Adding 50 million impoverished workers in the labor force will be great for the middle class.

[KK]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Let them all fail and the entire country will crash...IMO, the changes that need to be made are too painful to be made voluntarily.

That would be a chance I would be willing to take as I don't think throwing money at the problem like they are doing is going to fix anything.

I'm just not sure letting the country crash would be a good thing.

However, I don't think the current hemorraghing of cash is gonna make a difference long-term either.

None of the financial institutions wants to take responsibility for their actions...how can you fix something when no one wants to admit that they broke it in the first place?

The righties blame the Dems, the lefties blame the Repubs...those of us caught in the cross-fire are getting fucked left and right as pensions and 401K's are going in the shitter...while the fat-cats keep getting richer.

I don't think the country would crash. Sure there would be some fallout, but the country for the most part would adjust. There's gotta be some accountability held be these companies, and that would be letting them go bankrupt.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give it a rest Techs...you know the Republicans won't rest until we get back to the days of "Lords and serfs."

The whole GM fiasco and the Republican refusal to bail them out is more about breaking organized labor than any pretend fiscal concerns...

Doing away with organized labor has been the Republican goal for decades...and as time goes on, their attacks on it only get worse.

Aren't the dems in charge of the senate?

No they are not, stop lying

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give it a rest Techs...you know the Republicans won't rest until we get back to the days of "Lords and serfs."

The whole GM fiasco and the Republican refusal to bail them out is more about breaking organized labor than any pretend fiscal concerns...

Doing away with organized labor has been the Republican goal for decades...and as time goes on, their attacks on it only get worse.

Aren't the dems in charge of the senate?

No they are not, stop lying

Then who is?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Let them all fail and the entire country will crash...IMO, the changes that need to be made are too painful to be made voluntarily.

That would be a chance I would be willing to take as I don't think throwing money at the problem like they are doing is going to fix anything.

I'm just not sure letting the country crash would be a good thing.

However, I don't think the current hemorraghing of cash is gonna make a difference long-term either.

None of the financial institutions wants to take responsibility for their actions...how can you fix something when no one wants to admit that they broke it in the first place?

The righties blame the Dems, the lefties blame the Repubs...those of us caught in the cross-fire are getting fucked left and right as pensions and 401K's are going in the shitter...while the fat-cats keep getting richer.

There is no stopping the snowball that has been sent down the mountain.

The country will begin to rebuild during the food and soup lines.

Americans will begin to be Americans again.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: cubby1223But you're not exactly laying out how the U.S. can remain competitive in a global marketplace. These jobs are all going to places where their workers are in far shittier conditions than those of even the U.S.'s poor. Our unemployed are in better shape than their employed. How long can this last. The world is globalizing, you can't stop it.

Americans can compete as soon as they're willing to live like people in the third world.

I disagree with your notion that the effects of global labor arbitrage cannot be stopped or at least dramatically reduced. Why do you take that as a matter of faith? A huge amount of people seem to take it as an axiom today, without question.

What about...

Tariffs...
Zero dollar trade deficit policies...
A moratorium on all immigration...
The elimination of the H-1B and L-1 visa programs...
Internal capitalism...

What ever happened to individualism and self-reliance? One of the ironies in this debate is that the self-proclaimed advocates of capitalism and the free market who would seem to advocate individualism and self reliance support having a nation that's dependent on foreign countries.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Americans can compete as soon as they're willing to live like people in the third world.

That was the Republican plan from the beginning.

Mission Accomplished

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give it a rest Techs...you know the Republicans won't rest until we get back to the days of "Lords and serfs."

The whole GM fiasco and the Republican refusal to bail them out is more about breaking organized labor than any pretend fiscal concerns...

Doing away with organized labor has been the Republican goal for decades...and as time goes on, their attacks on it only get worse.

Aren't the dems in charge of the senate?

No they are not, stop lying

Go back to humping that floppy tit dog of yours.

This is golden, you telling someone to stop lying.

Who is the senate majority leader? Sen Reid?


The bolded is an unacceptable level of personal attack. One week off.

