Activists set up Police - Fake grow house in Odessa TX

[Xavier434]

If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
What a stupid waste of time and resources. Nothing useful can come of this, all the cops have to say is that they got an anonymous tip and they acted accordingly. Done.

I wonder if the "anonymous tip" said that the was heavily armed he would have been shot dead? Anonymous tips are bullshit fallback excuses.

Yeah, sometimes they are, but they are also a fundamental part of how the police does their job, they are very much needed. In scenarios like this though, it gives them an easy "out" that can't be verified.

Next time you cut me off in traffic, I'll find out where you live and report your pot growing operations. Hope you don't have a family dog...

Good point. Anonymous tips should have to have some sort of corroborating evidence before the police start busting down doors.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

You don't see any problem with cops faking evidence? Because they had no legal right to get a search warrant soley based on a tip and FLIR. You have to have direct evidence of an illegal activity, of which clearly they had none. The only crime committed was by the POLICE!

As a previous poster mentioned, maybe we should just start all calling in anonymous tips on people we don't like and get their dogs shot, since that's all you need for cops to manufacture evidence and break into your house.

 

[musicman64]

If anyone's curious about the dog thing - I think the case everyone's alluding to is the DC suburb mayor - here's a minor update:

http://www.gazette.net/stories...lnew173737_32476.shtml

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Power Consumption or neighbours reporting suspiscious activity are the most likely reasons.

That's at least a questionable assumption in this case. The cops busted the sting house less than 24 hours after they turned on the grow lights.

The trap was set and less than 24 hours later, the Odessa narcotics unit raided the house only to find KopBuster's attorney waiting under a system of complex gadgetry and spy cameras that streamed online to the KopBuster's secret mobile office nearby.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Farang
7 years for nothing.. disgusting

Once again, just because people say stuff on a video doesn't make it true. Maybe she did get hosed? Maybe she was selling drugs? We don't know, do we?

If I consider smoking pot doing nothing then its safe to assume I don't care if she was selling it either

Haha, well yeah I completely agree that pot should be legal in the first place. Don't know what she sold or didn't sell though.

Originally posted by: jpeyton
HAHAHAHA :laugh:

Stupid cops got exposed.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: sandorski

Power Consumption or neighbours reporting suspiscious activity are the most likely reasons.

That's at least a questionable assumption in this case. The cops busted the sting house less than 24 hours after they turned on the grow lights.

The trap was set and less than 24 hours later, the Odessa narcotics unit raided the house only to find KopBuster's attorney waiting under a system of complex gadgetry and spy cameras that streamed online to the KopBuster's secret mobile office nearby.

Don't confuse them with facts

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Xavier434
If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

You don't see any problem with cops faking evidence? Because they had no legal right to get a search warrant soley based on a tip and FLIR. You have to have direct evidence of an illegal activity, of which clearly they had none. The only crime committed was by the POLICE!

As a previous poster mentioned, maybe we should just start all calling in anonymous tips on people we don't like and get their dogs shot, since that's all you need for cops to manufacture evidence and break into your house.

You obviously know that I don't believe that. I would be a lunatic otherwise. I think that the tricky part in these kinds of situations is what qualifies as enough evidence to be granted a search warrant. I don't specifically know what qualifies in that state and I am not 100% certain what the exact process is to be granted the warrant. Being that is the case, I really think it may be premature to blame the police here. The real blame, if any is warranted (no pun intended ), might lie within those who grant the warrants or the rules/laws/regulations which allow said warrants to be granted and those may require amendments. The police in cases like these might just be the peons doing their job in the manner which they are instructed. Who knows? We would need a lot more information.

Keep in mind that I am not necessarily supporting either side here. I am just trying to point out that in many of these cases there is more to the story and one should be more critical when assigning blame. Personally, I am not a fan of how our legal system handles marijuana and do believe that any form of law enforcement which abuses their privileges should be subject to punishment.

 

[Arkaign]

These guys are f*&king awesome. Hopefully they keep showing the hypocrisy, corruption, and general lack of respect for constitutional rights and due process that exemplifies so many of our law enforcement agencies nationwide.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Xavier434
If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

You don't see any problem with cops faking evidence? Because they had no legal right to get a search warrant soley based on a tip and FLIR. You have to have direct evidence of an illegal activity, of which clearly they had none. The only crime committed was by the POLICE!

As a previous poster mentioned, maybe we should just start all calling in anonymous tips on people we don't like and get their dogs shot, since that's all you need for cops to manufacture evidence and break into your house.

