ACLU And DoJ Outing CIA Agents

BarrySotero

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The ACLU and others were showing photos of CIA agents to the angelic detainees at Guantanamo. In some cases the photos were "surreptitiously taken outside their homes."


The Washington Post recently wrote about this:

"If detainees at the U.S. military prison in Cuba are tried, either in federal court or by a military commission, defense lawyers are expected to attempt to call CIA personnel to testify.

The photos were taken by researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, to support military counsel at Guantanamo Bay, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry. It was unclear whether the Justice Department is also examining those organizations... government investigators are now looking into whether the defense team went too far by allegedly showing the detainees the photos of CIA officers, in some cases surreptitiously taken outside their homes. "


Detainees Shown CIA Officers' Photos
Justice Dept. Looking Into Whether Attorneys Broke Law at Guantanamo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...0/AR2009082004295.html


Seems that once again Obama was full of gas when he said:

"There is nothing more important than protecting the identities of CIA officers. So I need everybody to be clear: We will protect your identities and your security as you vigorously pursue your missions."

Barack Obama at CIA headquarters, April 2009.

Looks like the joke is on them



The Wall Street Journal Wrote about the hypocrisy of outing CIA agents after all the liberal Sturm and Drang over Valerie Plame.


Once upon a time, Valerie Plame Wilson was a hero to liberals everywhere, a covert CIA operative whose cover was blown by a vindictive Bush administration out to ruin its critics. Today, liberals within government and without are betraying covert CIA operatives as if it were the very essence of virtue...

Consider Attorney General Eric Holder's decision Monday to investigate and potentially prosecute about a dozen previously closed cases involving alleged detainee abuse by CIA officers or contractors... The 2004 CIA report on which Mr. Holder based his decision says that the most damaging allegations are "too ambiguous to reach any authoritative determination regarding the facts"...


What's nearly certain, however, is that the names of the agents will soon become a part of the public record, either directly or through leaks that the liberal press will have no scruple about printing. Last year, for instance, the New York Times published the name of a CIA officer who interrogated 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. This was despite the protests of the officer and the CIA that to identify him would "put him at risk of retaliation from terrorists or harassment from critics of the agency," as the Times put it in an editor's note.


The pictures, some of which were "taken surreptitiously outside [the CIA officers'] homes," were gathered by an outfit called the John Adams Project, jointly sponsored by the ACLU and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. The Project seeks to identify the interrogators to serve as witnesses if and when their clients are tried in federal court or by military commissions. "We are confident that no laws or regulations have been broken," ACLU executive director Anthony Romero told the Post.


He's got to be kidding. The Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, the law endlessly invoked in Mrs. Wilson's case, specifically proscribes anyone "in the course of a pattern of activities" from seeking to expose the identity of covert agents "to any individual not authorized to receive classified information." Equally plain is the penalty: "fined under Title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

In a 2006 letter to this newspaper, Sen. John Kerry approvingly quoted former president George H.W. Bush's "admonition that those who expose our agents are 'the most insidious of traitors.'"

Liberals have never liked the CIA, except when it suited their partisan purposes. That's fine: There's much not to like about the agency, and the U.S. might well be better off without its bungled operations and laughable intelligence estimates. But having shouted themselves hoarse over Mrs. Wilson, their enthusiasm for this new round of outing is a bit unseemly. Especially when lives are actually at stake. Especially when a liberal president has pledged to protect those lives."


http://online.wsj.com/article/...74370311712840406.html


Now I can see why Obama said he was reading "John Adams" on vacation. Get your hip waders ready for a flash flood of BS about the "founding promise of America" and "doing what is right even when its difficult".
 

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Our idiotic policies on interrogation, and intelligence collection in general, make our agencies a laughing stock amongst the intelligence community. Of course, the rest of the world supports the actions our foolish DoJ is taking because they know it will weaken our capabilities. Everyone knows this.
 

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Our idiotic policies on interrogation, and intelligence collection in general, make our agencies a laughing stock amongst the intelligence community. Of course, the rest of the world supports the actions our foolish DoJ is taking because they know it will weaken our capabilities. Everyone knows this.

If you don't like our policies on interrogation and intelligence collection, change the law. Until you do this, we follow what the law requires.

