Acura tastes failure -- RL

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.

at this sector all of them would drive like a wet sponge anyway so i doubt that's the reason.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.

at this sector all of them would drive like a wet sponge anyway so i doubt that's the reason.

What?~ The Infiniti M, and the RL have both been praised for their handling. They're billed as luxury "sport" sedans by their manufacturers, so of course handling matters. Leave the sponge comments for American saloons like the Crown Victoria or the Lexus LS.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.

at this sector all of them would drive like a wet sponge anyway so i doubt that's the reason.

Yeah but think it still matters. Buyers int his class don't want FWD either.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.

at this sector all of them would drive like a wet sponge anyway so i doubt that's the reason.

Yeah but think it still matters. Buyers int his class don't want FWD either.

It's not FWD, and buyers are never going to know that it's FWD biased AWD, I doubt any of them care. The SH-AWD system is a very capable AWD system.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Eghck
the RL is what I thought the TL was going to be

No.

I dunno I just felt that the RL didn't look like a full size sedan, if I just took a glance at it, I would never have though it would have been their most expensive flagship sedan.

 

[OS]

It does cost too much and the styling is not distinctive and expensive looking. The V6 would not be such a big problem if it were cheaper.

Either way, Honda is a smart company, they will learn from their mistakes.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.

at this sector all of them would drive like a wet sponge anyway so i doubt that's the reason.

What?~ The Infiniti M, and the RL have both been praised for their handling. They're billed as luxury "sport" sedans by their manufacturers, so of course handling matters. Leave the sponge comments for American saloons like the Crown Victoria or the Lexus LS.

comfort can never be combined with handling. you can have either one, but not both.

i guess it's all subjective, but with all that weight on those sedans, it's hard to image any of them being nimble.

 

[GTaudiophile]

LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

i think 2 of their turbo'ed inline 6 from their JGTC GT-500 NSX racecar to make it into a V12 would be more appropriate.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

but VW fanbois wont admit that, although Ryan HATES vw.

Sure they will. I love my VW and I knew that the Phaeton was a mistake from day one. VW should have invested that R&D money in making their other cars better...and they need to move the damn plants out of Mexico.

 

[raildogg]

We get it, Ace Reporter, you're a Toyota guy and you don't like Honda.

Love the subtle way you put it.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

The S2K motor is actually a little dated. A fatter powerband can be achieved with the TSX K24s.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

also the IS350 uses a complicated DOHC valvetrain. The RL is SOHC, the difference in technology level is almost like comparing a civic DX to a civic SI. the fact it makes within ~15 hp with a simpler engine already says something.

The J series engine family is a little dated, but when honda makes a new V6 family, I doubt anyone will be disappointed.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

also the IS350 uses a complicated DOHC valvetrain. The RL is SOHC, the difference in technology level is almost like comparing a civic DX to a civic SI. the fact it makes within ~15 hp with a simpler engine already says something.

The J series engine family is a little dated, but when honda makes a new V6 family, I doubt anyone will be disappointed.

VTECII?:Q

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Linux23

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
LOL. It sucks if your flagship sedan has less power than Lexus' entry-model IS350!

Note to Honda: Take two of those 4-bangers from the S2K and make a 8K-9K RPM V8 with some torque (if possible) then add that really slick 6-speed MT of yours and you might sell some cars.

also the IS350 uses a complicated DOHC valvetrain. The RL is SOHC, the difference in technology level is almost like comparing a civic DX to a civic SI. the fact it makes within ~15 hp with a simpler engine already says something.

The J series engine family is a little dated, but when honda makes a new V6 family, I doubt anyone will be disappointed.

VTECII?:Q

I did read something saying that the 8th gen accord will have honda's next generation valvetrain technology, but who knows how accurate that is. We'll know in another year or so for sure.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: OS
It does cost too much and the styling is not distinctive and expensive looking. The V6 would not be such a big problem if it were cheaper.

