Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

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jpiniero

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Confirmation that the 4070 Ti has the same specs as the 4080 12 GB. I thought there was a chance they would change the memory speed but they did not. So the only difference is that the price might be $100 cheaper.
 
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TESKATLIPOKA

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I think ADA is pretty cheap for what you get. Just check our Portal with RTX :p
AMD just can't match performance/price of Ada.
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TPU could have tested Intel Arc for reference and It looks like not even 12GB Vram is enough at 4K.
 

Ranulf

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Well, at least Portal is free dlc if you own the original. With DLSS it looks like my 2060S will get around 40fps based on the 3060 numbers. A 2007 game, updated with rtx in 2022 with a 3 year old card (or soon 2 year old 3060)...for 40fps of new shiny pictures. Yay.
 

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Portal RTX is the kind of thing that absolutely destroys AMD on the marketing front. NV lets all cards run it, but the whole thing is coded for the RTX4xxx series and optimized a bit for the RTX3xxx series.

While I doubt the 6900XT would be blowing anyone away with its RT performance in the best of times, it is so underperforming here that I can only assume that NV not only didn't optimize for AMD cards (obviously) but might have actually even built in deliberate code to bottleneck AMD cards unrealistically.

Curiously, I wonder if we'll see an FSR2.0 .dll swap available for this game.
 
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Portal RTX is the kind of thing that absolutely destroys AMD on the marketing front. NV lets all cards run it, but the whole thing is coded for the RTX4xxx series and optimized a bit for the RTX3xxx series.

While I doubt the 6900XT would be blowing anyone away with its RT performance in the best of times, it is so underperforming here that I can only assume that NV not only didn't optimize for AMD cards (obviously) but might have actually even built in deliberate code to bottleneck AMD cards unrealistically.

Curiously, I wonder if we'll see an FSR2.0 .dll swap available for this game.

I think it's more because these kind of RT retrofits do all lighting effects with RT. Most of them are very light raster but heavy RT loads, so you get lopsided results from RT capability differences.
 
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I think ADA is pretty cheap for what you get. Just check our Portal with RTX :p
AMD just can't match performance/price of Ada.


TPU could have tested Intel Arc for reference and It looks like not even 12GB Vram is enough at 4K.

So basically if I would have bought a 3070 instead of a 6700XT I could have played a 15 year old game at 626p60 or if I sprung the $1200 for a 4080 I could have done a full 1080p60?
 

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Portal RTX is the kind of thing that absolutely destroys AMD on the marketing front. NV lets all cards run it, but the whole thing is coded for the RTX4xxx series and optimized a bit for the RTX3xxx series.

While I doubt the 6900XT would be blowing anyone away with its RT performance in the best of times, it is so underperforming here that I can only assume that NV not only didn't optimize for AMD cards (obviously) but might have actually even built in deliberate code to bottleneck AMD cards unrealistically.

Curiously, I wonder if we'll see an FSR2.0 .dll swap available for this game.

I think it's the same trick as with tessellation, excessive amounts of rays.
Yes, the RTX4 series is better for being able to process a greater number of rays. Games with RT will be faster on a RTX4 card, but on a game like this, it's just being used to "showcase" how faster RTX4 series can be, NOT to show how good the game can look with RT. They're just shooting as many rays the 4090 can process (actually above, the card can't reach 60fps). If you drop the number of rays and some bounces in half would make no difference, but then this would be just Portal with Raytracing, not a showcase for the 4090.
Because the RDNA 2 cards are still round Turing with some disadvantages of course it performs so bad.

This is stupid, RT is good indeed, but you just have to remember that some game for the current gen consoles exist and can deliver excellent RT with a fraction of that RT processing power to understand how stupid this is.

Unfortunately RT is still on that fase of developers using it badly instead of smartly.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Will it?

I find it highly unlikely that people will buy $1600 graphics cards for PORTAL.

- They'll buy it for the idea of playing Portal RTX. For the idea of playing all those RTX remastered classics that no one has heard about but we're all sure are coming. They'll buy it because... what if they want to learn CUDA but have been ignoring their Duolingo app for the last 5 years. What if they'll become a big time streamer one of these days and that one follower who is actually their mom turns into millions of adoring fans waiting to hear the 5 billionth hot take on Elden Ring, gotta have NVENC! Oh yeah, the VR revolution is coming soon, i'm sure of it, aren't NV cards better for that? And DLSS 3, more frames is always better, right?

They're not buying anything for one port, they're buying into what NV's ecosystem represents. They're buying a brand that represents being on the cutting edge and doing cool stuff other brands can't.