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.
 

theflyingpig

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Our idiotic policies on interrogation, and intelligence collection in general, make our agencies a laughing stock amongst the intelligence community. Of course, the rest of the world supports the actions our foolish DoJ is taking because they know it will weaken our capabilities. Everyone knows this.

If you don't like our policies on interrogation and intelligence collection, change the law. Until you do this, we follow what the law requires.

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.

These laws were made to satisfy fools, and should be ignored. Thankfully, these investigations will dead-end soon, and nothing more will come of it. The machine will continue to chug along just as it always has.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Our idiotic policies on interrogation, and intelligence collection in general, make our agencies a laughing stock amongst the intelligence community. Of course, the rest of the world supports the actions our foolish DoJ is taking because they know it will weaken our capabilities. Everyone knows this.

If you don't like our policies on interrogation and intelligence collection, change the law. Until you do this, we follow what the law requires.

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.

These laws were made to satisfy fools, and should be ignored. Thankfully, these investigations will dead-end soon, and nothing more will come of it. The machine will continue to chug along just as it always has.

And people who ignore the law do so at their own peril. Advocate ignoring the law all you want, but don't whine when those that do so pay for it. Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow.

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.
 

BarrySotero

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"Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow."

Your mean like Eric "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Holder letting club wielding militants off on voter intimidation charges for no reason?



"Holder's Black Panther Stonewall"
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
"Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow."

Your mean like Eric "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Holder letting club wielding militants off on voter intimidation charges for no reason?



"Holder's Black Panther Stonewall"
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

because everybody knows black guys always get off. duh.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
"Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow."

Your mean like Eric "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Holder letting club wielding militants off on voter intimidation charges for no reason?



"Holder's Black Panther Stonewall"
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

Uhmm, sure? I'm not a fan of people ignoring the law no matter who it is. Since you are so concerned about the US upholding all of its laws, surely you agree with Obama enforcing US anti torture statutes if it is found that CIA agents violated the law, right?

Oh wait, you're a paranoid delusional.
 

BarrySotero

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Holder himself has already testified that an act itself is not torture unless their is intent to injure. Navy Seals are water-boarded as part of training and it's not torture. Seals are also thrown into pools with their hands behind their back as part of BUDS training. The fear of drowning causes one third of candidates to drop out. Detainees went through water-boarding to get information that saved lives (LA) and not merely to cause harm. The facts are libs are only interested in some terrorists life because it supports their resentment of Bush etc.


Holder on Waterboarding ? Proving It's Not Torture While Insisting It Is [Andy McCarthy]

At Human Events, Connie Hair excerpts some on Eric Holder's, er, interesting testimony on waterboarding (among other things) yesterday before the House Judiciary Committee, thanks to some terrific questioning by Committee Republicans:

[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department?s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view water-boarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department?s position that Navy SEALS subjected to water-boarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it?s not torture in the legal sense because you?re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we?re trying to do is train them ?

Lungren: So it?s the question of intent?

Holder: Intent is a huge part.

Lungren: So if the intent was to solicit information but not do permanent harm, how is that torture?

Holder: Well, it? uh? it? one has to look at... ah? it comes out to question of fact as one is determining the intention of the person who is administering the water-boarding. When the Communist Chinese did it, when the Japanese did it, when they did it in the Spanish Inquisition we knew then that was not a training exercise they were engaging in. They were doing it in a way that was violative of all of the statutes recognizing what torture is. What we are doing to our own troops to equip them to deal with any illegal act ? that is not torture."


... Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), a former judge, continued the ?intent? line of questioning in an attempt to make some sense of the attorney general?s tortured logic.

Rep. Louie Gohmert: Whether water-boarding is torture you say is an issue of intent. If our officers when water-boarding have no intent and in fact knew absolutely they would do no permanent harm to the person being water-boarded, and the only intent was to get information to save people in this country then they would not have tortured under your definition, isn?t that correct?

Attorney General Eric Holder: No, not at all. Intent is a fact question, it?s a fact specific question.

Gohmert: So what kind of intent were you talking about?

Holder: Well, what is the intention of the person doing the act? Was it logical that the result of doing the act would have been to physically or mentally harm the person?

Gohmert: I said that in my question. The intent was not to physically harm them because they knew there would be no permanent harm ? there would be discomfort but there would be no permanent harm ? knew that for sure. So, is the intent, are you saying it?s in the mind of the one being water-boarded, whether they felt they had been tortured. Or is the intent in the mind of the actor who knows beyond any question that he is doing no permanent harm, that he is only making them think he?s doing harm.

