ACLU Monitors Minutemen on the Border

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Big guns in the hands of men with small cocks and an inferiority complex... the US is safer already.
If these people could recognize the most serious threat to America they would be patrolling Washington DC not the border.

ZING

Next time I am in oz I got a :beer: for you

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
They are wasting the Border Patrols precious budget, equipment utilization, and manpower just by playing macho.

Paranoid, Biggot, Racist, 'Merika - Damn tootin' Bubba.

ACLU as as much right as any Neo-Nazi Hate Organization to 'Observe' - and call authorities as they see fit.

God, what a pinheaded society we have cowered our selves to be. "Mr. Gorbochov, Tear Down This Wall . . .
We need to rebuild your wall along our Mecican Border."

Isolationist Supremists - GOP Home of the New Klan - the Nixon 'Southern Strategy' just as planned, for your amusement.

That's pretty much my reaction to the Minutemen too, however they certainly have every right to be out there as long as no laws are broken. I mean, I see it as a sort of political protest -- and hey, if you asked them, the minuteman probably aren't real fond of Bush's proposed "guest worker" program either.

In any event, the ACLU is also within their rights to be there.. I mean why question their rights but not the minuteman's rights to assemble as they wish. And for the minutemen, they likely have more to worry about beyond the ACLU. I mean, they just gotta know they're on the FBI's radar who are most likely investigating and infiltrating their org.

The attachment of potentially radicalized racists to the cause probably just sweetens the honey pot.

 

[Theb]

This is horrible, no one should be allowed to watch the minutemen.

If anyone is seriously concerned about what the ACLU is up to down there you should form a group to go down and keep an eye on them.

Personally I would be more concerned about the people who might go down there to monitor the ACLU. I might form a group to go down to the border and watch the people who are watching the ACLU watch the Minutemen.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Theb
This is horrible, no one should be allowed to watch the minutemen.

If anyone is seriously concerned about what the ACLU is up to down there you should form a group to go down and keep an eye on them.

Personally I would be more concerned about the people who might go down there to monitor the ACLU. I might form a group to go down to the border and watch the people who are watching the ACLU watch the Minutemen.

While a bunch of immigrants wander through the insanity of americans pointing fingers at each other and shake their heads in confusion. Loco gringos!

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Big guns in the hands of men with small cocks and an inferiority complex... the US is safer already.
If these people could recognize the most serious threat to America they would be patrolling Washington DC not the border.

ZING

Next time I am in oz I got a :beer: for you

How come people who are Democrats act like complete jerks? Some people want to secure the border and you're commenting on their penis size. Yeah real good zinger, you should do stand up.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Big guns in the hands of men with small cocks and an inferiority complex... the US is safer already.
If these people could recognize the most serious threat to America they would be patrolling Washington DC not the border.

ZING

Next time I am in oz I got a :beer: for you

How come people who are Democrats act like complete jerks? Some people want to secure the border and you're commenting on their penis size. Yeah real good zinger, you should do stand up.

Why do you assume I am a democrat? ohhh your ignorant, defending the new kkk ahh, got it, whats new?

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
How come people who are Democrats act like complete jerks?

As opposed to Republicans who cheer on the death and destruction America delivers in the rest of the world? Hmmmm cracks about penis size or complete disregard for 30,000 dead civillians in Iraq. I wonder which is more tasteless?

BTW, I am no Democrat... Democrats and Republicans are merely different heads on the same rotten snake... neither have the interests of the American people in mind IMHO.

 

[Xcobra]

Originally posted by: bayou
From the link you posted:

So illegals with a criminal record have rights in the US also? I don't think the ACLU should be involved either. It is, after all, the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union. Illegal immigrants are here illegally and are not Americans.

Actually they are Americans too, they live in America (in case you failed geography).... :disgust:

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
still wondering why its the aclu monitoring the minutement...


also, to my knoweldge, hasn't been a single incident of violence reported concerning these minutement. their policy is actually not to even make contact with the illegals, not even to talk to them, only to call into the border patrol and give them the location of the border violations as they occur. only the border patrol makes actual contact with the tresspassors.