Either way, Honda is a smart company, they will learn from their mistakes.

The new RL is worlds better than the 3.5RL it replaced but that car was as bland as they come!

Honda is VERY slow to learn when it comes to luxury sedans it seems.

 

[Random Variable]

I see them everywhere.

 

[daniel1113]

I think the RL is a beautiful car, but then again, I rather enjoy simple designs.

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
death to the japanese manufacturers

death to ignorant

QFIrony

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: OS
It does cost too much and the styling is not distinctive and expensive looking. The V6 would not be such a big problem if it were cheaper.

Either way, Honda is a smart company, they will learn from their mistakes.

The new RL is worlds better than the 3.5RL it replaced but that car was as bland as they come!

Honda is VERY slow to learn when it comes to luxury sedans it seems.

heh true, that car was a joke, it should have been put down a long ass time ago.

 

[Janet Reno]

Originally posted by: Linux23
It's small, it's heavy, it has a gutless V6, and it looks like a gussied up Accord.

Nope, can't see why the sales are slow on this vehicle.

But hey, as their ads say, "I'ts a Honda."

That gutless V6 outpowers most other V6 engines ever made.

The 2005 model was a 300HP/260TQ rated and is extremely smooth. For some reason, nearly all Acura models dropped about 10HP give or take some on all their models for 2006 from 2005. Who else makes higher power out of a V6? The high performance model M3 is 333HP and they tweaked the living crap outta that thing already. Possibly some other brand new designed engines for 2006 might be getting close. I doubt any of them are SOHC though.

The V6 in the M35, the car so many seem to love, is worse. It produces less power, and gets worse mileage while it's at it. Sweet! To boot, the car is lighter than the RL as well. LOL

If you get the M35 AWD, the mileage just gets even lower.

And compared to others in the same AWD category, the RL is just fine for weight.

Sorry, Honda/Acura produce some of the best engines in the world. I'd rather use the V6 in that RL than most other V8s out there at the moment. Not to mention the Acura will hold its value probably better than all the other cars it goes up against, and the engine will live longer.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno

Originally posted by: Linux23
It's small, it's heavy, it has a gutless V6, and it looks like a gussied up Accord.

Nope, can't see why the sales are slow on this vehicle.

But hey, as their ads say, "I'ts a Honda."

That gutless V6 outpowers most other V6 engines ever made.

The 2005 model was a 300HP/260TQ rated and is extremely smooth. For some reason, nearly all Acura models dropped about 10HP give or take some on all their models for 2006 from 2005. Who else makes higher power out of a V6? The high performance model M3 is 333HP and they tweaked the living crap outta that thing already. Possibly some other brand new designed engines for 2006 might be getting close. I doubt any of them are SOHC though.

The V6 in the M35, the car so many seem to love, is worse. It produces less power, and gets worse mileage while it's at it. Sweet! To boot, the car is lighter than the RL as well. LOL

If you get the M35 AWD, the mileage just gets even lower.

And compared to others in the same AWD category, the RL is just fine for weight.

Sorry, Honda/Acura produce some of the best engines in the world. I'd rather use the V6 in that RL than most other V8s out there at the moment. Not to mention the Acura will hold its value probably better than all the other cars it goes up against, and the engine will live longer.

The GS owns it in just about every possible way...including resale value.

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
death to the japanese manufacturers

death to ignorant

HA! pwn3d by your own ignorancei.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Here's another "six" to compare it to...

3.4L Flat-6
295 HP @ 6250 RPM
250 lb.-ft. @ 4400-6000 RPM
EPA 20/28 (city/hwy)

Porsche Cayman S

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Here's another "six" to compare it to...

3.4L Flat-6
295 HP @ 6250 RPM
250 lb.-ft. @ 4400-6000 RPM
EPA 20/28 (city/hwy)

Porsche Cayman S

weak, especially for a DOHC motor. The NSX made that kind of power with less displacement 10 years ago.