Holder: The intent is in the person who would be charged with the offense, the actor, as determined by a trier of fact looking at all of the circumstances. That is ultimately how one decides whether or not that person has the requisite intent"

Nobody is going to be able to say a CIA lawyer or an agent following orders did what they did specifically to harm a head-chopping terrorist type. It could never be proven beyond any doubt. There will be no convictions but LOTS of damage to CIA and America (not that Obama or Holder will care)

http://corner.nationalreview.c...ljZjNkNDY1YTE1YmVhMDU=
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Holder himself has already testified that an act itself is not torture unless their is intent to injure. Navy Seals are water-boarded as part of training and it's not torture. Seals are also thrown into pools with their hands behind their back as part of BUDS training. The fear of drowning causes one third of candidates to drop out. Detainees went through water-boarding to get information that saved lives (LA) and not merely to cause harm. The facts are libs are only interested in some terrorists life because it supports their resentment of Bush etc.


Holder on Waterboarding ? Proving It's Not Torture While Insisting It Is [Andy McCarthy]

At Human Events, Connie Hair excerpts some on Eric Holder's, er, interesting testimony on waterboarding (among other things) yesterday before the House Judiciary Committee, thanks to some terrific questioning by Committee Republicans:

[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department?s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view water-boarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department?s position that Navy SEALS subjected to water-boarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it?s not torture in the legal sense because you?re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we?re trying to do is train them ?

Lungren: So it?s the question of intent?

Holder: Intent is a huge part.

Lungren: So if the intent was to solicit information but not do permanent harm, how is that torture?

Holder: Well, it? uh? it? one has to look at... ah? it comes out to question of fact as one is determining the intention of the person who is administering the water-boarding. When the Communist Chinese did it, when the Japanese did it, when they did it in the Spanish Inquisition we knew then that was not a training exercise they were engaging in. They were doing it in a way that was violative of all of the statutes recognizing what torture is. What we are doing to our own troops to equip them to deal with any illegal act ? that is not torture."


... Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), a former judge, continued the ?intent? line of questioning in an attempt to make some sense of the attorney general?s tortured logic.

Rep. Louie Gohmert: Whether water-boarding is torture you say is an issue of intent. If our officers when water-boarding have no intent and in fact knew absolutely they would do no permanent harm to the person being water-boarded, and the only intent was to get information to save people in this country then they would not have tortured under your definition, isn?t that correct?

Attorney General Eric Holder: No, not at all. Intent is a fact question, it?s a fact specific question.

Gohmert: So what kind of intent were you talking about?

Holder: Well, what is the intention of the person doing the act? Was it logical that the result of doing the act would have been to physically or mentally harm the person?

Gohmert: I said that in my question. The intent was not to physically harm them because they knew there would be no permanent harm ? there would be discomfort but there would be no permanent harm ? knew that for sure. So, is the intent, are you saying it?s in the mind of the one being water-boarded, whether they felt they had been tortured. Or is the intent in the mind of the actor who knows beyond any question that he is doing no permanent harm, that he is only making them think he?s doing harm.

Holder: The intent is in the person who would be charged with the offense, the actor, as determined by a trier of fact looking at all of the circumstances. That is ultimately how one decides whether or not that person has the requisite intent"

Nobody is going to be able to say a CIA lawyer or an agent following orders did what they did specifically to harm a head-chopping terrorist type. It could never be proven beyond any doubt. There will be no convictions but LOTS of damage to CIA and America (not that Obama or Holder will care)

http://corner.nationalreview.c...ljZjNkNDY1YTE1YmVhMDU=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
"Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow."

Your mean like Eric "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Holder letting club wielding militants off on voter intimidation charges for no reason?



"Holder's Black Panther Stonewall"
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

Uhmm, sure? I'm not a fan of people ignoring the law no matter who it is. Since you are so concerned about the US upholding all of its laws, surely you agree with Obama enforcing US anti torture statutes if it is found that CIA agents violated the law, right?

Oh wait, you're a paranoid delusional.


Let's start with the White House.
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
"Only a complete fool would promote a system in which the branch charged with enforcing the law would decide what laws it wanted to follow."

Your mean like Eric "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Holder letting club wielding militants off on voter intimidation charges for no reason?



