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Paratus said:
Anyone report yet on whether hopes and prayers were successful at deflecting bullets?

What about the border wall. How many did it save?

And what about the guns? Please tell me no guns were hurt in this incident.
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Its been three hours and the media has not reported on his color, which means he's anything except white.

😱

Thats right, I went there.
 
WelshBloke said:
No. You're just spewing non sequiturs all over yourself. It's time to get a napkin and clean yourself up.
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Individuals have a right to smoke tobacco, there are some restrictions in where you can do that, but millions of people enjoy this right despite the dire consequences to their health. In addition that liberty carries a cost to society in the form of second and third hand smoke exposure that kills tens of thousands of innocent people a year, many more than guns do. No one on the left or right is further limiting that, no one cares. This compared with guns makes it hard argument to keep further limiting our constitutionally protected rights to firearms, considering they do much less harm than other freedoms. I know you get the point but refuse to acknowledge it. Oh well. Emotions > logic to the left.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Individuals have a right to smoke tobacco, there are some restrictions in where you can do that, but millions of people enjoy this right despite the dire consequences to their health. In addition that liberty carries a cost to society in the form of second and third hand smoke exposure that kills tens of thousands of innocent people a year, many more than guns do. No one on the left or right is further limiting that, no one cares. This compared with guns makes it hard argument to keep further limiting our constitutionally protected rights to firearms, considering they do much less harm than other freedoms. I know you get the point but refuse to acknowledge it. Oh well. Emotions > logic to the left.
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Guns have nothing to do with tobacco. Tobacco has nothing to do with guns. Deaths due to either of them are not linked. You are an idiot. All these things are known facts. #Learntologic
 
WelshBloke said:
Guns have nothing to do with tobacco. Tobacco has nothing to do with guns. Deaths due to either of them are not linked. You are an idiot. All these things are known facts. #Learntologic
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Looking at it from a individual rights vs. cost to society standpoint. That makes sense when looking at restricting rights, as the anti-2A'ers continuously do.
 
Dulanic said:
No you're not. And being pro common sense gun laws isn't anti 2nd amendment. I own a gun and don't want to ban them.
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I'm for common sense regulation. That's fine. I'm not for feel good do nothing legislation like capacity limits, suppressor bans, the assault weapons ban, 5.56 ammo bans, etc. etc. Universal background checks? Sounds good, doesn't infringe on our rights. Those other things? Feel good do nothing nonsense that harms our rights.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Looking at it from a individual rights vs. cost to society standpoint. That makes sense when looking at restricting rights, as the anti-2A'ers continuously do.
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No. You quite obviously have no idea how to put together a logical argument to support whatever point it is you're trying to make.
 
WelshBloke said:
No. You quite obviously have no idea how to put together a logical argument to support whatever point it is you're trying to make.
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Why not?

We don't let people have atomic bombs, the cost to society if you could get order them off of Amazon is too great. We do let people smoke tobacco, there are restrictions in place, but we live with the reality that there is a high body count associated with it and we let that go. Guns do far less harm to society than tobacco, so why would we further limit that individual right while not caring about other bigger killers?
 
SlowSpyder said:
Why not?

We don't let people have atomic bombs, the cost to society if you could get order them off of Amazon is too great. We do let people smoke tobacco, there are restrictions in place, but we live with the reality that there is a high body count associated with it and we let that go. Guns do far less harm to society than tobacco, so why would we further limit that individual right while not caring about other bigger killers?
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We dont make the argument that people cant have atomic bombs because of something to do with tobacco.
We make the argument against atomic bombs on the strength of the argument against atomic bombs.
We make the argument against tobacco on the strength of the argument against tobacco.
We make the argument for gun control on the strength of the argument for gun control.

Do you really not understand how this works?
 
SlowSpyder said:
Why not?

We don't let people have atomic bombs, the cost to society if you could get order them off of Amazon is too great. We do let people smoke tobacco, there are restrictions in place, but we live with the reality that there is a high body count associated with it and we let that go. Guns do far less harm to society than tobacco, so why would we further limit that individual right while not caring about other bigger killers?
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We dont make the argument that people cant have atomic bombs because of something to do with tobacco.
We make the argument against atomic bombs on the strength of the argument against atomic bombs.
We make the argument against tobacco on the strength of the argument against tobacco.
We make the argument for gun control on the strength of the argument for gun control.

Do you really not understand how this works?
 
SlowSpyder said:
Why not?

We don't let people have atomic bombs, the cost to society if you could get order them off of Amazon is too great. We do let people smoke tobacco, there are restrictions in place, but we live with the reality that there is a high body count associated with it and we let that go. Guns do far less harm to society than tobacco, so why would we further limit that individual right while not caring about other bigger killers?
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I can't belive in going to say this... I can't go and cigarette someone in the head. As an ex smoker I have no issues with more restrictions around smoking around kids etc. But again, different topic.
 
why not ignore, or at least not respond to, the derailing troll?

this thread is about what appears to be a "disgruntled employee" of some sort, we still don't know the motivation or cause.

all i have heard so far is he had a handgun with a laser scope. it doesn't sound like he had any semi auto rifles, which makes the odds of survivors significantly higher.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Today alone over 100 innocent people will die as victims of second hand smoke. They don't get a news story though, and the left doesn't care about those lives, just those that further their political position. No threads for those people, no white knight champion Democrat politicians talking about those people, no media coverage. A shooting though and the propaganda machine is self starting today.
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Why does it have to a Democrat to champion this? If you care so much call your cosevatard Congress person and let them know you care and it’s a national emergency.
 
If you want to be safe from violence thanks to your guns, violent incidents like this are the price you must pay. At least that's NRA logic.
 
WelshBloke said:
No. You quite obviously have no idea how to put together a logical argument to support whatever point it is you're trying to make.
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What's also amusing is that he thinks he has this ace in hole retort with this smoking bit, and no matter how many times he tries it, it doesn't work. Ever. With anyone.

But in his mind he's owning the libs daily...
 
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