Acts of savagery by savages

[Doppel]

Actually...

Israel has 24/7/52 air surveillance, they know where it is, when and if it's moved, all that a spy could contribute would be direct location of ramps but that happens with smaller teams so there would have to be thousands of spies to make a difference, Al Qassam has made a point of being a larger group acting individually to achieve a main goal.

Most of the world NEVER had a problem with the US until Iraq, Western europe was lining up for Afghanistan, i have met Norwegians, Belgians, even Swedes who are not part of Nato were there to show their support for the US after 9/11.

Iraq was a ton of bricks on the worlds heads, it was the US telling the world, FUCK YOU WE DON'T CARE (or, regardless of how much we lie, you should be with us or you are against us).

Before Iraq the US was held in high regard in Western Europe, in a crowd of 1000, 990 of them would praise the US as a great nation that has done a lot of good and is one of the best nations in the world, now you will get 10 in that crowd and it is JUST because of Iraq.

I seriously don't think Americans have a clue how much that meant to the world, that the US disregarded international law, that you didn't trust the inspectors, that you went to the UN with Powell who stood up there sweating like a pig while being laughed at for the idiocy he tried to sell that he didn't even believe in himself.

It was what made the US the nation of stupid people, that you believed in that shit, that you actually pissed away all the worlds support you had for absolutely NOTHING.

Do you know the technical definition of a nation who disregards international laws to pursue interests not justified? A rogue nation.

There is a lot of truth to this. Unfortunately many Americans hold a f you I don't care about what you think, which hurts the country. America is a bit of a laughing stock to the world at the moment and iraq is a major part of it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

it's guerrilla warfare basically. they have no means to take on the military so target what they can. they are at war and have been since they were kicked off their lands. there's never been a rule that says if you don't have an army anymore then you can't fight. you make do and that's what hamas is doing.

in the end though (as many people have said across many topics like this in these forums) i don't care what either side do to each other. settlers harass and attack palestinians for not wanting to leave their land, hamas kills innocent israelis. there are innocents on both sides and there are people that deserve whatever happens to them on both sides.

in other words - fuck em both. let me know when the dust settles and i can on holiday.

We fought the Britts indian fashion in the revolution something The king didn't like at all targeting the officers and all . The officers being gentleman and all . LOL. Swamp fox swamp fox hiding in the grass long came a redcoat and shot him in the ass.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

John, are you a jew?

By heritage, not by religion.

Though i can honestly say that if Israel did wrong here and IF they were offered peace and did not take it you can bet your arse i would be damning them for it.

The request was an end of hostilities towards Israeli civilians, the request was denied, consequences will follow.

Lets say you go to the zoo every day and throw stones at a tiger, one day you step in there and the fence is gone, are you going to blame the tiger for mauling you?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There is a lot of truth to this. Unfortunately many Americans hold a f you I don't care about what you think, which hurts the country. America is a bit of a laughing stock to the world at the moment and iraq is a major part of it.

It's the ONLY part of it actually, the rest just followed, we wouldn't have thought of making fun of you in all the other ways if it hadn't been for that. Not the UK perhaps but most of Europe looked to the US as the example of a nation which had it all, freedom, prosperity and we were all allies.

With the whole with us or against us you ended that, NATO goes on but it's mere coincidence if we agree with you and if you say something we'll check five times before we believe you now.

It's not just the nation, the people are different too because of it, we all hear how fucked Europe is, Americans say it five times a day in every forum, how great the US is and how bad EU is with our Muslims and yet we have fewer than you do and the ONLY reason we have so fucking many is because you invaded Iraq, where do you think the refugees ended up? Not in the US, that is for sure.

You took no responsibility for that either, the EU nations were fucking struck with millions upon millions of refugees and the US didn't say sheit about it, Italy had all of it's camps flooded with refugees and one city in Sweden of 12000 inhabitants took on more refugees than ALL of the Americas.