"Holder's Black Panther Stonewall"
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

What's your obsession with the Black Panthers, Klanman? Afraid your daughter is going to get jungle fever?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Holder himself has already testified that an act itself is not torture unless their is intent to injure. Navy Seals are water-boarded as part of training and it's not torture. Seals are also thrown into pools with their hands behind their back as part of BUDS training. The fear of drowning causes one third of candidates to drop out. Detainees went through water-boarding to get information that saved lives (LA) and not merely to cause harm. The facts are libs are only interested in some terrorists life because it supports their resentment of Bush etc.


Holder on Waterboarding ? Proving It's Not Torture While Insisting It Is [Andy McCarthy]

At Human Events, Connie Hair excerpts some on Eric Holder's, er, interesting testimony on waterboarding (among other things) yesterday before the House Judiciary Committee, thanks to some terrific questioning by Committee Republicans:

[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department?s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view water-boarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department?s position that Navy SEALS subjected to water-boarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it?s not torture in the legal sense because you?re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we?re trying to do is train them ?

Lungren: So it?s the question of intent?

Holder: Intent is a huge part.

Lungren: So if the intent was to solicit information but not do permanent harm, how is that torture?

Holder: Well, it? uh? it? one has to look at... ah? it comes out to question of fact as one is determining the intention of the person who is administering the water-boarding. When the Communist Chinese did it, when the Japanese did it, when they did it in the Spanish Inquisition we knew then that was not a training exercise they were engaging in. They were doing it in a way that was violative of all of the statutes recognizing what torture is. What we are doing to our own troops to equip them to deal with any illegal act ? that is not torture."


... Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), a former judge, continued the ?intent? line of questioning in an attempt to make some sense of the attorney general?s tortured logic.

Rep. Louie Gohmert: Whether water-boarding is torture you say is an issue of intent. If our officers when water-boarding have no intent and in fact knew absolutely they would do no permanent harm to the person being water-boarded, and the only intent was to get information to save people in this country then they would not have tortured under your definition, isn?t that correct?

Attorney General Eric Holder: No, not at all. Intent is a fact question, it?s a fact specific question.

Gohmert: So what kind of intent were you talking about?

Holder: Well, what is the intention of the person doing the act? Was it logical that the result of doing the act would have been to physically or mentally harm the person?

Gohmert: I said that in my question. The intent was not to physically harm them because they knew there would be no permanent harm ? there would be discomfort but there would be no permanent harm ? knew that for sure. So, is the intent, are you saying it?s in the mind of the one being water-boarded, whether they felt they had been tortured. Or is the intent in the mind of the actor who knows beyond any question that he is doing no permanent harm, that he is only making them think he?s doing harm.

Holder: The intent is in the person who would be charged with the offense, the actor, as determined by a trier of fact looking at all of the circumstances. That is ultimately how one decides whether or not that person has the requisite intent"

Nobody is going to be able to say a CIA lawyer or an agent following orders did what they did specifically to harm a head-chopping terrorist type. It could never be proven beyond any doubt. There will be no convictions but LOTS of damage to CIA and America (not that Obama or Holder will care)

http://corner.nationalreview.c...ljZjNkNDY1YTE1YmVhMDU=

I said I didn't ask for more crazy rantings.
 

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What's nearly certain, however, is that the names of the agents will soon become a part of the public record, either directly or through leaks that the liberal press will have no scruple about printing. Last year, for instance, the New York Times published the name of a CIA officer who interrogated 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. This was despite the protests of the officer and the CIA that to identify him would "put him at risk of retaliation from terrorists or harassment from critics of the agency," as the Times put it in an editor's note.


The pictures, some of which were "taken surreptitiously outside [the CIA officers'] homes," were gathered by an outfit called the John Adams Project, jointly sponsored by the ACLU and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
OK, that's all just completely fucked up and unacceptable.

Any member of the ACLU or the John Adams Project who has participated in the showing of these photos to detainees should be immediately tried on charges stemming from their blatant violations of the 1982 IIPA, period.

Any of you who support these actions and these groups' blatant attempts to out CIA officers to foreigners are fucking scum. And, for those of you who were angry/opposed to the outing of Valerie Plame, as I was, you should be just as angry, if not moreso, at these recent criminal actions. If you're not, then you're a fucking hypocrite.
 

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Originally posted by: rudder
All CIA interrogators should be jailed!!!!

