Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[GodisanAtheist]

I would say it was more about competition when they did it before. RX 5700/XT were the main target, and the 2060/2070 Super cards, even launched the same week, to blunt that launch.

-Nah, that doesn't explain the 2080 Super, which was a 5% bump off a card that AMD couldn't touch already.

NV competes with themselves, a mid-gen refresh just gets people looking again and is a good opportunity to offer more performance for the same price (NEVER DROP PRICES!) during a dud generation.

 

[Heartbreaker]

-Nah, that doesn't explain the 2080 Super, which was a 5% bump off a card that AMD couldn't touch already.

NV competes with themselves, a mid-gen refresh just gets people looking again and is a good opportunity to offer more performance for the same price (NEVER DROP PRICES!) during a dud generation.

Once they bumped the 2070, they needed to readjust the 2080 to keep them from getting too close, but it's clear the real point was the 2060s/2070s to compete with 5700/5700XT.

Unless you think it was a coincidence that they launched card adjustments that moved the NVidia card performance ahead of 5700/XT, the same week as 5700/XT Launch ???

All the adjustments were minor, but they moved the 2060s/2070S ahead of the 5700/5700XT. Which was the main point.

But 2070S was now only 6% away from 2080, making the latter superfluous. 2080S increased that gap back to 12%.

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-founders-edition/images/relative-performance_2560-1440.png

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Once they bumped the 2070, they needed to readjust the 2080 to keep them from getting too close, but it's clear the real point was the 2060s/2070s to compete with 5700/5700XT.

Unless you think it was a coincidence that they launched card adjustments that moved the NVidia card performance ahead of 5700/XT, the same week as 5700/XT Launch ???

All the adjustments were minor, but they moved the 2060s/2070S ahead of the 5700/5700XT. Which was the main point.

But 2070S was now only 6% away from 2080, making the latter superfluous. 2080S increased that gap back to 12%.

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-founders-edition/images/relative-performance_2560-1440.png

-NV didn't have a whole line-up of Super Cards ready to go from thin air. It was always going to be their mid-gen refresh on one of their more poorly selling generations.

Pricing might have been adjusted to better compete with the 5700xt, but the cards certainly weren't in response to AMD but in response to their own generation that wasn't selling because of no movement on price performance and slow uptake of RT.

 

[Heartbreaker]

-NV didn't have a whole line-up of Super Cards ready to go from thin air. It was always going to be their mid-gen refresh on one of their more poorly selling generations.

Pricing might have been adjusted to better compete with the 5700xt, but the cards certainly weren't in response to AMD but in response to their own generation that wasn't selling because of no movement on price performance and slow uptake of RT.

You really think it's coincidence that 2060s, 2070s dropped right on top of 5700/XT launch?

 

[Tigerick]

No Super for RTX4000 series, I am calling it.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

You really think it's coincidence that 2060s, 2070s dropped right on top of 5700/XT launch?

-The timing and price? Sure, stealing AMD's thunder, won't argue that.

The fact that the Super series launched at all? To boost flagging RTX 2000 sales.

Sounds like RTX 4000 series is in a sort of similar position, not moving the $/P needle and people aren't buying in droves. Additionally, the parts that were released leave a lot of room for a refreshed part since many of them are only partially enabled.

 

[gdansk]

No Super for RTX4000 series, I am calling it.

It's believable - but to be clear do you simply mean the name or no new parts upsetting their lineup?
I still hope for a 4080 Ti and a 4080 to $1000 price cut.

 

[Tigerick]

It's believable - but to be clear do you simply mean the name or no new parts upsetting their lineup?
I still hope for a 4080 Ti and a 4080 to $1000 price cut.

Yep, that's what I thought. Just release RTX4080Ti and drop the price of RTX4080 to $999

 

[Heartbreaker]

-The timing and price? Sure, stealing AMD's thunder, won't argue that.

The fact that the Super series launched at all? To boost flagging RTX 2000 sales.

I doubt a ~10% perf uplift generates much excitement to boost sales in general.

It does move from slightly behind 5700/XT to slightly ahead of 5700/XT, to strike a pretty nice marketing blow.

 

[dlerious]

So what's going to be faster, a Ti, a Super, or a Super Ti?

 

[coercitiv]

I doubt a ~10% perf uplift generates much excitement to boost sales in general.