Perknose
Senior AT Mod

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Evan
Outsourcing and immigration have proven to be an economic net positive in terms of wages and standards of living since it started booming in the 70's. Bottom line, we don't outsource and we'd see consumer prices skyrocket (whether it's everyday clothes from China, food from basically everywhere, cars from Asia, etc.).

You say that consumer prices would skyrocket, but would they rise faster than wages? For that matter, is there some sort of a magical way that outsourcing and immigration will allow Americans to consume more wealth than they produce?

How do you account for the increased costs of resources and the increased strain on the environment and reduced standard of living resulting from the population explosion caused by mass immigration?

I still have yet to see anyone explain how a dramatic increase in the supply of labor relative to the demand for labor won't result in lower wages and a lower standard of living for average people.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give it a rest Techs...you know the Republicans won't rest until we get back to the days of "Lords and serfs."

The whole GM fiasco and the Republican refusal to bail them out is more about breaking organized labor than any pretend fiscal concerns...

Doing away with organized labor has been the Republican goal for decades...and as time goes on, their attacks on it only get worse.

Aren't the dems in charge of the senate?

No they are not, stop lying

Go back to humping that floppy tit dog of yours.

This is golden, you telling someone to stop lying.

Who is the senate majority leader? Sen Reid?

Quoted and Bolded for world to see the class of AT

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give it a rest Techs...you know the Republicans won't rest until we get back to the days of "Lords and serfs."

The whole GM fiasco and the Republican refusal to bail them out is more about breaking organized labor than any pretend fiscal concerns...

Doing away with organized labor has been the Republican goal for decades...and as time goes on, their attacks on it only get worse.

Aren't the dems in charge of the senate?

No they are not, stop lying

Go back to humping that floppy tit dog of yours.

This is golden, you telling someone to stop lying.

Who is the senate majority leader? Sen Reid?

Quoted and Bolded for world to see the class of AT

What, you don't own a bassett hound?

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: cubby1223


At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.
Unless you are willing to consider all aspects of the Foreign Auto manufacturing model for comparison, such as CEO / Executive compensation packages, Demand Manuacturing, and National Health Care System comparisons, your arguement falls apart simply by failing to consider a like kind situation.

The "Repuvblicans" have no clear goal now other than to disrupt the Democrats. They had 12 years of numerical superiority to enact all the legislation they wanted. AND 4 of those years were with a supermajority and a Presidency to rubber stamp each other.
There is no one at the top that is in danger of losing their home, starving or losing a family member to reduced Health Care availability. So, there is no crisis. To "them".
It is part and parcel of the Elite Republican creed to resist any effort to elevate the masses by any means necessary. For proof of this , look no further thancomparing the rate of productivity increase by wage earners to the rate of wage increase by those workers. IF, "Free Market Capitalism / Free Market Forces " were actually allowed to work unencumbered, the middle class would have enjoyed a wage increase percentage that would have completely eliminated ANY threat of home foreclosure or Mortgage market collapse.
By cutting off the promised increase in wages for that increased productivity to those that spend the most ( we aren't called a "consumer Economy" for nothing, well except to confuse you, but I digress), "they" have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face.
They will then call any such efforts "socialist" or "inflation producing", yet when their empires are threatend by the results of their selfish policies, they have no problem with using a Social solutions to a private problem.
AND, I might add, STAGNANT inflation will be far worse than anything else we've experienced here in the US to date.

The top 1% have enough of a Nut to weather a depression of more than a few years, unlike the majority of people who are at most a couple of paychecks away from ruin..
It's the same mindset that litigates someone into capitulation, regardless of the merits of a case.

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: techs
Adding 50 million impoverished workers in the labor force will be great for the middle class?
Who could have possibly believed this?
Isn't it time to completely disgrace those people who pushed the idea that outsourcing was good for Americans? How could effectively adding 50 million impoverished workers to the work force be good for American workers? It wasn't.
No more clothes, no more tires, no more computers, no more home appliances, soon to be no more cars, then no more planes.
Apparently the only thing left for Americans to manufacture will be outrageous claims of how good life now is that Americans are losing weight because the can't afford food.

