Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[TESKATLIPOKA]

No, because people are apparently willing to pay that amount of money. The market for +$999 video cards has become a large enough segment to justify the 4080 and 4090 to exist, and if you compare these cards with the 3090 or 3090Ti, or the covid GPU prices, then performance/$ has increased.

But if performance /$ does not increase next gen, then the price will have to be $2400 for a 4090 owner to upgrade to a 5090, just to get 50% better performance, and those with a 4080 are not going to buy a 5080 with 4090 performance at same price of a 4090. At some point they can't raise the price ceiling, as they have done with current generation. I also seriously doubt it will be easy for them to sell newer video cards in the sub $600 market if performance/$ does not increase.

We will see with Ada106 and Ada107 how much perf/$ will improve.
I expect ~50-60% higher performance for full Ada107 than desktop RTX 3050 or ~10-15% over RTX 3060. Their "official" MRSP was $249 and $329.
Currently, I can buy MSI RTX 3060 Ventus for €341.90.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Supposedly Ada107 Ada106 performance leak. TPU

edit: @jpiniero thanks, my mistake

 

[jpiniero]

Supposedly Ada107 performance leak. TPU

AD106 you mean. Maybe nVidia is considering releasing the desktop 4060 Ti as a full die product...

 

[MrTeal]

What is that 2nd to last PCIE row? Is AD106 only Gen4 x8?

 

[DeathReborn]

What is that 2nd to last PCIE row? Is AD106 only Gen4 x8?

That would be Data Throughput of the PCIe slot, basically as good as PCIe 3 x16 but half as good as PCIe 4 x16.

 

[MrTeal]

That's what I figured, so it must be x8. I didn't realize that was going to be the case for AD106.

It'll be interesting to see what performance is like for someone running Comet Lake or something else where they can only run 3.0.

 

[gdansk]

If accurate then the performance seems perfectly fine but it'll be the pricing that disappoints.

 

[Aapje]

If accurate then the performance seems perfectly fine but it'll be the pricing that disappoints.

Story of this generation.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1620145419329368064

At 2475 for stock boost, that would be right at the 3080's stock FP32 compute performance (29 TF)

So yeah it's looking like 3080 performance for 3080 price.

But will it have 3070 levels of VRAM to kneecap it?

 

[jpiniero]

But will it have 3070 levels of VRAM to kneecap it?

It's 10 or 12 GB.

 

[biostud]

What is expected to launch at the $450-$550 range, which now has to compete with 6800 and 6800XT both with 16GB Vram in the same price range?

 

[jpiniero]

What is expected to launch at the $450-$550 range, which now has to compete with 6800 and 6800XT both with 16GB Vram in the same price range?

6050?

 

[biostud]

6050?

From the 4xxx series? 4070?

 

[jpiniero]

From the 4xxx series? 4070?

The $499 card is probally the 4060.

4070 $699
4060 Ti $599
4060 $499

 

[biostud]

The $499 card is probally the 4060.

4070 $699
4060 Ti $599
4060 $499

But is going to be any way near a 6800?

 

[jpiniero]

But is going to be any way near a 6800?

No. That would be the 4060 Ti.

 

[MrTeal]

$500 for a 4060 is too much even for Nvidia. I could see the 4060 Ti launching at that or slightly below, but not the 4060.

4070 really doesn't seem that bad. Good amount of GDDR6X, and the 192 bit bus shouldn't hurt it at 4k like it does the Ti with the lower number of shaders. If it launches at $599 it won't be an absolute disaster.

 

[jpiniero]

$500 for a 4060 is too much even for Nvidia. I could see the 4060 Ti launching at that or slightly below, but not the 4060.

4070 really doesn't seem that bad. Good amount of GDDR6X, and the 192 bit bus shouldn't hurt it at 4k like it does the Ti with the lower number of shaders. If it launches at $599 it won't be an absolute disaster.

Reason I priced it that way was because the 3070 was $100 cheaper than the 3070 Ti and the 3060 Ti $100 cheaper than the 3070.

 

[Mopetar]

30%? With DLSS 3.0 we're getting 100%.

Since the performance increase that NVidia is touting is largely made up of fake frames, would they be amenable to me paying for the cost increase in Monopoly money?

 

[maddie]

Since the performance increase that NVidia is touting is largely made up of fake frames, would they be amenable to me paying for the cost increase in Monopoly money?

Like this saying?

“they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work”

 

[DeathReborn]

From the 4xxx series? 4070?

I have seen (but can't remember where) that the 4070 will be sub $500. Big price gaps already exist in the 40 series so another won't be out of place.

 

[jpiniero]

I have seen (but can't remember where) that the 4070 will be sub $500. Big price gaps already exist in the 40 series so another won't be out of place.

That was just speculation on Videocardz part because of rumors it's comparable to 3070-3070 Ti in performance.

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 expected to launch in April - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 in April We have some exclusive information on RTX 4070 graphics card. NVIDIA has just shared updated embargo information for the upcoming GeForce RTX 4070 non-Ti model. The company did not provide any date as yet, but they informed board partners that the launch should happen...

videocardz.com

4070's launch scheduled for April. There's also apparently 2 variants of the non-FE version.

 

[MrTeal]

The 250 and 251, I would imagine the latter the updated version that doesn't require the external comparator circuit for the fan, similar to the 4070 Ti's A104-251.

 

[jpiniero]

GeForce RTX 4090 & 4080 Laptop GPU: Gaming-Notebooks im Test

GeForce RTX 4000 gibt es jetzt auch im Notebook. ComputerBase hat RTX 4090 Laptop GPU und RTX 4080 Laptop GPU mit je 150+25 W im Test.

www.computerbase.de

4090 Laptop review. Interestingly they found a 10% difference between dGPU only and "MSHybrid"

Either way it's a lot faster than Ampere mobile.