Acts of savagery by savages

[JohnOfSheffield]

One thing I've noticed is that the worst people to talk to about the Israeli\Palestinian situation are Israelis and Palestinians (folks who actually live there).

They don't get as animated and rage faced as everyone else does.
Its no fun
Maybe one day the welfare rats religious nuts in Israel and boy fucker religious nuts in will blow up and normal Israelis and Palestinians can have the sexy time.

They are tired of it and mostly want to live in peace.

Which makes no sense... they elected Hamas who vowed to war until Israel was destroyed.

Do that and expect peace? Yeah... not too fucking bright..

 

[pauldun170]

They are tired of it and mostly want to live in peace.

Which makes no sense... they elected Hamas who vowed to war until Israel was destroyed.

Do that and expect peace? Yeah... not too fucking bright..

They elected Hamas because they actually did something for the locals like get medical supplies, community services and stuff governments are supposed to be doing for the populace. Unfortunately a lot of folks in Hamas are insane. At least so I hear.

 

[Lemon law]

I was talking about the US going into Iraq there.

Nice to know you can't quote as well as you can't read nor understand.

Regarding the Palestinians, no one would want a two state solution more than Israel, but the elected officials of the Palestinians have a stated goal of eradicating Israel.

I don't mind the PA but they have about as much authority as you do, you can kick and scream and shout but it won't help as long as the only elected government body of the Palestinians is Hamas.

Fix that and i'll lend you an ear, until then and for as long as the terrorism continues, you and me have nothing to talk about.

Is that clear?

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JOS you must be confused and totally delusional if you think, that I as an American citizen, I ever supported the GWB&co invasion of Iraq?

After than you and I differ totally on mid-east issues.

You crazy man JOS if you think Israel can sustain itself by trying to alienate 300 million angry Arabs simply by assuming Uncle sucker will always back them no matter how stupid they act? 300 millions against only 6.5 Israeli Jews????????????????

Even the founding father of Israel in David ben Gurion realized, once Israel reached the point of being able to defend itself, it was time to switch gears and make friends in the Arab Neighborhood.

Lots of nations through history played the same cards, and where are they now? Where is Rome, where are the Japs, where is the Hitler you somehow think I worship, and may I add where are you Brits and other former colonial powers? Pardon me if I don't want to see the USA go down the same toilet you Brits have already gone down.

 

[pauldun170]

Honda 1100XX - 07

It's not a nice bike to ride, i kinda hate it because it has a temper that makes me go "oh YEAH, well we'll see ABOUT THAT BITCH!"

It's especially nice when the turbo glips at 6000 in the middle of pulling out of a curve...

It's an evil bike, never buy one, it's not fun to drive, it's fucking ridiculous is what it is, buy something with a sweet calm temper, like a Hayabusa or something like that.

Almost bought one but ended up with zx11 instead. Right now I ride a cbr1000rr. Zx11 is still in the garage though. Blackbird still a nice ride

 

[Incorruptible]

They elected Hamas because they actually did something for the locals like get medical supplies, community services and stuff governments are supposed to be doing for the populace. Unfortunately a lot of folks in Hamas are insane. At least so I hear.

All of hamas in insane since it is a terrorist group who wants the destruction of Israel and Jews

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Almost bought one but ended up with zx11 instead. Right now I ride a cbr1000rr. Zx11 is still in the garage though. Blackbird still a nice ride

It's not a nice ride at all, the rev ranges are a fucking disaster because the turbo doesn't deliver evenly.

Going 180 and there is a lot more to give is dangerous as fuck because they didn't think of nutters like me who will try...

The rr is like the tamed horse version of the 1100XX, the Hayabusa is like riding a zebra to the market in comparison, this bike is NOT one that i should have because i will eventually kill myself on it...

I'm of the opinion that if it can be done it should be done and that attitude and that bike doesn't mix. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone, it's a horrible bike that is utterly unpredictable and will go past 200MPH with ease.

And i will keep it and drive it forever.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

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JOS you must be confused and totally delusional if you think, that I as an American citizen, I ever supported the GWB&co invasion of Iraq?

I don't think that, you're not that insane, only spidey007 is that insane...

In every population... there is ONE.

We had Blair.

 

[buckshot24]

Next time we execute a terrorist we should wrap them up in bacon and parade them around New York.

Mmmm, bacon.

lol

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

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JOS you must be confused and totally delusional if you think, that I as an American citizen, I ever supported the GWB&co invasion of Iraq?

After than you and I differ totally on mid-east issues.

You crazy man JOS if you think Israel can sustain itself by trying to alienate 300 million angry Arabs simply by assuming Uncle sucker will always back them no matter how stupid they act? 300 millions against only 6.5 Israeli Jews????????????????

Even the founding father of Israel in David ben Gurion realized, once Israel reached the point of being able to defend itself, it was time to switch gears and make friends in the Arab Neighborhood.

Lots of nations through history played the same cards, and where are they now? Where is Rome, where are the Japs, where is the Hitler you somehow think I worship, and may I add where are you Brits and other former colonial powers? Pardon me if I don't want to see the USA go down the same toilet you Brits have already gone down.

Ok, credit where credit is due...

I did not expect you to reply sensibly to me and acknowledge that perhaps Jews are not the sole force for evil in this world because you sure as fuck has acted like it enough to make me just skim your posts that all ended with the same conclusion, it's the Jews fault.

Can you listen to me and understand what i have to say? Can you understand that if you look back through my posting history i have laid out the attacks before they happened and reported the consequences before they were reported.

I am not some fucked up Jew with a superiority complex, that is a part i play to fuck with some people but in reality i am a well informed person who understands most of this conflict and disregards everything that is more than three years old because so do the nations.

SO, after thousands of rockets Israel had it...

It's that fucking simple and tell me with a straight face that they should just let Hamas continue to bomb their civilian population without consequences.

Yeah, i doubt you can, i doubt you even thought your stance through.

 

[randomrogue]

Interesting. They are throwing rocks at the Israelis, then act all outraged because the guy shot him.

I was about to say that it's amazing how some people perceive a video that clearly shows a mob of people throwing rocks at a few people with guns. If I was the Israelis I would have shot too. I don't understand why people get surprised at the reaction. If you don't want to get shot don't show up with a mob throwing rocks.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I was about to say that it's amazing how some people perceive a video that clearly shows a mob of people throwing rocks at a few people with guns. If I was the Israelis I would have shot too. I don't understand why people get surprised at the reaction. If you don't want to get shot don't show up with a mob throwing rocks.

It's "unproportional" Kind of like if you shoot someone running at you with a knife screaming that he wants to kill you... don't shoot him, that'd be unproportional violence.


Just let him stab you and die there or you're a bad man.

It's so fucking stupid that i can't make heads or tails of the arguments FOR the terrorists.

 

[Whiskey16]

Before Iraq the US was held in high regard in Western Europe
..
It was what made the US the nation of stupid people, that you believed in that shit, that you actually pissed away all the worlds support you had for absolutely NOTHING.

Do you know the technical definition of a nation who disregards international laws to pursue interests not justified? A rogue nation.

John, to be accurate, you'd be best to count along in you Brits, Danes, and...we cannot forget Poland...etc.

Criminal rogue states -- the lot of ya for committing to the high crime of international war of aggression. High internalional crimes such as Israeli criminal extraterritorial expansion -- even sanctioned against as such by multiple passed UN Security Council resolutions.

John, out of personally biased jingoism, you do clearly seem to pick and neglect just who is guilty crimes upon international law and who is not.

As the US is guilty in Iraq, so is your UK for the same act, and that of Israel upon Palestine.

Pragmatically objective, you certainly are not.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

John, to be accurate, you'd be best to count along in you Brits, Danes, and...we cannot forget Poland...etc.

Criminal rogue states -- the lot of ya for committing to the high crime of international war of aggression. High internalional crimes such as Israeli criminal extraterritorial expansion -- even sanctioned against as such by multiple passed UN Security Council resolutions.

John, out of personally biased jingoism, you do clearly seem to pick and neglect just who is guilty crimes upon international law and who is not.

As the US is guilty in Iraq, so is your UK for the same act, and that of Israel upon Palestine.

Pragmatically objective, you certainly are not.

No, you really don't since the conditions were "with us or against us" clearly stated, well except for the UK but we got rid of Blair as fast as possible.

NOT ONE of us believed in it, every government had to go except the US and if he could be running still he'd be running still and you'd swallow like a nice little twat.

I hate it more than you know...

We owned the land and gave it up for a two state solution, it's WORLD RECOGNIZED territory and if you say that doesn't matter we want our colony BACK. Give us the land, it's ours.

 

[Lemon law]

Ok, credit where credit is due...

I did not expect you to reply sensibly to me and acknowledge that perhaps Jews are not the sole force for evil in this world because you sure as fuck has acted like it enough to make me just skim your posts that all ended with the same conclusion, it's the Jews fault.

Can you listen to me and understand what i have to say? Can you understand that if you look back through my posting history i have laid out the attacks before they happened and reported the consequences before they were reported.

I am not some fucked up Jew with a superiority complex, that is a part i play to fuck with some people but in reality i am a well informed person who understands most of this conflict and disregards everything that is more than three years old because so do the nations.
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To JOS the dumb, who forgets to ask why Israel is in the Gaza strip in the first place, long past their legitimate 1948 borders to the North? As it never occurs to JOS that Hamas has the right to resists Israeli domination, and if Israel would simply quit trying to dominate the people of Gaza, the people of Gaza, would quit firing rockets into Israel.

But no Bozo Netanyuhu does not wants peace, they want to dominate all their neighbors. And to let their crazed settler parties continue steal all their neighbors land.

And what has that wondrous strategy bough for the people of Israel? And that answer is 64 years of continued Arab resistance, terrorism, and greater hatred. Back in the good ole days when the Palestinian people had only rocks and bottles to fight with, Israel could safely ignore it. Now that the Arab world has better technology, its only a matter of time before Israel will be facing far more serious threats than mere rocks and bottles.

As a viable Palestinian State is Israel's only hope for long term survival. As it is, the second Uncle sucker quits vetoing UN resolutions against Israel, the full force of international law will fall on Israel.

I don't know about you JOS, but I would rather see a win win win softer landing for all concerned in the mid-east. As Israelis and Arabs work together to solve their common problems. Problems common to all nations in the region, namely a lack of water and how to better develop the new found energy resources that lie off shore in the entire region.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ok, credit where credit is due...

I did not expect you to reply sensibly to me and acknowledge that perhaps Jews are not the sole force for evil in this world because you sure as fuck has acted like it enough to make me just skim your posts that all ended with the same conclusion, it's the Jews fault.

Can you listen to me and understand what i have to say? Can you understand that if you look back through my posting history i have laid out the attacks before they happened and reported the consequences before they were reported.

I am not some fucked up Jew with a superiority complex, that is a part i play to fuck with some people but in reality i am a well informed person who understands most of this conflict and disregards everything that is more than three years old because so do the nations.
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To JOS the dumb, who forgets to ask why Israel is in the Gaza strip in the first place, long past their legitimate 1948 borders to the North? As it never occurs to JOS that Hamas has the right to resists Israeli domination, and if Israel would simply quit trying to dominate the people of Gaza, the people of Gaza, would quit firing rockets into Israel.

But no Bozo Netanyuhu does not wants peace, they want to dominate all their neighbors. And to let their crazed settler parties continue steal all their neighbors land.

And what has that wondrous strategy bough for the people of Israel? And that answer is 64 years of continued Arab resistance, terrorism, and greater hatred. Back in the good ole days when the Palestinian people had only rocks and bottles to fight with, Israel could safely ignore it. Now that the Arab world has better technology, its only a matter of time before Israel will be facing far more serious threats than mere rocks and bottles.

As a viable Palestinian State is Israel's only hope for long term survival. As it is, the second Uncle sucker quits vetoing UN resolutions against Israel, the full force of international law will fall on Israel.

I don't know about you JOS, but I would rather see a win win win softer landing for all concerned in the mid-east. As Israelis and Arabs work together to solve their common problems. Problems common to all nations in the region, namely a lack of water and how to better develop the new found energy resources that lie off shore in the entire region.

I was wrong....

You really are nothing but nazi scum.

My apologies for mistaking you for a sane human being, it will not happen again.

This war will end when the terrorism ends.

 

[Whiskey16]

The Palestinian people are not a nation...

No, they are a nation as it takes the people to define themselves as such... A state is only defined as a political entity.

and Israel does not recognize the Palestinians as a nation. If the Palestinians were a nation, Israel would have to recognize them as a nation with human rights and the right of self determination.

As far as rights to self-determination:

Charter of the United Nations: Article I:

2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

The objective for self-determination by Palestine is not a point that Israel may legally nor morally block.

As per human rights:

United Nations Declaration of Human Rights

• without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
• Article 9
  • No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
• Article 13
  • (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
  • (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
• Article 15
  • (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
  • (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
• Article 17
  • (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

 

[rommelrommel]

"and if Israel would simply quit trying to dominate the people of Gaza, the people of Gaza, would quit firing rockets into Israel"

Pipe dream. As was stated Hamas's stated goal is the elimination of Israel as an entity.