Why? What's wrong with the ACLU monitoring these groups?

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Why do you assume I am a democrat? ohhh your ignorant, defending the new kkk ahh, got it, whats new?

To call people the new KKK because they want to secure the border. That's saddening. In truth some of them may not like Mexican's because of their skin color, others might genuinely care about America. Either way they are trying to help secure our border, a job that needs to be done.

I don't understand the elitism.

Originally posted by: Xcobra

Actually they are Americans too, they live in America (in case you failed geography).... :disgust:

He was obviously referring to the United States of America.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Amplifier


I don't understand the elitism.

I don't understand the racist fearmongering, why do some americans feel they must be scared and scapegoat the poorest whenever the sh1t hits the fan?

 

[bayou]

Originally posted by: Xcobra

Originally posted by: bayou
From the link you posted:

So illegals with a criminal record have rights in the US also? I don't think the ACLU should be involved either. It is, after all, the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union. Illegal immigrants are here illegally and are not Americans.

Actually they are Americans too, they live in America (in case you failed geography).... :disgust:

From the ACLU site, ABOUT US:
"The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.

Majority power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights, which consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus the three post-Civil War amendments (the 13th, 14th and 15th) and the 19th Amendment (women's suffrage), adopted in 1920.

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
We work also to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including Native Americans and other people of color; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgendered people; women; mental-health patients; prisoners; people with disabilities; and the poor."

Do you see anything about Mexicans anywhere in these statements? Nope I never failed geography. Last time I checked Mexican citizens who are illegal aliens are not citizens of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Mexico is Mexico, it's not North, South, or Central America. Why do you think there is something called a BORDER?
Maybe you should study up on some geography. :roll: :disgust:

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Sorry I don't have a link, watched it on Fox News last night on Special Report.

The Minutemen have rallied together again to monitor the Mexico/US border, they're watching for Mexicans trying to cross over illegally into the country. As usual, the border patrol was grateful for their assistance.

Oh Really?


Further down in your link

"Maheda says agents also have to worry about protecting Minutemen from violent crossers. He says 18,000 caught in the last six months have criminal records in the U.S."


man and thats what they caught, 18,000 ... I could only guess at the figures of how many more convicted criminals are flooding over. Not good

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I thought it was the job of local law enforcement to take care of crime, not the ACLU?

I thought it was the job of the Border Patrol to tke care of illegal immigration, not the Minutemen?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Genx87

I thought it was the job of local law enforcement to take care of crime, not the ACLU?

Any more so for the Border Patrol taking care of the situation, and it's none of the Minitmens' business how a branch of the US Enforcement operates either.

lmao did you just say that? Who funds the border patrol? The US effing taxpayer, that is who. They have every right to and it is their and our business how the border patrol operates.

They are wasting the Border Patrols precious budget, equipment utilization, and manpower just by playing macho.

I dont really buy it.

Paranoid, Biggot, Racist, 'Merika - Damn tootin' Bubba.

lmao paranoid much?

ACLU as as much right as any Neo-Nazi Hate Organization to 'Observe' - and call authorities as they see fit.

God, what a pinheaded society we have cowered our selves to be. "Mr. Gorbochov, Tear Down This Wall . . .
We need to rebuild your wall along our Mecican Border."

You must have lost what little of your mind is left. The Soviets erected a wall to keep the people in dumbo, not keep them out.

Isolationist Supremists - GOP Home of the New Klan - the Nixon 'Southern Strategy' just as planned, for your amusement.

Your ignorance is amazing as nobody is talking about stopping legal immigration, instead people are talking about illegal immigration.

duh!

They are named after the freakin original san diego KKK border group "The minutemen" in the 30's, no they arent racist, no of course the national front isnt aligned with them and trot out nazi flags with them at protests latley, sure.

in right wing rhetoric world up is clearly not up and the minutemen are just there to "protect" us.

lmao

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They have every right to and it is their and our business how the border patrol operates.

If that's the case we citizens should know exactly how the Pentagon operates.