And the resistance to economic progress is as strong as ever.

Learn about comparitive advantage. Outsourcing is neither good nor bad. It's what is supposed to happen. We should do what we do best.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223

At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.

Unless you are willing to consider all aspects of the Foreign Auto manufacturing model for comparison, such as CEO / Executive compensation packages, Demand Manuacturing, and National Health Care System comparisons, your arguement falls apart simply by failing to consider a like kind situation.

The "Repuvblicans" have no clear goal now other than to disrupt the Democrats. They had 12 years of numerical superiority to enact all the legislation they wanted. AND 4 of those years were with a supermajority and a Presidency to rubber stamp each other.
There is no one at the top that is in danger of losing their home, starving or losing a family member to reduced Health Care availability. So, there is no crisis. To "them".
It is part and parcel of the Elite Republican creed to resist any effort to elevate the masses by any means necessary. They call any such efforts "socialist", yet when their empires are threatend by the results of their selfish policies, they have no problem with using a Social solutions to a private problem.

The top 1% have enough of a Nut to weather a depression of more than a few years, unlike the majority of people who are at most a couple of paychecks away from ruin..
It's the same mindset that litigates someone into capitulation, regardless of the merits of a case.

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

:lips: :heart:

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223

At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.

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The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

:lips: :heart:

Pavlovian Conditioning: USA 2008 version
Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the ?New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves ? ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223

At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.

<snipped for revised content>

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

:lips: :heart:

Pavlovian Conditioning: USA 2008 version
Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the ?New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves ? ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

Based on your prior post I can only assume you were trying to pin this on Republicans, but I'll be damned if Democrats don't sound eerily similar.

Peak oil!!!! We're all gonna die from global warming!!!! Now give us more power and money and we'll protect you from yourself.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223

At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.

<snipped for revised content>

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

:lips: :heart:

Pavlovian Conditioning: USA 2008 version
Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the ?New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves ? ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

Nice outline, although I hope you werent replying to McOwned. He wont understand this. You need to say things like he does-in simple, under 20 word sentences.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
[Based on your prior post I can only assume you were trying to pin this on Republicans, but I'll be damned if Democrats don't sound eerily similar.

Peak oil!!!! We're all gonna die from global warming!!!! Now give us more power and money and we'll protect you from yourself.

Well that would be a mistake, to wit; Assuming too much based on too little real information.
The operative phrase in there is "concealed change agents".
It is the emotionalism you have towards this topic which clouds your eyes when the words are right in front of you.
Those "agents" are of both parties. :Q
The end goal is destabilization and any unilateral force can be easily identified and organized against. It's far harder to mobilize a diverse populace when you have agent provacatuers in place on both sides to create the chaos such a plan requires in order to be effective. BTW, what was Limbaugh's little destabilization campaign called called??? Why , Operation CHAOS !
When people can be convinced to vote against their own obvious best interests, in favor of some unnnamed, unspecified benefit to be handed down by some "benevolent" Corporate largess, I would say that Hegel's principle is in play quite well, and that Gohering's infamous statement about propaganda has been proved.
These propaganda techniques are required reading for any first year political science student.
To try to deny any one of them is to argue against them all.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223

At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.

<snipped for revised content>

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

:lips: :heart:

Pavlovian Conditioning: USA 2008 version
Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the ?New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves ? ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

Nice outline, although I hope you werent replying to McOwned. He wont understand this. You need to say things like he does-in simple, under 20 word sentences.

No, I don't.
It's everyone else's responsibility to keep up, or accelerate the conversation.

Besides, it's obvious that Dave understood precisely what I was saying.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

You say that consumer prices would skyrocket, but would they rise faster than wages?

Yes, since the data has indicated that since forever and it exactly why we outsource.

For that matter, is there some sort of a magical way that outsourcing and immigration will allow Americans to consume more wealth than they produce?

The numbers says it happens, frequently. They start businesses, they work for low wages without depressing skilled service jobs (which is why Americans are becoming more and more skilled in service jobs). Look it up.

