Acura tastes failure -- RL

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916
Taking stuff away and lowering the price isn't going to help much. They should lower the price and not remove features. For 50K I can get a M35 with whole extras than the RL.

Actually - the M45 AWD sedan costs more than the RL if you match it with the same STANDARD features as the RL.

The only difference I see is the navigation system and "premium radio". I could live without either one 😛.

 

[Pocatello]

RWD, V-8, try it.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916
Taking stuff away and lowering the price isn't going to help much. They should lower the price and not remove features. For 50K I can get a M35 with whole extras than the RL.

Actually - the M45 AWD sedan costs more than the RL if you match it with the same STANDARD features as the RL.

I said the M35 not the M45.

The M45 is a V8.

Sorry - I was talking about the M35 (the M45 doesn't come with AWD). If you price the AWD model on Infiniti's website, it comes out ot be more than the RL.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916
Taking stuff away and lowering the price isn't going to help much. They should lower the price and not remove features. For 50K I can get a M35 with whole extras than the RL.

Actually - the M45 AWD sedan costs more than the RL if you match it with the same STANDARD features as the RL.

The only difference I see is the navigation system and "premium radio". I could live without either one 😛.

And that's the reason Honda needs to offer the RL in a lesser trim - not everyone cares about the technology features. I'm sure if they did offer one with less features, the RL would have no sales problems. The majority of Lexus' sales of the GS sedan, and Infiniti's M are lower end V6 models.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916
Taking stuff away and lowering the price isn't going to help much. They should lower the price and not remove features. For 50K I can get a M35 with whole extras than the RL.

Actually - the M45 AWD sedan costs more than the RL if you match it with the same STANDARD features as the RL.

I said the M35 not the M45.

The M45 is a V8.

Sorry - I was talking about the M35 (the M45 doesn't come with AWD). If you price the AWD model on Infiniti's website, it comes out ot be more than the RL.

No, the Infiniti AWD with Technology Package is cheaper than the RL with tech package.

 

[Ryan]

The M35 AWD base is 43K, by adding the Technology package, you're forced to add the Journey package also - which brings the price to $50,940.00.

Go online and configure it - you'll see.

 

[Fingolfin269]

The Infiniti M pwns the Acura RL in every way so it doesn't even matter. It's worth the small amount of price difference either way. 😛

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Ryan
The M35 AWD base is 43K, by adding the Technology package, you're forced to add the Journey package also - which brings the price to $50,940.00.

Go online and configure it - you'll see.

The RL with Technology package is 53,000.

 

[DeviousTrap]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

but VW fanbois wont admit that, although Ryan HATES vw.

 

[PokerGuy]

I really liked the RL, but for that price tag I would have gone with a much more stylish looking MB or Lexus. I went with a TL and I'm thrilled about it.......

The RL is a great vehicle, but I'm not surprised they're having a tough time selling it at that price.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DVK916
Taking stuff away and lowering the price isn't going to help much. They should lower the price and not remove features. For 50K I can get a M35 with whole extras than the RL.

Actually - the M45 AWD sedan costs more than the RL if you match it with the same STANDARD features as the RL.

I said the M35 not the M45.

The M45 is a V8.

Sorry - I was talking about the M35 (the M45 doesn't come with AWD). If you price the AWD model on Infiniti's website, it comes out ot be more than the RL.

No, the Infiniti AWD with Technology Package is cheaper than the RL with tech package.

Ah - I forgot that Acura added the Technology Package for 2006. they should have just made the package standard equipment. :thumbsdown:

 

[HardcoreRobot]

its too bad, bc its a nice car! its competition is too!

 

[Skunkwourk]

the RL is what I thought the TL was going to be

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

The point I was trying to make was that the Luxury market is very complex - I don't think the failure of the RL is directly due to it's engine, but due mostly to it's price.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Eghck
the RL is what I thought the TL was going to be

😕 No.

 

[Babbles]

I am not too surprised either, with that price point and not having a V8 is sort of a turn off in addition to only having one package offered.

Win some, lose some I suppose.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

but VW fanbois wont admit that, although Ryan HATES vw.

I don't hate VW, I just like poking at the VW Fanboys at the Vortex who seem to have no reason to be Fanboys other than to justify purchasing their $20K+ piece of overengineered german metal.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

but VW fanbois wont admit that, although Ryan HATES vw.

I never figured why vw wou;dnt sell the phaeton as the a8 and maybethe entry level bentley and leave it at that.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Babbles
I am not too surprised either, with that price point and not having a V8 is sort of a turn off in addition to only having one package offered.

Win some, lose some I suppose.

It's not just the V8 though - Like I said before, the vast majority of Lexus' sales of the GS sedan, and Infiniti's M are lower end V6 models.

 

[Dragoon42]

Originally posted by: KLin
If I'm going to spend 50 G's on a luxury car, I want it to have a v8.

wow...i didn't know the RL was so pricey

 

[Linux23]

It's small, it's heavy, it has a gutless V6, and it looks like a gussied up Accord.

Nope, can't see why the sales are slow on this vehicle.

But hey, as their ads say, "I'ts a Honda."

😛

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wait, you mean consumers are smart enough to see through the marketing and realize that Acura is trying to sell them a luxed up AWD Accord for 50K?
No pain, no gain. If Acura doesn't want to put in the effort to develop a v8 and rwd sedan platform, it doesn't deserve to be successful in this market.

Haha - then how do you explain the HORRIBLE failure of the VW Phaeton if all it requires is to have RWD and a V8 to be successful?

The Phaeton failed because it's made by VW and nobody could justify a >$60k VW. It would have sold had it been under a different brand name.

The point I was trying to make was that the Luxury market is very complex - I don't think the failure of the RL is directly due to it's engine, but due mostly to it's price.

I also doubt it is the engine, look at the M35 and M45 if the engine was so important the M45 would be selling better than the M35, but it isn't. The M35 is out selling it by more than 2 to 1.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: KLin
If I'm going to spend 50 G's on a luxury car, I want it to have a v8.

If I'm going to spend 50 G's on a luxury car that gets high teens to low 20's in mpg, I want it to have a V8 and not be based on a FWD Accord and look like one as well.

 

[mercanucaribe]

FWD platform FTL! All the competitors except Audi are RWD based.. and Audi doesn't do too well either.