I'm literally never going to play RTX Portal since A) no RTX card and B)I've already beaten portal so many times that I have other stuff I want to play. But even I think its 'cool' that it was released and added to my steam library (and immediately moved it to my "already played" folder).
 

jpiniero

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New rumor about the 4070 - same memory and bandwidth as the 4070 Ti but they've also slashed the core count all the way down to 5888. That should be really unnecessary to cut that far, so I have some doubts this is true but we'll see. Looks like it'd be 3080 performance for ... the 3080s price?
 

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It's just a gimmick. A 15 year old game that a few people will replay fully, but most will just fire up, play it for 10 minutes and then quit.
It's pretty nice tech demo/showcase. Many have Portal and they can see how pure path tracing looks like for, most likely, free. Also they want to sell RTX 4090...
 

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It's just a gimmick. A 15 year old game that a few people will replay fully, but most will just fire up, play it for 10 minutes and then quit.
It's there as an example of Remix - Nvidia's new tech for retrofitting RT to old games, designed to be used by enthusiast modders. Expect lots of popular old games to get RT mods via remix which will not surprisingly run best on an Nvidia 4xxx card.
 

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New rumor about the 4070 - same memory and bandwidth as the 4070 Ti but they've also slashed the core count all the way down to 5888. That should be really unnecessary to cut that far, so I have some doubts this is true but we'll see. Looks like it'd be 3080 performance for ... the 3080s price?

I think nvidia will price that 4070 at 550-600 dollars, undercutting the 700 dollar price of 3080. Doesn't make sense to price the same as 3080.
Remember that current 4080 price is deliberatly chosen to be unappealing. Nvidia themselves didn't send out many cards to the stores but they are still sitting on shelves. Nvidia waits for Ampere stock to run out before shipping Ada at mass volume. And they won't get a ton volume by selling a 3080-level card for a 700 dollars.
 

jpiniero

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I think nvidia will price that 4070 at 550-600 dollars, undercutting the 700 dollar price of 3080. Doesn't make sense to price the same as 3080.
Remember that current 4080 price is deliberatly chosen to be unappealing. Nvidia themselves didn't send out many cards to the stores but they are still sitting on shelves. Nvidia waits for Ampere stock to run out before shipping Ada at mass volume. And they won't get a ton volume by selling a 3080-level card for a 700 dollars.

If you assume the 4070 Ti's MSRP is going to be $799, it only makes sense that the 4070 is $100 cheaper. I could see $599 but it seems like $699 is more realistic.
 

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It's just a gimmick. A 15 year old game that a few people will replay fully, but most will just fire up, play it for 10 minutes and then quit.
11 year old game. Re-installed it a few days ago and playing it again. Love it on 4k but am not too excited about the RT version, which will almost certainly require me to lower my resolution.
 

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If you assume the 4070 Ti's MSRP is going to be $799, it only makes sense that the 4070 is $100 cheaper. I could see $599 but it seems like $699 is more realistic.
If the rumor is true, then the Ti version will have 30% more cuda cores (7680 vs 5888).
Doesn't seem like a 100 dollar difference to me.
My bet is 600 for regular, 800 for the Ti version, and the 4080 will get a price cut (to 1100 or 1000).
 
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Ranulf

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How nice of Nvidia to supposedly up the ram from 10gb to 12gb and the bus to 192bit.
 

Aapje

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-And it will absolutely sell NV cards even if AMD is the better fit/value for a person.

It's only going to be an argument that's used by people who were always going to buy an Nvidia card for emotional reasons and need to rationalize it.

RT in general is an argument, but Portal RTX specifically is not a sensible reason to prefer an Nvidia card.

11 year old game. Re-installed it a few days ago and playing it again. Love it on 4k but am not too excited about the RT version, which will almost certainly require me to lower my resolution.

First released in October 2007. Just over 15 years ago. You are probably confused with Portal 2.
 

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It's just a gimmick. A 15 year old game that a few people will replay fully, but most will just fire up, play it for 10 minutes and then quit.
11 year old game. Re-installed it a few days ago and playing it again. Love it on 4k but am not too excited about the RT version, which will almost certainly require me to lower my resolution.
I played it for a couple hours last night. Last played it at launch, so it is about time for another play through. I didn’t have to lower my resolution, though for this type of game, I am fine with the 30-40fps my setup gets at 3440x1440, which is the resolution of my OLED monitor.

My biggest complaint is the crashes.

Note that you can tweak all the settings to come up with the desired framerate.

NVIDIA RTX remix is going to be awesome when it comes out.