Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[utahraptor]

Anyone that has played the portal think the ray tracing helps much? When I watched the trailer it was often hard to tell which version was supposed to look better when it showed off and on.

edit: I just watched it again. It really reminds me of those old Minecraft HD texture packs they used to have. I am guessing it’s easier to tell when you are moving around?

 

[CP5670]

Portal is not a great game to show off RT, as much as I like it. It works well in high contrast games or games with outdoor sunlight. The best uses I've seen were in Metro Exodus and Control. They should advertise those instead of a 15 year old game.

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Ti Detailed Specs Sheet Leaks

It turns out that NVIDIA has not one, but two new GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" SKUs on the anvil this January. One of these is the RTX 4070 Ti, which we know well to be a rebranding of the RTX 4080 12 GB in the face of backlash that forced NVIDIA to "unlaunch" it. The other as it turns out, is...

www.techpowerup.com

TPU seems to think the 4070 is going to also be announced in January at the same time as the 4070 Ti. They also claim a 2.6 Ghz boost which would give the 4070 about the same FP32 as the 3080 12 GB.

Portal is not a great game to show off RT, as much as I like it. It works well in high contrast games or games with outdoor sunlight. The best uses I've seen were in Metro Exodus and Control. They should advertise those instead of a 15 year old game.

I want to see how well the Racer game that nVidia is also working on works.

 

[CP5670]

I thought that was just a tech demo. It would make an excellent game, just like a modern Re-volt.

 

[amenx]

First released in October 2007. Just over 15 years ago. You are probably confused with Portal 2.

Damn, what a waste! When ppl speak of Portal, its 2 that often comes to mind because 1 was so forgettable in comparison.

Nvidia has to stop pulling this crap. I face-palmed when they RT'd Quake 2, a last century game that can never look good with square jawed characters and straight line limbs. Aside from its ancient gameplay mechanics.

 

[MrTeal]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Ti Detailed Specs Sheet Leaks

It turns out that NVIDIA has not one, but two new GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" SKUs on the anvil this January. One of these is the RTX 4070 Ti, which we know well to be a rebranding of the RTX 4080 12 GB in the face of backlash that forced NVIDIA to "unlaunch" it. The other as it turns out, is...

www.techpowerup.com

TPU seems to think the 4070 is going to also be announced in January at the same time as the 4070 Ti. They also claim a 2.6 Ghz boost which would give the 4070 about the same FP32 as the 3080 12 GB.

The 3080 12GB is 83% of the SP of the 3090 Ti and the same bus width. If the 4070 really comes out with 77% of the SP found in the 4070 Ti and that card already struggles to match the 3090 Ti, it would be doing well to match a 3080. That much of a cut would be ridiculous, the card would have 1/3rd the cores of the 4090, that's like the difference between the 3090 and 3060 or 1080 Ti and 1060.

 

[eek2121]

Anyone that has played the portal think the ray tracing helps much? When I watched the trailer it was often hard to tell which version was supposed to look better when it showed off and on.

edit: I just watched it again. It really reminds me of those old Minecraft HD texture packs they used to have. I am guessing it’s easier to tell when you are moving around?

Does it help? Meh, maybe a bit? Easier to see where stuff is going I guess.

Damn, what a waste! When ppl speak of Portal, its 2 that often comes to mind because 1 was so forgettable in comparison.

Nvidia has to stop pulling this crap. I face-palmed when they RT'd Quake 2, a last century game that can never look good with square jawed characters and straight line limbs. Aside from its ancient gameplay mechanics.

You are completely missing the point of this release. It is to showcase taking a classic game on an ancient version of an engine and modding it to add RT. The effects are very real. NVIDIA will be releasing the framework so that anyone can mod any game with a supported engine.

Portal was not a bad game. I enjoyed it at launch and I am enjoying playing through it now.

 

[amenx]

You are completely missing the point of this release. It is to showcase taking a classic game on an ancient version of an engine and modding it to add RT. The effects are very real. NVIDIA will be releasing the framework so that anyone can mod any game with a supported engine.

Yeah, kinda figured it was for demo purposes, but thought we were well into the RT age to still need them. But can see that it can be useful as an introduction for smaller devs or studios who are just getting into RT.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

3050 Ti is 35-75W. I don't see why 4050 Ti would increase that so much, as it's going to be a design free swap for most manufacturers.

Notebookcheck says 35-80W for 3050Ti, so increasing It to 95W is a bit surprising, but OEMs can still limit It to 80W.

On the other hand 9600 points at 95W would be 4% higher score than what the best RTX 3060 115W manages.
That's very good, If we consider that 4050Ti has worse specs and they need to compensate by clocking much higher.
If I compare TFLOPs then 4050Ti needs to clock at 2130MHz to be on par with 115W RTX 3060, add 4% more and you are at ~2215MHz.
I can imagine It clocking at ~2250MHz at 95W TGP.

 

[HoveringStyle]

There are 95W 3050 Tis, the Lenovo Legion 5 2022 has one. They score up to 6300 on Time Spy graphics so 9600 points for the replacement would make it over 50% more efficient.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

There are 95W 3050 Tis, the Lenovo Legion 5 2022 has one. They score up to 6300 on Time Spy graphics so 9600 points for the replacement would make it over 50% more efficient.