 

[Xcobra]

Originally posted by: bayou


Do you see anything about Mexicans anywhere in these statements? Nope I never failed geography. Last time I checked Mexican citizens who are illegal aliens are not citizens of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Mexico is Mexico, it's not North, South, or Central America. Why do you think there is something called a BORDER?
Maybe you should study up on some geography. :roll: :disgust:

Dont be such an ignorant, North, Central AND South America ARE America...so reconsider who failed geography...

Here read this if you still dont believe.... Text

 

[bayou]

Your link to wikipedia is for the AMERICAS. Again you are wrong. Do people from Canada identify themselves as Americans? Do Hondurans or Mexicans? No!

The illegals are not citizens of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. What planet are you from? Get a life. You would be an excellent cabinet member of the mcowen administration.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bayou
Your link to wikipedia is for the AMERICAS. Again you are wrong. Do people from Canada identify themselves as Americans? Do Hondurans or Mexicans? No!

Actually I have been corrected a few times about saying that, canadians mexicans and even south americans do label themselves as such.

"I am from the 'States" is the correct term or a US citizen from what I have seen.

If you are overseas "I am canadian" is the safest route nowdays for yanks.

 

[Zebo]

Go troll stormfront and national alliance forums, there you will find the minutemen.

Absolutly true. random link

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=283055&highlight=minutemen

Honestly I feel A LOT of posters here would fit in very well at stromfront just browsing around the last 10 minutes or so. Highly right wing and at least they have the courage to call "them" ****** and spics unlike those who hide here with euphamisms and never actually say so in public. Same theme different language.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Why do you assume I am a democrat? ohhh your ignorant, defending the new kkk ahh, got it, whats new?

To call people the new KKK because they want to secure the border. That's saddening. In truth some of them may not like Mexican's because of their skin color, others might genuinely care about America. Either way they are trying to help secure our border, a job that needs to be done.

I don't understand the elitism.

Originally posted by: Xcobra

Actually they are Americans too, they live in America (in case you failed geography).... :disgust:

He was obviously referring to the United States of America.

How do you know what the hell they are doing down there? It's a bunch of guys operating on their own, outside of normal law enforcement. Maybe they're doing the best they can in securing the borders, maybe they're a bunch of racists using illegal immigration as an excuse to rough up Mexicans. Without organizations doing what the ACLU is doing, we have nothing to go on but what the Minutemen tell us. Yeah, and maybe they are solid citizens doing what the border patrol won't...but maybe they aren't. It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: Todd33

It's not a job....

I consider it more of a hobby myself

Are the white pointy hoods optional?

LOL

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: Todd33

It's not a job....

I consider it more of a hobby myself

Are the white pointy hoods optional?

LOL

You guys joke, and it IS kind of funny, but really, do we know that's not what's going on? Without some kind of oversight, it could be honest Americans or the grand-dragons of the KKK down there.

 

[Zebo]

Yes I agree and with your last post.. independant monitoring to protect civil liberties is always a good thing. Don't even know where the pin head OP and his ilk is coming from. Well i do they want phalynx turrets set up to make a grease spot of anyone crossing the border but midlight lynchings will have to do for now. Damn ACLU getting in the way.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
God, what a pinheaded society we have cowered our selves to be. "Mr. Gorbochov, Tear Down This Wall . . .
We need to rebuild your wall along our Mecican Border."

The difference is that the proposed wall along the Southern border would be intended to keep people out whereas the Berlin Wall was intended to lock people in.

Huge difference. Get it?

I take it that in your view it would be perfectly OK if we opened up the borders and 50 million impoverished people came to the U.S. next year, inflicting tremendous costs on Americans and resulting in the destruction of the job markets for the poor and lower-middle class?

Impoverished Americans--you'd like that, wouldn't you?

Wrong! The biggest threat to Americas lower class is people living in slave labor conditions who will work for $100 a month and the poliicans who allow these products in and sweetheart deals made with thier oppressive rulers. Their is no "orginal distribution" of labor.

Immigrants and thier employers have to follow the very generous labor laws we have in these United States so it's a far better deal than importing. Made here, spent here, enriching communities here.