove > Uninstall

 

[ShawnD1]

The free version of adobe reader requires three blu-ray discs of files to get the thing on your machine, about 15 gigs memory just running in the background, and still takes almost an hour to load documents, it's so much fail it's almost beautiful. Adobe is like Winamp and ICQ. Originally good software that just kept piling in more useless sh*t until it became unusable.

At my work, all documents scanned by the big scanner use pdf as the default format. I open dozens of them every day and they are never slow like that. Maybe your computer is fucked?

 

[LikeLinus]

At my work, all documents scanned by the big scanner use pdf as the default format. I open dozens of them every day and they are never slow like that. Maybe your computer is fucked?

I have to agree. I have CS 5 installed on my MacBook Pro and have no issues with opening PDFs. Runs fast to me.

 

[Train]

html 5 is even worse. So far every demo I have seen is slow as fuck. Even slower than flash.


Look at this one. It's a simple html 5 demo where a color gradient follows your mouse around. Using a 3.6ghz Phenom II X6 1055 processor, it keeps one core floating somewhere between 50-100% utilization (100% of 1 core would be 17% in task manager).
http://html5demos.com/canvas-grad

Are you kidding? HTML 5 rapes Flash. I'm on a 3 year old lappy and that link you posted absolutely screams in both IE9 and Chrome without even registering on the core 2 duo.

 

[LikeLinus]

Are you kidding? HTML 5 rapes Flash. I'm on a 3 year old lappy and that link you posted absolutely screams in both IE9 and Chrome without even registering on the core 2 duo.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2107184


http://html5demos.com/canvas-grad - this link only gives me a 9-12% utlization on my Core 2 Duo w/ 2GB ram. Not sure why you would get getting 50-100%...

 

[QueBert]

The app was written for a PC. You're trying to play it on the phone. Just because it uses the technology does NOT mean that it will run correctly. Others have tried to explain it to you and you're apparently not intelligent enough to understand this.

The plugin is good for things written for it. Do you think they shouldn't have started creating 64bit software because no one was using 64bit OS at the time? Innovation sometimes has a learning curve. That doesn't mean they stop for stupid idiots who cannot understand that things might not work 100% or be able to use other hardware.

Adobe showed a video of a phone playing Farmville, which to me is there way of saying "this plugin can be used to play Farmville on a phone" Mind you I made no assumptions that it should because Android Flash = PC Flash. I saw a fuckin video of it, so if I'm not intelligent for thinking it should do something the company that makes the plugin demoed it doing, then yes I'm guilty as charged. Apparently I shouldn't expect it to do what Adobe showed it doing right? I'm done with this thread there's just no getting thru to people on here.


*siiigh*

 

[ShawnD1]

Adobe showed a video of a phone playing Farmville, which to me is there way of saying "this plugin can be used to play Farmville on a phone" Mind you I made no assumptions that it should because Android Flash = PC Flash. I saw a fuckin video of it, so if I'm not intelligent for thinking it should do something the company that makes the plugin demoed it doing, then yes I'm guilty as charged.

Apple pulls this bullshit all the time. Remember the iPhone 4 antenna problem? Official response was that you are holding the phone wrong if you touch the left and bottom of the phone at the same time while using it. That's fine, but then Apple own marketing shows them doing that in damn near every picture.

Check out this new phone! It plays flash games like Farmville!
*it doesn't work*
Oh you were doing it wrong, even thought we explicitly said it would work.

 

[olds]

We have CS5.
And Foxit.

 

[LikeLinus]

Adobe showed a video of a phone playing Farmville, which to me is there way of saying "this plugin can be used to play Farmville on a phone" Mind you I made no assumptions that it should because Android Flash = PC Flash. I saw a fuckin video of it, so if I'm not intelligent for thinking it should do something the company that makes the plugin demoed it doing, then yes I'm guilty as charged. Apparently I shouldn't expect it to do what Adobe showed it doing right? I'm done with this thread there's just no getting thru to people on here.


*siiigh*

There are videos on YouTube showing people playing it on their phones. They admit it's a little slow sometimes, but it's totally playable. Not sure what you phones problem is.

You may want to try watching Porn with your flash like it was intended. Not play stupid facebook games.

 

[geno]

You're an idiot. Flash is not dying. Flash is not going anywhere. Adobe needs to tighten their shit up, but they aren't going anywhere any time soon.

I'd wager that, at this point, a majority of Flash usage is on streaming video. Once the move to HTML5 / h.264 comes along, Flash usage will be relegated to games and website content, so I do think that while no one can say its days are numbered just yet, its not going to have the presence it has now in a few years.

 

[ShawnD1]

Are you kidding? HTML 5 rapes Flash. I'm on a 3 year old lappy and that link you posted absolutely screams in both IE9 and Chrome without even registering on the core 2 duo.

Here's me view the page on a Celeron 520 (merom). It's basically a 1.6ghz mobile version of the Core 2 (Conroe).

Chrome does the exact same as Opera. The page does not work in IE9, so I don't know how you tested that.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

It isn't about storage size, it is code bloat and unnecessary applications they try to bundle with it.

It isn't about the price, CS5 is cheap compared to the other programs I use.

Code bloat only effects me if I have a dated system, or a new system built meekly. If you are now concerned about the storage capacity needed then how is it affecting you and your ability to use the application?

If I want to install OSX I need to have (according to Apple) 5GB. If I want to have Windows 7 I need to have (according to Microsoft) +15GB.

Again, I am not seeing the problem. The application works fine, and if it isn't working fine for you then I have to wonder why. Code bloat is only a concern for those where the app isn't working responsively.

 

[Exterous]

They make some good products but goddamn do they piss me off sometimes. We have to make custom install packages for all their damn updates because of the download manager and the fact that the download manager requires admin rights and you can't select 'Run as' with it.

They do - kindly - give us the option of BUYING the friggen update .msi

 

[Train]

Here's me view the page on a Celeron 520 (merom). It's basically a 1.6ghz mobile version of the Core 2 (Conroe).

Chrome does the exact same as Opera. The page does not work in IE9, so I don't know how you tested that.

it does indeed work on IE9 , at least the GPU accelerated beta released last week. I wasnt able to get Chrome or IE to break 15% CPU, they averaged 6% while moving the mouse fast as I could. Note I didnt have any other other tabs open. I don't have Opera on this machine but it could be Opera's fault.

 

[Modelworks]

Code bloat only effects me if I have a dated system, or a new system built meekly. If you are now concerned about the storage capacity needed then how is it affecting you and your ability to use the application?

Wrong. If you are using the applications for their intended purpose in a studio you do not want unneeded resource usage. It doesn't matter how much you spend on hardware, there is never enough when doing this kind of work. I use workstations with 12 cpu cores and 16GB of ram and run out of resources, I don't need software adding to that usage unnecessarily.

Again, I am not seeing the problem. The application works fine, and if it isn't working fine for you then I have to wonder why. Code bloat is only a concern for those where the app isn't working responsively.

It works but it isn't efficient. Autodesk almost made the same mistake as adobe a few versions back and thankfully avoided it with enough complaints from users. Professionals want their application to work for their specific task. We do not want the application to try to be the swiss army knife for the area in which we work.

I don't think many people realize how bad it has gotten because they think that loading up a 50MB PDF is a monumental task. Try loading a PDF 380MB in size full of graphics in acrobat. It chokes and adobe is aware of the problem but blames pdf creators for not using lower quality images.

Photoshop CS5 has issues manipulating large photos with 10+ layers. It can do it, but why is it that CS5 does it slower than CS4, when CS5 has gpu acceleration and supposedly improved code ? Adobe answer is that CS5 added a lot of new features and that it will take time to sort it out. I don't have time for them to get it right. That is why we had the software team write their own in house application to do what we needed from photoshop.

People often ask what applications the professional use ? A lot of them are created in house because when we do find an application we like off the shelf it gets ruined by improvements.

 

[Modelworks]

Hmm. I agree that Flash is buggy and inefficient, and that Acrobat reader is a travesty.

How is Premiere Pro? Is it still good?

Premiere is one of those apps where the creators try to push it as a professional product but the community of professionals know it is just the little kid trying to hang out with the big kids.

When you talk editing for pro work it is mainly avid & final cut . For effects its Nuke , fusion, shake.

Premiere and after effects are kind of in between regular user and professional user.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I don't think Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator or Premier are at all bloated for what they do.

Flash is crap and reader, though much less bloated than it used to be, is still too large.

 

[ShawnD1]

I don't think many people realize how bad it has gotten because they think that loading up a 50MB PDF is a monumental task. Try loading a PDF 380MB in size full of graphics in acrobat. It chokes and adobe is aware of the problem but blames pdf creators for not using lower quality images.

Sorry but Adobe is right. What you are asking from them is beyond unreasonable. Try opening a 300mb file in Excel. Even 20mb files in Excel will lag like crazy. Word can't handle files that size either. IE, Firefox, and Opera will all freeze when dealing with webpages that have nowhere near 300mb worth of content. No program in the world can do what you are asking.

The well understood limitations of file sizes is why we try to keep documents as small as possible. If I have something like 20 hand drawn sketches of as-built dimensions and I'm scanning it into PDF files, I will tell the scanner to make 20 individual files because it's so much faster that way. A free to download book about circuit protection came as 12 single chapter PDF files instead of one giant file because the smaller files are much faster. You implicitly admitted that this is good practice when you said you want your software to be specialized and not loaded down with everything.

When you're talking about 300mb pdf files, basically what you're complaining about is similar to someone installing 300 firefox plugins then wondering why the browser is so slow all the time. Well obviously it's going to be slow when it's force to load all this stuff into memory every time.

 

[tatteredpotato]

What can you do about Youtube tho? Sorta need flash right?

http://www.youtube.com/html5

 

[Aikouka]

Here's me view the page on a Celeron 520 (merom). It's basically a 1.6ghz mobile version of the Core 2 (Conroe).

It runs at 12% on my i7 860 in FF 3.6.10.