The weird thing about those Lenovo laptops with RTX 3050(Ti) is that they have 95W TGP, but boost clock is only for the 80W version.

Nvidia shows only up to 80W, yet there are 85, 90 and 95W versions too.
This is from Nvidia's webpage, Link


I also found a review of Asus ROG Strix G17 G713QE with 95W TGP 3050Ti.

I think that 95W TGP is actually 80W + 15W as dynamic boost and Nvidia doesn't mention that in specs.

 

[HoveringStyle]

That makes more sense, I did suspect dynamic boost at first but got blindsided by Lenovo actually putting 95W in their spec sheet but that detail about them using the same boost clock for the 80W version seals it.

Still, we found a precedent of OEMs wanting to slap big number 95W on the spec sheets (and promotional materials?) of their xx50 Ti products so Nvidia might actually be considering adding that spec

 

[biostud]

What is nvidia planning for the $6—700 market, and how will it compare to the 3080?

 

[jpiniero]

What is nvidia planning for the $6—700 market, and how will it compare to the 3080?

Can only guess as to the price of the 4070, but it's unlikely to be any faster than the 3080.

 

[gdansk]

What is nvidia planning for the $6—700 market, and how will it compare to the 3080?

Well let's assume the 4070 Ti is $800 now. Then the 4070 is probably in the $700 to $600 range.
Tentative specifications of 46SM, about 30TFLOPs, about 500GB/s and 12GB GDDR6X.
So that should be similar to the 10GB/12GB 3080s. For about the same price. Maybe a bit less if Nvidia feels generous.
And given that you cannot find new RTX 3080s anymore I guess that's what you'll have to buy.

 

[biostud]

Well let's assume the 4070 Ti is $800 now. Then the 4070 is probably in the $700 to $600 range.
Tentative specifications of 46SM, about 30TFLOPs, about 500GB/s and 12GB GDDR6X.
So that should be similar to the 10GB/12GB 3080s. For about the same price. Maybe a bit less if Nvidia feels generous.
And given that you cannot find new RTX 3080s anymore I guess that's what you'll have to buy.

So two years since the release of the 3080 and zero performance/$ increase? Damn, we need better competition.

I’m still betting on team red and N32 this time around.

 

[Aapje]

Keep in mind that our choices matter. Either go with team red or hold out, if you can. Nvidia is going to need to move a lot of cards, especially since they prepaid for very many wafers.

As we've seen with Ryzen 7000, if a product doesn't sell, they need to cut prices if they want to move product.

The sooner cards start piling up, the sooner they'll have to do something.

 

[maddie]

Keep in mind that our choices matter. Either go with team red or hold out, if you can. Nvidia is going to need to move a lot of cards, especially since they prepaid for very many wafers.

As we've seen with Ryzen 7000, if a product doesn't sell, they need to cut prices if they want to move product.

The sooner cards start piling up, the sooner they'll have to do something.

To be realistic, a large % of the market has either disappeared (mining), or dropped a price tier in purchasing ability. We should not mistake our personal situation for the total market. A lot will hold off because they have to, so little choice involved.

 

[eek2121]

People are getting NVIDIA Remix working with a few other games by copying the DLLs. For example, someone over at Beyond3D got it working with SWAT 4.

 

[biostud]

Keep in mind that our choices matter. Either go with team red or hold out, if you can. Nvidia is going to need to move a lot of cards, especially since they prepaid for very many wafers.

As we've seen with Ryzen 7000, if a product doesn't sell, they need to cut prices if they want to move product.

The sooner cards start piling up, the sooner they'll have to do something.

Yeah, I’m waiting until N32 is launched to a) see what it brings to the scene b) see if it influences the prices of nvidias cards.

It seems that I will do a two step upgrade first zen3D then later video card.

 

[jpiniero]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601990193162043392

Looks like the 4090, 4080, 4070 and 4060 Mobile will also be announced at CES.

 

[scineram]

This is great news! Same silicon as desktop cards, so Nvidia can start draining whatever Lovelace inventory they have thus letting gamers hang themselves waiting for price cuts due to excess stock.

 

[Mopetar]

This is great news! Same silicon as desktop cards, so Nvidia can start draining whatever Lovelace inventory they have thus letting gamers hang themselves waiting for price cuts due to excess stock.

Do you think the GPU support bracket included with the 4090 is strong enough to hold the rope?

 

[SteinFG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601990193162043392

Looks like the 4090, 4080, 4070 and 4060 Mobile will also be announced at CES.

So AD103 for 4090 M, AD104 for 4080 M, and AD106 for 4060 M / 4070 M
Here's laptop numbers from previous gen:

3080 Ti 16GB	GA103 / 58 SMs	4090 16GB	AD103 / up to 80 SMs
3080 8GB	GA104 / 48 SMs	4080 12GB	AD104 / up to 60 SMs
3070 8GB	GA104 / 40 SMs	4070 8GB	AD106 / up to 36 SMs
3060 6GB	GA106 / 30 SMs	4060 8GB	AD106 / up to 36 SMs
3050 4GB	GA107 / 16 SMs		AD107 / up to 24 SMs

 

[jpiniero]

Videocardz seems to think the 4060L is AD107 based actually.