How do you account for the increased costs of resources and the increased strain on the environment and reduced standard of living resulting from the population explosion caused by mass immigration?

None of that has occurred because of mass immigration so you're utterly confused from the jump.

I still have yet to see anyone explain how a dramatic increase in the supply of labor relative to the demand for labor won't result in lower wages and a lower standard of living for average people.

Because the demand for labor is essentially infinite relative to immigrant labor in this economy. The potential for immigrants to start new businesses and work is exactly what drives part of America's innovation and production every single year. They depress wages in low-skilled sectors of the economy and increase demand for highly skilled labor elsewhere, increasing the demand for better education. The studies have already been done and they have been conclusive.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: techs
Adding 50 million impoverished workers in the labor force will be great for the middle class?
Who could have possibly believed this?
Isn't it time to completely disgrace those people who pushed the idea that outsourcing was good for Americans? How could effectively adding 50 million impoverished workers to the work force be good for American workers? It wasn't.
No more clothes, no more tires, no more computers, no more home appliances, soon to be no more cars, then no more planes.
Apparently the only thing left for Americans to manufacture will be outrageous claims of how good life now is that Americans are losing weight because the can't afford food.

360 million people in the country.

at 4 people avg per household that equals 90 million families.

Figure that 3/4 of those have both parents working = 70 million workers

Tech's math fails.

He is claiming 2/3 of the country workers is tied to jobs being outsourced

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
The problem I have with your population "shortfall" theory is that I see no real argument that we're OFF the ideal population growth curve. Outsourcing doesn't mean our supply of workers is falling short, when costs are low enough demand for labor will dramatically increase...demand for labor grows to meet supply when price is flexible. Without the low costs of outsourcing, demand for labor would be lower...or when a decrease in labor is not possible, costs will go up. American workers aren't going to answer helpdesk calls or pick lettuce for a few dollars a day. Cheaper labor sources are a result of many factors, but I'm not convinced a lack of native workers is one of them...

In any case, you forgot the other position you took...that abortion was primarily to blame for our unproven "shortfall" of workers.

The labor supply here is low, which drives labor prices up. Add additional labor to the pool (i.e. all the labor available globally) and all of a sudden the prices must go down. As for whether we're on any sort of natural population growth curve, I will guess that any analysis of the population over the history of the nation will follow an exponential curve with time until the early 70's, when a new constraint was placed on population growth. There will probably be deviations due to wars as well, but nothing systematic like what we've probably seen in the last 35 years. Maybe tomorrow I'll look up some numbers and see if I'm right.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Rainsford
The problem I have with your population "shortfall" theory is that I see no real argument that we're OFF the ideal population growth curve. Outsourcing doesn't mean our supply of workers is falling short, when costs are low enough demand for labor will dramatically increase...demand for labor grows to meet supply when price is flexible. Without the low costs of outsourcing, demand for labor would be lower...or when a decrease in labor is not possible, costs will go up. American workers aren't going to answer helpdesk calls or pick lettuce for a few dollars a day. Cheaper labor sources are a result of many factors, but I'm not convinced a lack of native workers is one of them...

In any case, you forgot the other position you took...that abortion was primarily to blame for our unproven "shortfall" of workers.

The labor supply here is low, which drives labor prices up.

Wow, what drugs are you on?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs
Adding 50 million impoverished workers in the labor force will be great for the middle class?
Who could have possibly believed this?
Isn't it time to completely disgrace those people who pushed the idea that outsourcing was good for Americans? How could effectively adding 50 million impoverished workers to the work force be good for American workers? It wasn't.
No more clothes, no more tires, no more computers, no more home appliances, soon to be no more cars, then no more planes.
Apparently the only thing left for Americans to manufacture will be outrageous claims of how good life now is that Americans are losing weight because the can't afford food.

360 million people in the country.

at 4 people avg per household that equals 90 million families.

Figure that 3/4 of those have both parents working = 70 million workers

Tech's math fails.

He is claiming 2/3 of the country workers is tied to jobs being outsourced

Your math is off too, only counted one parent when you accounted for both. Close estimate though if you just doubled yours.