Meanwhile the Muslim world doesn't discriminate, we're still against them and a load of Americans think we are against the US too because we won't jump when told to jump.

Things won't settle down on this either, it's been 10 years and Obama has made no efforts either. You have to realize one thing, we don't support NATO because of US interests anymore, if the US were attacked again, you would probably have to go in alone, i doubt even we (UK) would offer to help you.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We fought the Britts indian fashion in the revolution something The king didn't like at all targeting the officers and all . The officers being gentleman and all . LOL. Swamp fox swamp fox hiding in the grass long came a redcoat and shot him in the ass.

LOLOLLOLLOOOL

teh fernch won teh wra for yuo!

Gave you a statue with a message you have yet to decode and understand it seems.

 

[Lemon law]

As again JOS is clueless by saying, "Do you know the technical definition of a nation who disregards international laws to pursue interests not justified? A rogue nation."

The Palestinian people are not a nation, and Israel does not recognize the Palestinians as a nation. If the Palestinians were a nation, Israel would have to recognize them as a nation with human rights and the right of self determination.

But somehow Israel uses a bogus and perpetual military occupation of their lands that Israel does not own in any way.

As the proper international law definition of the Palestinian people is and remains an occupied people who under international law have every legitimate international law and the right to oppose their occupiers who have no legitimate international right to occupy
lands they don't own.

Later this month, the non violent Palestinians of Fatah are expected to go to the UN and request an upgrade in their Status to an observer nation, it still won't make them a full nation, but if the Pals in the West Bank and East Jerusalem ever receive full nation Status, they can say to Israel, get out and stay out of the West Bank and Easdt Jerusalem. Don't pass go, don't collect $200's, just get out and don't go away mad just like the people in India said to you Brits in 1948.

Maybe JOS, you should pick up a history book or two to learn how fast international law changes over the course of time.

Its the golden rule, they who have the gold make the rules until too many people scream bullshit.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

As again JOS is clueless by saying, "Do you know the technical definition of a nation who disregards international laws to pursue interests not justified? A rogue nation."

The Palestinian people are not a nation, and Israel does not recognize the Palestinians as a nation. If the Palestinians were a nation, Israel would have to recognize them as a nation with human rights and the right of self determination.

I was talking about the US going into Iraq there.

Nice to know you can't quote as well as you can't read nor understand.

Regarding the Palestinians, no one would want a two state solution more than Israel, but the elected officials of the Palestinians have a stated goal of eradicating Israel.

I don't mind the PA but they have about as much authority as you do, you can kick and scream and shout but it won't help as long as the only elected government body of the Palestinians is Hamas.

Fix that and i'll lend you an ear, until then and for as long as the terrorism continues, you and me have nothing to talk about.

Is that clear?

 

[SandEagle]

If only Judge Judy would bring the Israelis and the Palestinians on to her show.

the Israelis would........

*puts on sunglasses*

STEAL the show!

YYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA!HHH!!!!!

 

[SandEagle]

A fascist who hates Jews and is a holocaust denier...

Yup, the shoe fits so he gets to wear it.

lol. fascist, holocaust denier, jew hater. what else? antisemite? feminist? narcissist? goat herder? what? your name-calling tirade and shenanigans are getting old. grow up fry cook.

when the law is against you, argue the facts.
when the facts are against you, argue the law.
when both are against you, attack the plaintiff.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

lol. fascist, holocaust denier, jew hater. what else? antisemite? feminist? narcissist? goat herder? what? your name-calling tirade and shenanigans are getting old. grow up fry cook.

when the law is against you, argue the facts.
when the facts are against you, argue the law.
when both are against you, attack the plaintiff.

ALL of it if the shoe fits.

International law is for Israels right to defend itself, so...

FACTS state that Hamas is a terrorist organisation that only targets civilians and has sent tens of thousands of rockets to detonate amongst civilians in Israel since 2006, they have also bombed restaurants and buses since then.

When there are two sides and you choose to defend the terrorists i have a bit of lee way of what i should call you, especially when you have previously posted jew hoaxes and other crap like that.

There is no doubt that you are a terrorist sympathizing jew hating scumbag, i doubt you even doubt that yourself but according to Islam deception of the enemy is something to praise so there you go, dipshit.

Hamas lost, Israel won, when Iran starts getting to uppity, Iran will lose too, there was never any question about this.

Israel could take on ALL arab nations and none of them would be inhabitable afterwards, unfortunately Israel does it's DAMNDEST to save civilians with leaflets and precision strikes, if they went the Hamas way, kill everyone they can target there would be no arabs at all.

 

[SandEagle]

ALL of it if the shoe fits.

International law is for Israels right to defend itself, so...

FACTS state that Hamas is a terrorist organisation that only targets civilians and has sent tens of thousands of rockets to detonate amongst civilians in Israel since 2006, they have also bombed restaurants and buses since then.

When there are two sides and you choose to defend the terrorists i have a bit of lee way of what i should call you, especially when you have previously posted jew hoaxes and other crap like that.

There is no doubt that you are a terrorist sympathizing jew hating scumbag, i doubt you even doubt that yourself but according to Islam deception of the enemy is something to praise so there you go, dipshit.

Hamas lost, Israel won, when Iran starts getting to uppity, Iran will lose too, there was never any question about this.

Israel could take on ALL arab nations and none of them would be inhabitable afterwards, unfortunately Israel does it's DAMNDEST to save civilians with leaflets and precision strikes, if they went the Hamas way, kill everyone they can target there would be no arabs at all.

tl; dr.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

the Israelis would........

*puts on sunglasses*

STEAL the show!

YYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA!HHH!!!!!

Yeah, cuz Jews are greedy and steal...

Nazi boy has nazi claims of Jewish traditions...

How utterly unsurprising.

What is next? Chinks are lasist too?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

tl; dr.

That only works when you don't read it, i know you read it but why would you comment on it when it proves you wrong, best to ignore contradictory info that doesn't jive with your predetermined truth.

It's to be expected from the likes of you, why would you be different from the other pedo worshippers?

 

[SandEagle]

ALL of it if the shoe fits.

International law (1) is for Israels right to defend itself, so...

FACTS state that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (2) that only targets civilians and has sent tens of thousands of rockets to detonate amongst civilians in Israel since 2006, they have also bombed restaurants and buses since then.

When there are two sides and you choose to defend the terrorists i have a bit of lee way of what i should call you, especially when you have previously posted jew hoaxes (3) and other crap like that.

There is no doubt that you are a terrorist sympathizing jew hating scumbag, i doubt you even doubt that yourself but according to Islam deception of the enemy (4) is something to praise so there you go, dipshit.

Hamas lost, Israel won, when Iran starts getting to uppity, Iran will lose too, there was never any question about this.

Israel could take on ALL arab nations (5) and none of them would be inhabitable afterwards, unfortunately Israel does it's DAMNDEST to save civilians with leaflets and precision strikes, if they went the Hamas way, kill everyone they can target there would be no arabs at all.

1) Israel has violated over 200 international laws. Palestine, zero.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42168&Cr=Palestin&Cr1=#.UK1r9IYRrwQ

2) Hamas was created by Israel in the 1970s. Not every country lists it as a terrist organization

3) Show me one proof of these jew hoaxes and i will leave P&N forever.

4) "by way of deception, thou shalt do war". Mossad motto.

5) LOL

6) eat my foot.

 

[tommo123]

Akin to someone saying: I'm not man enough to fight you but i will rape your baby sister instead.

Let's not forget that Hamas has STATED that they shall eradicate Israel.

Imagine if Israels ruling party had stated that... You'd cry and cry and whine and whine and whine more.

You are a pathetic idiot, these are terrorists attacking defenseless civilians and you are on THEIR SIDE against those who have done NOTHING for a long fucking time until enough IS ENOUGH AND THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEIR OWN CIVILIANS.

FUCK YOU and every other fucking nazi boi wannabee on here, this isn't fucking up for opinion, you get tens of thousands of attacks (tens of thousands of rockets) on your civilian population for having the gall to end the occupation, tear down all settlements and give the Gaza strip back to the Palestinians and eventually you HAVE TO END THE TERRORISM.

Israel has been SO patient, more so than ANY OTHER NATION IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, they have gone through EXTRAORDINARY MEANS TO LIMIT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES by dropping flyers and using Twitter to alert the civilian population to get out of the area where the terrorists fire rockets from...

And here we have Hamas threatening the population with severe consequences if they become traitors and leave areas where Hamas are active, Hamas storing explosives in hospitals, firing rockets from the rooftops of journalist houses and near Mosques, all violations of international law, all to get civilians hurt so they can go pallywood and parade the victims they all wanted.

The worst enemy of all Palestinians isn't Israel, it's Hamas, most Palestinians know that now too from what i understand.

Arming the right groups in the Palestinian conflict might get rid of Hamas, but then again, that would be a war crime that would actually do the Palestinians some good for once in their history.

sorry mr delusional. israelis kill palestinian innocents and palestinians kill israeli innocents. grow up and look at it from both sides. this was something that might *might* have been solved 60 odd years ago. Now? it's a clusterfuck that will either continue as is or end with major death on both sides.

as for the top comment - seriously? there is no palestine nation due to israel and the US. how can they have an army without one? they have fighters and they do the best they can with the only weapon they have - terrorism.

We (brits) had a plan to (in case the germans invaded mainland brit) to have caches of weapons and "cells" that were independent of each other to fight a guerrilla war against the nazis - and kill those who helped the germans. does that sound familiar to you? homeland invaded, kill sympathisers and kill any of the enemy that you can (soldier or civillian) via terrorism?

We fought the Britts indian fashion in the revolution something The king didn't like at all targeting the officers and all . The officers being gentleman and all . LOL. Swamp fox swamp fox hiding in the grass long came a redcoat and shot him in the ass.

you fought that way since that was the only method you had. a war of attrition and to try and kill your enemies desire to fight via the high price of war. a valid and tried and tested method. problem in israel is 2 stubborn people who want the same land but 1 has the upper hand thanks to a generous 3rd party (the US).

as i said before - this will not end well but both sides are responsible for what their leaders have done - and will do. same as we brits and americans are responsible for what bush/blair did and the attrocities and mass murder we allowed them to carry out in wars based on lies.

 

[openwheel]

wait, you mean we don't do that? Oh wait...

 

[khon]

That's how collaborators have been dealt with throughout history.

+1

 

[pauldun170]

the Israelis would........

*puts on sunglasses*

STEAL the show!

YYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA!HHH!!!!!

lol

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

sorry mr delusional. israelis kill palestinian innocents and palestinians kill israeli innocents. grow up and look at it from both sides. this was something that might *might* have been solved 60 odd years ago. Now? it's a clusterfuck that will either continue as is or end with major death on both sides.(

Hello Mr uneducated utter RETARD, there is always one of you in every debate and i shall adress you as i adress the likes of you in every debate.

Targeting of missile launch sites and storage of weapons that are ONLY meant to attack civilians with are made by the Israelis, they use fliers and overhead precision strikes to limit casualties, meanwhile Hamas threaten those who dare move and we've seen what happens to them, dragged out into the street and executed by Hamas, no trial, no jury, no nothing, they don't need to the only reason they need to do it is that they moved out of the way.

In short you retarded wise and beautiful woman, Hamas has a stated charter that is WRITTEN which they were ELECTED UPON that states that the end goal is the eradication of all Jews and the state of Israel.

They have sent tenths of thousands of rockets targeting ONLY civilians (i'm sure you would be cool if Mexico had done this in your neighbourhood since your nation is occupying Tejas which is Mexican ground) along with suicide bombers.