:| Do they not know that second hand smoke can cause cancer??!??!?!?!
I really hope you're being sarcastic.

From the article:
The IG, however, was unable to clearly establish that the smoke-blowing was intended to force Nashiri to cough up what he knew about al-Qaida's plans.

LOL!! I'm sorry, but that's just too funny to ignore. :laugh:

Let me guess, now smoking during interrogations -- which, btw, can sometimes last 6 to 10 hours, or longer -- will be the next to get hit with the ban-stick?!

ridiculous.
 

DesiPower

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I agree with American Collective Looser Union and similar ppl that instead of harsh interrogation the same information may have been extracted in other ways and that we will never know if it was possible. But my point is atleast someone did the work, not every one was just sitting around (except of ACLU, they are not "just" sitting but sitting in dildos) and looking for a bureaucratic solution. some ppl got the job done and we are all still alive. NO attack inside US after 911 is a very big achievement and punishing pll is just unforgivable, its just an act of ppl who have nothing better to do.
We shud never forget that we are fighting an enemy who do not follow laws of war
 

BoomerD

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Of course, it was OK for Cheney and his criminal cabal to out Valerie Plame to further their interests...:roll:
 

thraashman

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
I agree with American Collective Looser Union and similar ppl that instead of harsh interrogation the same information may have been extracted in other ways and that we will never know if it was possible. But my point is atleast someone did the work, not every one was just sitting around (except of ACLU, they are not "just" sitting but sitting in dildos) and looking for a bureaucratic solution. some ppl got the job done and we are all still alive. NO attack inside US after 911 is a very big achievement and punishing pll is just unforgivable, its just an act of ppl who have nothing better to do.
We shud never forget that we are fighting an enemy who do not follow laws of war

There were no foreign terror attacks inside the US between the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and Sept 11 2001. So it seems for that 8½ years that not torturing worked too.

However if you count the hundreds upon hundreds of terror attacks that have happened against US persons outside the US since 9/11, then it seems that this torture technique is a gigantic fucking failure.

Part of the problem here lies in the fact that the people shown photographs would have already seen the people who tortured them. Then you've got to wonder if indeed these CIA agents were covert, because otherwise how would the people who took the photos know who they were? It does sound a bit like bully tactics too. I find it sick that we somehow will allow evidence against a person that we won't even let them see. This whole process of what we're doing to detainees is sickening and it's caused the side that's actually on the side of freedom and rights to begin to break down into improper procedures.

It's funny that when other countries take our citizens and prosecute them in a way we don't agree with, we freak out and insist we get them home. Yet then we kidnap people from their own country, hold them without trial for years, torture them, and when we finally do try them it's in a less democratic fashion than a country like North Korea would do. We're complete fucking hypocrits.
 

CLite

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
I agree with American Collective Looser Union and similar ppl that instead of harsh interrogation the same information may have been extracted in other ways and that we will never know if it was possible. But my point is atleast someone did the work, not every one was just sitting around (except of ACLU, they are not "just" sitting but sitting in dildos) and looking for a bureaucratic solution. some ppl got the job done and we are all still alive. NO attack inside US after 911 is a very big achievement and punishing pll is just unforgivable, its just an act of ppl who have nothing better to do.
We shud never forget that we are fighting an enemy who do not follow laws of war

Correlation does not mean Causation. The same retarded logic would be used if there was an attack post-torture era and everyone would stupidly say omgz without torture we get attacked. I just can't fanthom how so many people can be so cowardly when it comes to seeing boogey men behind every door.

However, while I'm completely agaisnt torture I do think if the article is true then the Justice department is not approaching this the right way.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
I agree with American Collective Looser Union and similar ppl that instead of harsh interrogation the same information may have been extracted in other ways and that we will never know if it was possible. But my point is atleast someone did the work, not every one was just sitting around (except of ACLU, they are not "just" sitting but sitting in dildos) and looking for a bureaucratic solution. some ppl got the job done and we are all still alive. NO attack inside US after 911 is a very big achievement and punishing pll is just unforgivable, its just an act of ppl who have nothing better to do.
We shud never forget that we are fighting an enemy who do not follow laws of war

Is this a parody post?
 

xj0hnx

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Detainees went through water-boarding to get information that saved lives (LA) and not merely to cause harm.

This information was supposedly given up by KSM after being waterboarded after his capture in 2003, the attack was foiled in 2002.