Not going to get into everything as this is way too complicated of a situation but Hamas is deeply complicit in continuing the conflict. If Israel was to surrender and give them control over all territories that would be the end of Hamas's raison d'etre. As long as power is held by extremists on both sides we're not going to see a lasting peaceful solution.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, they are a nation as it takes the people to define themselves as such... A state is only defined as a political entity.



As far as rights to self-determination:



The objective for self-determination by Palestine is not a point that Israel may legally nor morally block.

As per human rights:

No EU nation nor US or Canada will recognize if and so it will not happen.

EVERY western nation has explained that it understands that Israels rights for self defence are part of international law. Ban Ki Moon has stated as much and there is the UN making it's call.

So, no.

IN a word, NO.

I hope Israel does the job right and kill them all, there is no good terrorist that isn't a dead terrorist and that goes for the LOT of them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

"and if Israel would simply quit trying to dominate the people of Gaza, the people of Gaza, would quit firing rockets into Israel"

Pipe dream. As was stated Hamas's stated goal is the elimination of Israel as an entity.

Not going to get into everything as this is way too complicated of a situation but Hamas is deeply complicit in continuing the conflict. If Israel was to surrender and give them control over all territories that would be the end of Hamas's raison d'etre. As long as power is held by extremists on both sides we're not going to see a lasting peaceful solution.

Israel de-occupied Gaza and gave all the land back, tearing down hundreds of settlements in the process, hamas immediatly used the regained area to perpetrate rocket attacks against civilian targets.

THAT is a mistake Israel won't make again. Giving land back = more agression closer to home, won't happen EVER again.

Hamas stated goal is the eradication of Israel, nothing less, they need to be dead, every last one of them or there isn't anything to even negotiate about.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Wow, enough with the Nazy talk. Thats pretty much the worst ad hominem you can bathe in.

Heres a little FYI...

Just because someone exposes all the evil shit Israel does -- and believe me, there is tons of it -- doesn't mean someone endorses Hamas terrorists attacks, Jew extermination, or other brain dead crap.

The problem is when people come in here posting things about one side -- and one side only pretty much -- in an attempt to dehuminize one party in a conflict.

EDIT: And I missed your last post Jon. You really need to do more research on this, You are waayyyy off the mark.

 

[Zorkorist]

The problem is not you and I talking about the problem, the problem IS the problem, fuck face mooseandsquirell.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The best solution I have heard so far is the Jews leave and come to the U.S.

All the fucking Arabs pray to some structure in what was Jerusalem.

-John

 

[Whiskey16]

Israel de-occupied Gaza and gave all the land back, tearing down hundreds of settlements in the process, hamas immediatly used the regained area to perpetrate rocket attacks against civilian targets.

A cognitive disconnect. Israel withdrew from one region of Palestine to increase the illegal expansion and colonisation of a more appealing region.

THAT is a mistake Israel won't make again. Giving land back = more agression closer to home, won't happen EVER again.

You are being thoroughly dishonest. On the balance, Israel uses its military to continue to displace other Palestinians and foster more Zionist colonisation (the most accurate word) upon more Palestinian territory in the West Bank. That is the Israeli state's continuation of aggression. That is a high international crime.

So no, Israel did not cease, but maintained the policy and extra-territorial expansion upon Palestine.

Now, Hamas is brutal and its military wing has lengthy lists of crimes to its members. Yet, as Palestinians, that military wing is but one of many insurgent groups against the occupying and blockading external state. If Israel ever withdraws back within its borders, then it removes the moral and legal pretense to react against it as Israel being the aggressor.

Hamas stated goal is the eradication of Israel, nothing less, they need to be dead, every last one of them or there isn't anything to even negotiate about.

Do you include all those who also voted for Hamas? All of Gaza? Where do you draw the line for such massacre dreams? Please, you're not another criminally inclined and genocidal extremist at AnandTech, are you? Plenty of threads and recent posts that are clear upon such intent.

John, do you support fellow forum member calls to eradicate the Palestinians as obstacles to greater Zionism? Or as a man proclaiming to be well versed and respectful of international law, will you go on the record here and in those threads to soundly condemn such vitriolic hate and instigation?

We should certainly recall such sentiments expressed last century against our own brethren, John. A nice pretense for rallying the nation to extra-territorial expansion and the displacement of other people, then too. The sad irony..

 

[Zorkorist]

Ya'll gay Israel vs. Arab, Judaism, vs Islam, or Christianity...

realize how funny you look to the rest of us?

The rest of us, should make sure that Religion, goes nowhere near Government.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

And by that, I think it's pretty obvious, that we should attack the fucking Islam states, and fix them by installing a constitution that has a "Freedom from Religion" amendment.

-John