This could have been solved at it's inception had the Arabs accepted the two state solution, they didn't because the neighbouring nations were confident that they could just win the land in a war and kill all the Jews, they failed, FIVE TIMES, Israel gave most of the land back and about 100% of those living in the "Palestinian" areas are actually Jordans and Syrians who were not let back into Jordan and Syria, ALL of the Palestinians live Israel or in refugee camps in Gaza/West Bank, Jordan, Syria and Egypt and the PA will NOT grant the ones living in their refugee camps land in a two state solution because they consider them Egyptians (they are not welcome there though).

If you want to see bad treatment of actual Palestinians, look to Jordan, Syria, Egypt and the West Bank, they are in fucking heaven in Israel in comparison and they have all rights there while they have NO rights in any Arab nation or in the West Bank.

You haven't got a fucking clue what you are talking about.

I could easily write ten pages about this situation but you're not going to understand any of it anyway so why bother, all you know is that Jew=bad and that is good enough for you.

Meanwhile, Muslims killed about 600 Muslims in Syria... no one cares, can't stick it to Israel so it's uninteresting.

 

[pauldun170]

Well, you're right about the American part, unfortunately i get no such luck since i'm British and ever since our colonial days we have an extra sharp eye pointed right in our direction.

International laws were based on Magna Carta, so were English laws and US constitution was based on our law so... it'll be hard to argue against it based on your constitutional law.

There are states laws and federal laws that are overreaching (if you ask me) that you can use though.

Screw you and your speed cameras. Thats all I have to say about that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

1) Israel has violated over 200 international laws. Palestine, zero.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42168&Cr=Palestin&Cr1=#.UK1r9IYRrwQ

2) Hamas was created by Israel in the 1970s. Not every country lists it as a terrist organization

3) Show me one proof of these jew hoaxes and i will leave P&N forever.

4) "by way of deception, thou shalt do war". Mossad motto.

5) LOL

6) eat my foot.

1. lol, yeah, terrorism is legally supported and defending your UN given borders is not. Do you understand the difference between law and protest?

2. No, it was created in occupied areas in the 1980's other than that, well it seems you're just making shit up now.

3. i forgot what we were talking about.

4. Absolutely correct, but it's also part of the Muslim faith to decieve your enemies.

5. olo

6. Why would i? If i was alkemyst i would say that your mum is licking mine and you admire him as your hero so perhaps this will bring a chuckle.

Regarding this whole situation, there is NO doubt and Ban Ki Moon has stated as much, that Israel has every right to defend herself against the terrorist attacks waged against her.

If you want my honest opinion... kill them all, wipe them out and be done with it once and for all.

They don't understand anything less and the attacks on civilians will continue as long as these savages are alive, they need to be shown the way to Allah via the end of a barrel.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Screw you and your speed cameras. Thats all I have to say about that.

Speed cameras can't record anything going above 180 anyway so i don't worry about them.

And i only speed on my bike, what fun is it to speed to deliver your granddaughter to daycare?

 

[pauldun170]

One thing I've noticed is that the worst people to talk to about the Israeli\Palestinian situation are Israelis and Palestinians (folks who actually live there).

They don't get as animated and rage faced as everyone else does.
Its no fun
Maybe one day the welfare rats religious nuts in Israel and boy fucker religious nuts in will blow up and normal Israelis and Palestinians can have the sexy time.

 

[pauldun170]

Speed cameras can't record anything going above 180 anyway so i don't worry about them.

And i only speed on my bike, what fun is it to speed to deliver your granddaughter to daycare?

Whatcha ya got?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Whatcha ya got?

Honda 1100XX - 07

It's not a nice bike to ride, i kinda hate it because it has a temper that makes me go "oh YEAH, well we'll see ABOUT THAT BITCH!"

It's especially nice when the turbo glips at 6000 in the middle of pulling out of a curve...

It's an evil bike, never buy one, it's not fun to drive, it's fucking ridiculous is what it is, buy something with a sweet calm temper, like a Hayabusa or something like that.