144.6 million workers according to www.bls.gov So yeah, it'd be 1/3 instead of 2/3. Still ridiculous.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Wow, what drugs are you on?

Dave, c'mon, you cannot be that stupid.

In some areas there is a shortage of "skilled" workers, namely textiles, people in the US just don't get the apprentaceship style training to be good tailors and seamstresses off the bat, especially when compared to other developing nations, which is one reason, along with the lower cost of labor, that companies have moved clothing production elsewhere. Especially those who want to ramp up production and diversify their lineup when compared to what they had been previously producing.

The US is becomming a nation of managers and shoppers.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: cubby1223
At some point you have to face reality that U.S. companies have to be competitive against international competition. You are being spoon-fed a slanted view from the Democrats and other liberal talking heads.

GM lost ~$40b this past year while Toyota profited ~$17b on the sale of roughly equal number of vehicles between them. If you cut the CEO pay down to nothing, GM still lost ~$39.99b. If you want to live in your fairy world believing that a bailout without sufficient concessions to cut costs will help GM survive, then there's nothing further to discuss.

The Republicans want to make sure GM is competitive against competition.

That is such horseshit.
Unless you are willing to consider all aspects of the Foreign Auto manufacturing model for comparison, such as CEO / Executive compensation packages, Demand Manuacturing, and National Health Care System comparisons, your arguement falls apart simply by failing to consider a like kind situation.

The "Repuvblicans" have no clear goal now other than to disrupt the Democrats. They had 12 years of numerical superiority to enact all the legislation they wanted. AND 4 of those years were with a supermajority and a Presidency to rubber stamp each other.
There is no one at the top that is in danger of losing their home, starving or losing a family member to reduced Health Care availability. So, there is no crisis. To "them".
It is part and parcel of the Elite Republican creed to resist any effort to elevate the masses by any means necessary. For proof of this , look no further thancomparing the rate of productivity increase by wage earners to the rate of wage increase by those workers. IF, "Free Market Capitalism / Free Market Forces " were actually allowed to work unencumbered, the middle class would have enjoyed a wage increase percentage that would have completely eliminated ANY threat of home foreclosure or Mortgage market collapse.
By cutting off the promised increase in wages for that increased productivity to those that spend the most ( we aren't called a "consumer Economy" for nothing, well except to confuse you, but I digress), "they" have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face.
They will then call any such efforts "socialist" or "inflation producing", yet when their empires are threatend by the results of their selfish policies, they have no problem with using a Social solutions to a private problem.
AND, I might add, STAGNANT inflation will be far worse than anything else we've experienced here in the US to date.

The top 1% have enough of a Nut to weather a depression of more than a few years, unlike the majority of people who are at most a couple of paychecks away from ruin..
It's the same mindset that litigates someone into capitulation, regardless of the merits of a case.

The middle class has lost whatever wage and workplace gains were made the previous 30 years while the top 1% has gained more than ever before.


The "Republican / Corporate Agenda" is nothing less than Hegel's Dialectic in action, and WORKING !!

There you go again resorting back to the tired & repetitive liberal talking points, without actually addressing the issue at hand.

Tell me your thoughts on how GM can become competitive. And in GM's situation, it's not even foreign competition, for Toyota & Honda vehicles are also manufactured right here in the U.S.

I love this forum, few have any clue how to actually discuss anything. :laugh: All you know is partisan insults.

Okay, let's play tea party in your fantasy world. GM's CEO makes ~$10m. There are ~250k workers employed by GM. Let's spread the wealth around. The CEO now makes nothing while the workers get an annual salary increase of $40. WOW, THEY'RE TOTALLY RICH NOW! :laugh: The world has been saved from the clutches of the evil Republicans, for the workers have an extra $3.33 per month.

I hate to break it to you, but math just is not partisan.

And the Republican party represents much more than just the top 1%. I can't believe I actually had to type that out. Gosh this forum simply amazes me at times. If the Republicans only looked out for the top 1%, I'd expect their results in elections to be somewhere along the lines of, oh I don't know, 1% of the popular vote! :roll: