ACORN - some interesting news bits

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Mani
I'm very familiar with the Ohio case. The allegations were voter registration fraud, evidencing - you guessed it - exactly how poorly run ACORN is. ACORN pays according to number of registrations collected. It has no process to verify them. So you got people getting Batman and Darth Vader registered to vote. At the end of the day, Batman and Darth can't vote, so this isn't some massive conspiracy to get the dems in office. It's paid collectors knowing they get 30 cents per card filled out, and simply filling out the cards. Once again, walk into an office and then try to convince yourself these people got Obama elected.

Just kindly answer these question:

Would you trust ACORN to handle the 2010 census?

Do you believe ACORN should be receiving millions annually, and now potentially billions of dollars in taxpayer monies?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Mani
I'm very familiar with the Ohio case. The allegations were voter registration fraud, evidencing - you guessed it - exactly how poorly run ACORN is. ACORN pays according to number of registrations collected. It has no process to verify them. So you got people getting Batman and Darth Vader registered to vote. At the end of the day, Batman and Darth can't vote, so this isn't some massive conspiracy to get the dems in office. It's paid collectors knowing they get 30 cents per card filled out, and simply filling out the cards. Once again, walk into an office and then try to convince yourself these people got Obama elected.

Just kindly answer these question:

Would you trust ACORN to handle the 2010 census?

Do you believe ACORN should be receiving millions annually, and now potentially billions of dollars in taxpayer monies?

Why not? Because a no nothing blowhard complains about them?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

I'm very familiar with the Ohio case. The allegations were voter registration fraud, evidencing - you guessed it - exactly how poorly run ACORN is. ACORN pays according to number of registrations collected. It has no process to verify them. So you got people getting Batman and Darth Vader registered to vote. At the end of the day, Batman and Darth can't vote, so this isn't some massive conspiracy to get the dems in office. It's paid collectors knowing they get 30 cents per card filled out, and simply filling out the cards. Once again, walk into an office and then try to convince yourself these people got Obama elected.

Who said anything about conspiracies to get Obama elected ?
I never mentioned voter fraud or Obama.
I said they are a front for getting money illegally . I don't care about who they want to get elected. What I do care about is somebody putting on the front of a charitable organization who serves the community while they bilk the taxpayers out of millions.

The court filing is with the justice department over embezzlement and laundering of money not about voter fraud.
http://www.acorn-8.net/PDFs/USAttComp.pdf

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Mani
I love how the right wing is trying to create a conspiracy around a poorly organized outfit like ACORN. I can't believe anyone is still talking about this. So the fuck what if they used a former funeral home as a mail drop? We had billions of dollars disappear without a trace in Iraq - where's the faux outrage over spent tax dollars there from Glenn? This guy is a clown out to get ratings by drumming up false controvery, and people like you are eating it up.

ACORN is anything but poorly organized.

They have a highly sophisticated organizational structure. The purpose of that can be debated, but the sophistication cannot. Nor can the usual purposes of such a structure - concealment. We see this a lot in taxation, yet rarely, if ever, to this extreme extent.

Long before Glenn Beck became interested in ACORN data on them has been available, as well as speculation on the purpose of their structure etc. Their structure does allow them to accept federal money, albeit not directly and therefore not in their name. IMO, a damn clever bunch.

Fern

I'm very familiar with ACORN's intentionally obscured structure and questionable relationship with CCI. But don't confuse the executive board and the organization itself. There's no question the EB has set things up well to keep themselves in the background and launder money.

But this does not mean they are operationally organized. I'm referring to the bulk of the accusations against it over the last 12 months - voter fraud, rigging elections, etc. Most of ACORN's daily activities are driven by ideology, are very poorly organized and its operational management structure is fundamentally incapable of perpetuating half the crimes they are accused of.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Mani
I'm very familiar with the Ohio case. The allegations were voter registration fraud, evidencing - you guessed it - exactly how poorly run ACORN is. ACORN pays according to number of registrations collected. It has no process to verify them. So you got people getting Batman and Darth Vader registered to vote. At the end of the day, Batman and Darth can't vote, so this isn't some massive conspiracy to get the dems in office. It's paid collectors knowing they get 30 cents per card filled out, and simply filling out the cards. Once again, walk into an office and then try to convince yourself these people got Obama elected.

Just kindly answer these question:

Would you trust ACORN to handle the 2010 census?

Do you believe ACORN should be receiving millions annually, and now potentially billions of dollars in taxpayer monies?

1. The census as it is has been poorly conducted. I honestly don't care who handles it at this point.

2. Not unless the executive board is given the scrutiny they deserve and CCI opens up their books.

Don't confuse me with an ACORN supporter. I'm just musing on how GB has you all in a tizzy about this. If you are pissed about ACORN, you should be having a heart attack over farm subsidies or the billions we spend on sweetheart deals to Boeing on unneeded "upgrades". There are FAR FAR more significant wastes of taxpayer dollars worth getting pissed over, republicans just tend to gloss over the most gross ones for ideological reasons.

 

[NeoV]

"The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation."

This

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[rudder]

ACORN gets $5 in taxpayer dollars while funding for hydrogen cars gets cut. I should have voted for Obama!

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: NeoV
"The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation."

This

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it works to the GOP party's advantage to keep the hate level up on things like ACORN.

its just their modus operandi

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Ah yes, the rightwing smear-job to portray an organization like Acorn as the next SPECTRE.

I think what ACORN is, is a front for collecting money from taxpayers while pretending to be a organization that helps the community.

Anybody who says otherwise than the above is obviously a biased liberal who is blinded by his or her hatred of the last admin!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

 

[NeoV]

Are we now talking about Haliburton or ACORN?

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Are we now talking about Haliburton or ACORN?

ACORN. Try to keep up.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

Nice diversion but irrelevant. The topic is ACORN.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

Nice diversion but irrelevant. The topic is ACORN.

And the point is that ACORN is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Try to keep up.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

I'm not talking about other organizations because the topic says, well ACORN.
Who says I also don't keep up with other charities ? I didn't realize it was an either or situation.


I don't give a damn about Glenn Beck. Like I said, I rarely watch the guy. Just like a lot of others you can't discuss something without it having to be about republicans or democrats and anyone talking about anything has to have an agenda. Talk about pranoid.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

Nice diversion but irrelevant. The topic is ACORN.

And the point is that ACORN is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Try to keep up.

Irrelevant because you say so ?
Glad we have you watching out for the taxpayers !

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

So we should just ignore them because nobody else has brought up the topic ? Who says I also don't keep up with other charities ? I didn't realize it was an either or situation.


I don't give a damn about Glenn Beck. Like I said, I rarely watch the guy. Just like a lot of others you can't discuss something without it having to be about republicans or democrats and anyone talking about anything has to have an agenda. Talk about pranoid.

If you don't care for Glenn Beck then you should probably start questioning why he has decided to take up a crusade against ACORN. With him, it's ENTIRELY about politics. He chose to pick on ACORN precisely because they are associated with democrats, and he's preying on people like you to get riled up, give him the ratings he wants, and spread the word. I have to say he's succeeded.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

The majority of consternation over ACORN comes from RWers saying they perpetuated voter fraud - that is why Glenn Beck decided to put them in his crosshairs. Fact is, there are hundreds, even thousands of orgs like ACORN taking taxpayer money for questionable/ shady causes (see "faith based" initiatives, massive money wells in Iraq... the list goes on and on) - my original point was that ACORN ranks pretty low on the scale, and the only reason republicans are riled up about them is because of its perceived political affiliation.

They stand to have access to billions of dollars. I don't give a damn about the politics involved. Just the fact that we are giving them access to billions of dollars without asking what they are doing with what they have already received.

Why then are you not asking this question of the innumerable other organizations or special interests who "stand to have access" to billions of dollars, or who do already and are flushing it down the toilet?

I'm guessing it's because Glenn Beck hasn't told you to yet.

Nice diversion but irrelevant. The topic is ACORN.

And the point is that ACORN is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Try to keep up.

Irrelevant because you say so ?
Glad we have you watching out for the taxpayers !

No, irrelevant because they are not even a drop in the well of wasteful spending.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

So we should just ignore them because nobody else has brought up the topic ? Who says I also don't keep up with other charities ? I didn't realize it was an either or situation.


I don't give a damn about Glenn Beck. Like I said, I rarely watch the guy. Just like a lot of others you can't discuss something without it having to be about republicans or democrats and anyone talking about anything has to have an agenda. Talk about pranoid.

If you don't care for Glenn Beck then you should probably start questioning why he has decided to take up a crusade against ACORN. With him, it's ENTIRELY about politics. He chose to pick on ACORN precisely because they are associated with democrats, and he's preying on people like you to get riled up, give him the ratings he wants, and spread the word. I have to say he's succeeded.

See that is where we are different. You watch something like Glenn Beck and immediately discredit the guy without even listening. I listen and after I check the facts I decide for myself. I give everyone the benefit of saying what they want to say. I don't discredit them because I don't like the persons sex, who they voted for, or what other people think .

I don't care what his agenda is. It is irrelevant to me. I take the information he gave about ACORN just like I would a news link on a web page. I read it, then check the facts for myself.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani



No, irrelevant because they are not even a drop in the well of wasteful spending.

So exactly what is the dollar amount when something becomes relevant ?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

So we should just ignore them because nobody else has brought up the topic ? Who says I also don't keep up with other charities ? I didn't realize it was an either or situation.


I don't give a damn about Glenn Beck. Like I said, I rarely watch the guy. Just like a lot of others you can't discuss something without it having to be about republicans or democrats and anyone talking about anything has to have an agenda. Talk about pranoid.

If you don't care for Glenn Beck then you should probably start questioning why he has decided to take up a crusade against ACORN. With him, it's ENTIRELY about politics. He chose to pick on ACORN precisely because they are associated with democrats, and he's preying on people like you to get riled up, give him the ratings he wants, and spread the word. I have to say he's succeeded.

See that is where we are different. You watch something like Glenn Beck and immediately discredit the guy without even listening. I listen and after I check the facts I decide for myself. I give everyone the benefit of saying what they want to say. I don't discredit them because I don't like the persons sex, who they voted for, or what other people think .

I don't care what his agenda is. It is irrelevant to me. I take the information he gave about ACORN just like I would a news link on a web page. I read it, then check the facts for myself.

No, I discredit Glenn Beck because he is intellectually dishonest, distorts facts, and chooses battles based on ideology rather then using a frank assessment of injustice. The difference between you and me is that I've been listening to him long enough to know what he's about.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani



No, irrelevant because they are not even a drop in the well of wasteful spending.

So exactly what is the dollar amount when something becomes relevant ?

No set dollar amount, but I think it's safe to focus on something at least in the top 10.

If someone truly cared about government waste, which GB does not otherwise he'd have mentioned it a single thing on it, they would be LIVID about this list, and ACORN would not even be an afterthought.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
See that is where we are different. You watch something like Glenn Beck and immediately discredit the guy without even listening. I listen and after I check the facts I decide for myself. I give everyone the benefit of saying what they want to say. I don't discredit them because I don't like the persons sex, who they voted for, or what other people think .

I don't care what his agenda is. It is irrelevant to me. I take the information he gave about ACORN just like I would a news link on a web page. I read it, then check the facts for myself.

You checked the facts for yourself?

Please explain why there are buildings where you claimed there wasn't (in your OP)?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Modelworks

So we should just ignore them because nobody else has brought up the topic ? Who says I also don't keep up with other charities ? I didn't realize it was an either or situation.


I don't give a damn about Glenn Beck. Like I said, I rarely watch the guy. Just like a lot of others you can't discuss something without it having to be about republicans or democrats and anyone talking about anything has to have an agenda. Talk about pranoid.

If you don't care for Glenn Beck then you should probably start questioning why he has decided to take up a crusade against ACORN. With him, it's ENTIRELY about politics. He chose to pick on ACORN precisely because they are associated with democrats, and he's preying on people like you to get riled up, give him the ratings he wants, and spread the word. I have to say he's succeeded.

See that is where we are different. You watch something like Glenn Beck and immediately discredit the guy without even listening. I listen and after I check the facts I decide for myself. I give everyone the benefit of saying what they want to say. I don't discredit them because I don't like the persons sex, who they voted for, or what other people think .

I don't care what his agenda is. It is irrelevant to me. I take the information he gave about ACORN just like I would a news link on a web page. I read it, then check the facts for myself.

No, I discredit Glenn Beck because he is intellectually dishonest, distorts facts, and chooses battles based on ideology rather then using a frank assessment of injustice. The difference between you and me is that I've been listening to him long enough to know what he's about.

You cannot distort facts, that would make it a lie.
You only want to discuss Beck's motive and not the issue of ACORN itself so I am done replying to you unless you want to discuss the organization.