ok thanks
-update
IT works first time today when opening Windows Live Mail that the pic's in the emails opened ,with out hanging up for 2 minutes. after the system booted up.
-also part of the back story[1] is that for over a month off and on trying to fix the FF flash hang when going to the steam store ,added \removed downgrade to 10.0 ,tried adobes update commands ,it now works but I can't understand how IE did not get updated unless it needs to be the default .
-back story [2] at the same time I started to have Flash issues , I went from DSL to Fiber so a new internet connections MAIL ACC . settings [same account],so I was looking at this being a networking problem also [it wasn't]
-all is fixed now thanks for posting the links that got me thinking about IE and flash , but still can't find it listed in IE.