You obviously know that I don't believe that. I would be a lunatic otherwise. I think that the tricky part in these kinds of situations is what qualifies as enough evidence to be granted a search warrant. I don't specifically know what qualifies in that state and I am not 100% certain what the exact process is to be granted the warrant. Being that is the case, I really think it may be premature to blame the police here. The real blame, if any is warranted (no pun intended ), might lie within those who grant the warrants or the rules/laws/regulations which allow said warrants to be granted and those may require amendments. The police in cases like these might just be the peons doing their job in the manner which they are instructed. Who knows? We would need a lot more information.

Keep in mind that I am not necessarily supporting either side here. I am just trying to point out that in many of these cases there is more to the story and one should be more critical when assigning blame. Personally, I am not a fan of how our legal system handles marijuana and do believe that any form of law enforcement which abuses their privileges should be subject to punishment.

Fair enough - it was your "what cops normally do" that gave your first post a tinge of...acceptance? Of course, it might be what cops normally do, but I hope most have better ethics than to fabricate evidence. Sadly I may be wrong...

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Xavier434
If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

You don't see any problem with cops faking evidence? Because they had no legal right to get a search warrant soley based on a tip and FLIR. You have to have direct evidence of an illegal activity, of which clearly they had none. The only crime committed was by the POLICE!

As a previous poster mentioned, maybe we should just start all calling in anonymous tips on people we don't like and get their dogs shot, since that's all you need for cops to manufacture evidence and break into your house.

And what direct evidence do you have that the police committed any illegal activity? The only evidence that I saw was a video of a search warrant being served.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Xavier434
If you are purposely trying to set up a situation which is supposed to look like a crime is taking place and is intended to attract cops then why should it be surprising that the cops show up and do what they normally do?

Don't get me wrong. I see why this guy did what he did, but I just think it is dumb. Nothing good will come out of this other than his quick 15 minutes.

You don't see any problem with cops faking evidence? Because they had no legal right to get a search warrant soley based on a tip and FLIR. You have to have direct evidence of an illegal activity, of which clearly they had none. The only crime committed was by the POLICE!

As a previous poster mentioned, maybe we should just start all calling in anonymous tips on people we don't like and get their dogs shot, since that's all you need for cops to manufacture evidence and break into your house.

And what direct evidence do you have that the police committed any illegal activity? The only evidence that I saw was a video of a search warrant being served.

I don't have any direct evidence but I don't need any, I'm not obtaining a search warrant I'm just connecting the dots. But as I mentioned, if all they had was an anonymous tip...that might be enough evidence to get FLIR. If they get FLIR, that's still not enough for a search warrant...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Xavier434
You obviously know that I don't believe that. I would be a lunatic otherwise. I think that the tricky part in these kinds of situations is what qualifies as enough evidence to be granted a search warrant. I don't specifically know what qualifies in that state and I am not 100% certain what the exact process is to be granted the warrant. Being that is the case, I really think it may be premature to blame the police here. The real blame, if any is warranted (no pun intended ), might lie within those who grant the warrants or the rules/laws/regulations which allow said warrants to be granted and those may require amendments. The police in cases like these might just be the peons doing their job in the manner which they are instructed. Who knows? We would need a lot more information.

Keep in mind that I am not necessarily supporting either side here. I am just trying to point out that in many of these cases there is more to the story and one should be more critical when assigning blame. Personally, I am not a fan of how our legal system handles marijuana and do believe that any form of law enforcement which abuses their privileges should be subject to punishment.

Fair enough - it was your "what cops normally do" that gave your first post a tinge of...acceptance? Of course, it might be what cops normally do, but I hope most have better ethics than to fabricate evidence. Sadly I may be wrong...

Allow me to make it perfectly clear since we are just a hair away from being on the same page as it is. First, I have no clue what the cops in that town or Texas in general "normally" do. However, what I do know is that I have lived in towns where what cops "normally" do is corrupt, abusive, and just shitty over all for the community. Needless to say, I do not approve whether that kind of behavior is normal or not.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
What a stupid waste of time and resources. Nothing useful can come of this, all the cops have to say is that they got an anonymous tip and they acted accordingly. Done.

I wonder if the "anonymous tip" said that the was heavily armed he would have been shot dead? Anonymous tips are bullshit fallback excuses.

They are only "bullshit ballback excuses" when you personally don't agree with what one in particular was used for. Anonymous tips are real and help in many cases.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
What a stupid waste of time and resources. Nothing useful can come of this, all the cops have to say is that they got an anonymous tip and they acted accordingly. Done.

I wonder if the "anonymous tip" said that the was heavily armed he would have been shot dead? Anonymous tips are bullshit fallback excuses.

They are only "bullshit ballback excuses" when you personally don't agree with what one in particular was used for. Anonymous tips are real and help in many cases.

Sure they are, if they are followed up with real, honest law enforcement.

Although personally, I think they should be treated differently than a...um..un-anonymous tip? They should require much more care and dillegence as obviously they can be used for abuse.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

lol, I love these types of things. It brings out the cop haters so they can dance around the cookie stroking their dicks telling their victim stories about how bad cops are.

Granted, there are some crocked cops but it's hilarious how you angst filled little kiddies take a couple incidences and try to paint with a broad brush. IMO, you need to grow up and realize shit's not fair. No, it doesn't excuse the actions of a few but maybe it'll help you realize that most aren't corrupt.

stroke on....

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, I love these types of things. It brings out the cop haters so they can dance around the cookie stroking their dicks telling their victim stories about how bad cops are.

Granted, there are some crocked cops but it's hilarious how you angst filled little kiddies take a couple incidences and try to paint with a broad brush. IMO, you need to grow up and realize shit's not fair. No, it doesn't excuse the actions of a few but maybe it'll help you realize that most aren't corrupt.

stroke on....

why do you hate America and the Bill of Rights Fourth Amendment?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, I love these types of things. It brings out the cop haters so they can dance around the cookie stroking their dicks telling their victim stories about how bad cops are.

Granted, there are some crocked cops but it's hilarious how you angst filled little kiddies take a couple incidences and try to paint with a broad brush. IMO, you need to grow up and realize shit's not fair. No, it doesn't excuse the actions of a few but maybe it'll help you realize that most aren't corrupt.

stroke on....

No, it doesn't.

What I think goes on a lot of the time is that cops have to put up with bad situations for too long and they end up becoming jaded and get the ends justify the means mentality. That, and overzealous douche bags who think that they are god.

This is not acceptable in such an important position in society. If the cops are not perceived to be fair, the whole society suffers. This perception will not be improved simply by finger waggling by the likes of you and others. If someone takes that job, they need to understand that its a job of sacrifice and that no matter how many difficult things they face, it is never ok to just bullshit your way into trying to catch people doing things. It is a job that requires honor to an extent that most men do not have, however, when they hire cops, they are not filtered appropriately. And subsequently, they are not filtered out later in their job for breaking the rules. They are supposed to uphold the law by example, not pointing the finger at others and telling them to uphold the law while illegally making arrests. It bugs the shit out of me that we live in a country where a simple leap in your electric bill can cause a raid to occur.

This also leads to why marijuana should be legal. It is harmful to society for it not to be. It is an unfair law that CREATES negativity towards the law. When human beings face unreasonable demands they do not simply just give up, they do what they want. Only now, they feel that the state is their enemy. Some don't like this approach and advocate a legalize first attitude. I think this is a bunch of bullshit. Waiting around for unreasonable people to make reasonable changes is a quite ignorant way of living. The double standard of legality of alcohol with marijuana being illegal is an embarrassing mark on our legal system as well as our country. There is little or no evidence that marijuana has such an adverse effect on society that it should be used as a means to take people's freedom away.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
There is little or no evidence that marijuana has such an adverse effect on society that it should be used as a means to take people's freedom away.

:thumbsup:

 

[halik]

How is that fake raid IN ANY WAY related to that chick getting arrested and allegedly set up?

 

[venkman]

Save the pot dealer, Save the world

 

[Zebo]

alchemize re: mexican mafia...Cops are typical govt workers. Lazy, don't care, go after easy tasks (busts). Main problem is they don't protect and serve anymore - even refusing to go into some neighborhoods - and have turned into a revenue generator for the state. Trust me I know lots of cops having sponsored a FOP golf tourney and even go hunting with some regularly many are freinds. Most can't even make across a pheasant field w/o huffing and puffing and I'm a lot older than they are the rest have a wild Erp mentality and won't hang out with anyone not a cop. In general they just want easy stuff to do and are under achievers.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: halik
How is that fake raid IN ANY WAY related to that chick getting arrested and allegedly set up?

It calls into question the ethics of the whole department if they are willing to skirt the law on a couple of grow lights.

 

[musicman64]

I almost forgot about this with the holiday and all that stuff...

Here's two of the more recent articles:
http://www.oaoa.com/news/raid_...l/rangers_bullock.html
http://www.oaoa.com/opinion/co....html/drug_odessa.html

Looks like the cops got an anonymous letter saying there was drug activity at that house.
Hrm, wonder who might have sent that lol - odd thing tho, it was funneled through a clergyman according to the article... weird..

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
What a stupid waste of time and resources. Nothing useful can come of this, all the cops have to say is that they got an anonymous tip and they acted accordingly. Done.

I wonder if the "anonymous tip" said that the was heavily armed he would have been shot dead? Anonymous tips are bullshit fallback excuses.

They are only "bullshit ballback excuses" when you personally don't agree with what one in particular was used for. Anonymous tips are real and help in many cases.

They certainly do but MORE evidence needs to be done before you bust into someone's house.