Add 10% to all RDNA3 SKUs. "They fixed the clocks!"

Turing was criticized for sacrificing raster perf, a 10% boost made it feel closer to a true generational jump. Media coverage was positive: "Turing was redeemed."

Add 10% to 4060Ti. Youtubers could finally follow Nvidia's script without immediate apologies towards their audience base.

In a world of stagnation 10% is everything. (even if we all know it's barely anything)

 

[Frenetic Pony]

It's believable - but to be clear do you simply mean the name or no new parts upsetting their lineup?
I still hope for a 4080 Ti and a 4080 to $1000 price cut.

I could see it as a response to the 7800xt, which seems quite popular. But that seems a bit of a stretch, especially when they could just do what they did, which is lower the 4070 by $50 and bundle a game with it.

 

[jpiniero]

It could be:

4080 Ti 20 GB - 24 Gbps memory
(4080 price cut to $999 and/or increase the GDDR6X speed too)
4070 Ti Super 12 GB - 24 Gbps memory
4070 (LE?) 12 GB GDDR6 - replaces 4060 Ti 16 GB

 

[Heartbreaker]

It could be:

4080 Ti 20 GB - 24 Gbps memory
(4080 price cut to $999 and/or increase the GDDR6X speed too)
4070 Ti Super 12 GB - 24 Gbps memory
4070 (LE?) 12 GB GDDR6 - replaces 4060 Ti 16 GB

I'm doubting they will switch to 24 Gbps memory without demonstrated need, and premium pricing for it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I still hope for a 4080 Ti and a 4080 to $1000 price cut.

I think that is the most likely outcome. 4080 is their biggest screwup this gen, and an official price cut would help it. Then there would be room for an AD102 base 4080 Ti with 20 GB. No real need for more costly new memory.

 

[jpiniero]

I think that is the most likely outcome. 4080 is their biggest screwup this gen, and an official price cut would help it. Then there would be room for an AD102 base 4080 Ti with 20 GB. No real need for more costly new memory.

PCI Devices

Looks like indeed the AD103 product is the 4080 Super. Have to think it's more likely that they just stick 24 gbps memory on the 4080 and set the MSRP to $1199 rather than a price cut although perhaps they could cut the 4080 to $999 while supplies last.

 

[Heartbreaker]

AD103 is the 256 bit bus chip that the current 4080 already uses, so that means the 4080 super would still be limited to just 16 GB.

 

[Ajay]

AD103 is the 256 bit bus chip that the current 4080 already uses, so that means the 4080 super would still be limited to just 16 GB.

I suppose NV could just up the memory and GPU clocks - this far into production most chips would clock higher (maybe with a tad bit more voltage).

 

[jpiniero]

AD103 is the 256 bit bus chip that the current 4080 already uses, so that means the 4080 super would still be limited to just 16 GB.

That's correct. The 20 GB model that's been talked about would then be the 4080 Ti. If they decide to release it. Could always charge more than $1199.

 

[MrTeal]

I suppose NV could just up the memory and GPU clocks - this far into production most chips would clock higher (maybe with a tad bit more voltage).

The 4080 is already really pushing its GDDR6X. I could see a fully enabled AD103 (+5%) along with a couple hundred MHz boost to core clocks. It's still a pretty crappy increase for a new SKU, but if it launches at the same price it's better than a kick in the nuts.

 

[Ajay]

The 4080 is already really pushing its GDDR6X. I could see a fully enabled AD103 (+5%) along with a couple hundred MHz boost to core clocks. It's still a pretty crappy increase for a new SKU, but if it launches at the same price it's better than a kick in the nuts.

Well, guess it's a cut down AD102 or nothing then.

 

[jpiniero]

Well, guess it's a cut down AD102 or nothing then.

That's the 4080 Ti.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I still hope for a 4080 Ti and a 4080 to $1000 price cut.

What's the point? They will release 5080 to show how inadequate Ada is, in six months after 4080 Ti.

 

[AdamK47]

Rumors are the 50 series won't be released until 2025.

NVidia has no reason to release a new architecture anytime soon. AI chips are making the vast majority of their revenue. AMD had stated their next generation won't focus on the high end. They have DLSS with all of its fake performance benefits to help placate us.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Rumors are the 50 series won't be released until 2025.

I would actually love that. Let game developers wring maximum performance out of current GPU architectures, rather than freeloading on nextgen performance increases.